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I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the body... - 8/7/2011 9:42:37 PM   
Unkreative


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Status: offline 		Ok, the title has nothing to do with this post, nor is it really mine. I stole it from some random movie I saw because it made me chuckle. So there it is...

I've known for a while that movies and tv shows tend to affect me more than most as I typically project myself into the role of one of the characters on screen. This is one of the reasons that I refuse to watch movies that I know do not have the stereotypical happy ending. Being the idealist that I am means that the boy is always supposed to get the girl/boy he truly loves no matter what, the bad guy always gets his comeuppance (Yes, it's a word. Look it up!), and the good guy always wins, no matter what. When this doesn't happen in said movie/tv show, it leaves me feeling sad... almost depressed. Like my idealogical bubble has been popped and someone has just yanked me back down to Earth just to say, "Nope. Things don't really work out that way. Welcome to reality, Joe."

For years, I've tried to change this about myself hoping that somehow that by exposing myself to more and more of these reality checking films, I would somehow be made numb to the harsh truth that things rarely work out the way that I feel they should. Instead, I find myself watching them when nobody else is around and just simply crying at the unfairness of it all. Here I am... a 6'4", 220lbs mess of a man sobbing because some fictional character had his heart broken when it was clear that he was the one person in the world who truly deserved to be happy. Yes, I know that this probably goes against the Dom stereotype, but I'm still a romantic/idealist.

The latest example of this was tonight. We were watching this movie called 'Timer'. The premise behind this movie is that a company has developed a timer that is implanted in the wrist of an individual. This device has a display that counts down the number of days, minutes & seconds until you meet your true love. This of course is totally dependent on said true love have also bought into the idea of the timer and have it implanted in their wrist. Now, the main character (Ooma *pronounced like Uma*) in this story faces a rare dilemma of a blank timer. Her soul mate, whoever he or she is has yet to have a timer implanted.

Anyway, Uma, exasparated by her blank timer decides to throw caution to the wind and allows herself to fall for someone who has a timer that has already started it's countdown to true love meaning that it has already locked on to someone else. Of course, as Hollywood would have it, this guy is your typical underdog. He works as a checkout clerk at a local grocery store, has perfectly disheveled hair, is a drummer in a band... (Aren't they all?) As the viewer, you can't help but to be drawn in by his simple charm. Thus, making you wish that he gets everything he deserves.

Oh, but wait. This is Hollywood we're talking about here. And since tv and movie viewers LOVE splashes of "reality" thrown in their faces, this movie doesn't disappoint. At least, not THOSE people. In the end, the stupid bitch opts to go for the guy who's timer does eventually match up to hers... giving up the one guy who didn't care about any sort of guaranty when it came to love. He just took a chance on her. And got hurt.

The End.

I can't grasp this. Why can't life (and movies) all have happy endings for all concerned? Do we not suffer enough throughout everyday life for our love lives to be left wanting? It seems all too massochistic for me. (Which yes, I realize that some on this site are into... And Seinfeld said it, "Not that there's anything wrong with that.") Why when we deal with this shit day in and day out do we subject ourselves to the same exact thing on a device that for all intents and purposes is supposed to help us escape that reality in the first place?

Who knows? Definitely not me. I think it's time to pour myself a drink and then pour myself into bed.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:02:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		i've wondered that myself. =p there's a trend to move towards more "real" endings and such, and i guess it's part of the product of the philosophy that life is art, just as it is. even without happy endings. sometimes i also think that maybe there's just not so much optimism in the world anymore; i dunno -- that seems cynical. =p
i don't really get into "let down movies" for those reasons -- real life can be enough of a let down; i don't really see the point in sitting on the couch for 2 hours to watch something i could just experience by walking out my front door. =p
i had found a possibility for a happy ending in my own life, and it was taken away. so i just don't see how a silly movie can compare to that kind of emotion. it seems a little hollow and a little pointless.

so i generally prefer endings where things work out, because if i'm going to waste time, i'll waste it somewhere i don't live. =p i.e. not the real world.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:23:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		My thoughts exactly! It's like these movies are using the whole Romeo & Juliette premise. Maybe not exactly, but it's a tragic love story, blah blah blah. And it seems that some of the more popular movies of relatively modern days use this same theme.

****SPOILER ALERT****


* Titanic... Jack dies. "I'll never let go, Jack. I'll never let go." But then what does she do? SHE FREAKING LETS GO! Ok, I realize that she was meaning metaphorically, but I couldn't help myself.

* AI: Artificial Intelligence... David is abandoned in the bottom of the Hudson River for 2000 years.

* City of Angels... He gives up heaven for her. HEAVEN! And she dies. Seriously???

* Pay It Forward... Haley Joel Osment apparently loves playing the freaking victim. And we let him get away with it by buying more tickets to his crappy ending movies!

* P.S. I Love You... They ruin it in the first 5 minutes of the damn movie! UGH!

* Brokeback Mountain... Kind of bad movie to begin with but to end it with him being gay bashed??? Really?

*sigh*




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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:34:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		i think the happy endings are entertainment, a diversion, the crappy endings are art, they were made for a reason other than to make money. the bummer endings have a message, and what message you take away from them teaches you something about yourself. they're fucking fables, aesop for the modern age.
watching one of them isn't just a way to pass some time, it's an exercise in self awareness, like reading a poem or looking at a painting.

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:39:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		I mean, I can see your point. I still don't like it though. =0p heh.

****SPOILER ALERT****



I just got finished watching Sucker Punch and it was the same way. They had an opportunity to make it a happy ending and a really interesting and creative movie, but nope. Sad ending again.

I guess I'd just like to be able to watch a modern movie that leaves you feeling good inside without it having to have a Disney logo slapped all over it. I'm having to go back and rewatch my favorite classics/modern classics like Bringing Up Baby, Victor Victoria or Amelie just to cheer myself up again. lol. It's sad really.

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:41:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		well you could say sucker punch does have a happy ending; just not for the character you get to know the most. however, she does what she does to save another character, who goes on to be happy. 

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:49:57 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep

well you could say sucker punch does have a happy ending; just not for the character you get to know the most. however, she does what she does to save another character, who goes on to be happy. 



Ok, maybe Sucker Punch was a bad example because there was the whole heroine aspect... her saving her friend and all. But then you never really find out what happened to the step-dad. You assume that the police eventually found out what he did because they caught the one creepy guy at the asylum, but you don't REALLY know for sure. Ugh, maybe I just needed more closure in that one.

Wow, I just realized that my high-maintenance nature has apparently spilled out into the whole movie-going experience for me. lol. How's that for an epiphany?

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:53:20 PM   
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Wow, I just realized that my high-maintenance nature has apparently spilled out into the whole movie-going experience for me. lol. How's that for an epiphany?
What did Hanners say about learning something about yourself?

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:56:38 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

quote:

Wow, I just realized that my high-maintenance nature has apparently spilled out into the whole movie-going experience for me. lol. How's that for an epiphany?
What did Hanners say about learning something about yourself?


Haha, and now we've come full circle. =0)

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 10:58:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Gotta agree with Hannah. Happy endings, by and large, bother me for the same reason optimistic people usually tend to - they don't make sense with my comprehension of reality. It's akin to getting really close but not cumming, or better yet (to get technical) anorgasmic ejaculation - I get all built up to see the conclusion, and then it happens and pierces my suspension of disbelief so badly that it's like nothing was resolved at all and I'm left with cinematic blue balls.

The Abyss, the remake of Planet of the Apes, Taxi Driver, even Citizen Kane - all left me with the same feeling of "Oh come the fuck on with this shit." I watch films for the same reason I read books - to gain insight into the human condition. That doesn't always have to be sad, but some things are sad and making them end happy at the last second is cowardice. Don't get me wrong - there are happy endings that I love. The Matrix trilogy, Eternal Sunshine of a Spotless Mind, Across the Universe, all fantastic films, all happy endings (ok maybe Eternal Sunshine is more bittersweet, but work with me). They work because the happy ending makes sense. In a world which is defined by cruelty and deprivation happy endings only make sense under very specific circumstances, and usually only 'qualified' happy as opposed to the Disney-esque perfection I think the OP is looking for.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:04:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		art (films included) don't = human condition to me; they are a reflection of the person/people who made them, but not an overall examination of humanity, at least not to me. they're dealing with the maker's beliefs about humanity, or culture. the product is the maker's examination, but it's more about the maker than anything. we don't so much learn about ourselves, as we learn about each other. 

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:09:51 PM   
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art (films included) don't = human condition to me; they are a reflection of the person/people who made them, but not an overall examination of humanity, at least not to me. they're dealing with the maker's beliefs about humanity, or culture. the product is the maker's examination, but it's more about the maker than anything. we don't so much learn about ourselves, as we learn about each other. 


Mankind is a body of individuals, most of whom share a great deal with all the others. Even if we assume that a given work has nothing more to say about society than what it says about its creator, that insight is still valuable to someone studying the human race.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		i agree that it's valuable, but not in an over-arching "this is about humanity" sense, since value systems are very different among groups of people.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:15:09 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, I totally admit to wanting a Disney-esque ending... That's not because I can't deal with reality, but rather because for me tv, movies, books, etc... are an escape from all of the truths that we deal with everyday. I agree that some movies, like the Beauty and the Beast remake called Beastly totally appeal to the 14 year old girl demographic and have really transparent endings that make you kind of sigh in disbelief that people actually watch that dretch. (Yes, I know that I myself watched it, but that's beside the point.) If the majority of the movies with these sad or realistic endings actually qualified as "art" then I suppose I wouldn't be as upset about it. But they're not. They're simply crap. (In my opinion of course.)

Having said all of that, I know that there are people out there that would seriously question my taste in movies if they saw my collection. But come on, there are movies that sort of have sad endings but they kind of twist it so that it's not completely sad. Take Shaun of the Dead for instance... Ed gets bitten by zombies but holds them off so that Shaun and Liz can escape to safety. Now they could have simply let him be killed off by the swarm of military/police that come in to save the day at the last minute. But instead, Shaun gets to keep him as a pet of sorts in his garden shed. Where's the happy ending you ask? Ed and Shaun end up right back where they started at the beginning of the movie. Best friends playing XBox... I mean, you kind of have to look past the fact that Ed would prefer to be eating Shaun's brains, but I digress.

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:19:22 PM   
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Status: offline 		well what is "art" and what is "crap" is totally subjective. i spent a semester of philosophy yammering about it, coming to the conclusion that "nobody knows." =p
bad art is just as much art as good art.
i look at another painter's work to look at the techniques used and to see what was important to that person, but i also don't imagine those same things are important to everyone. and i reserve the right to avoid art i don't like in favor of art i do like when i want a pick-me-up.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:20:26 PM   
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we don't so much learn about ourselves, as we learn about each other. 
its your reaction to the movie or book that teaches you about yourself. by analyzing the message you get out of it you gain insight into yourself. why did it make me feel that way? why does it mean that to me? that sort of shit.

when we watch a movie, we discuss the fucker for ages afterwards, even if it was crappy. sometimes understanding why you didn't like a movie can be really fucking revealing. of course sometimes the reason you didn't like a movie is because it just fucking sucks.

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:21:27 PM   
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well what is "art" and what is "crap" is totally subjective. i spent a semester of philosophy yammering about it, coming to the conclusion that "nobody knows." =p
bad art is just as much art as good art.
i look at another painter's work to look at the techniques used and to see what was important to that person, but i also don't imagine those same things are important to everyone. and i reserve the right to avoid art i don't like in favor of art i do like when i want a pick-me-up.



I can totally agree with everything you said there as long as it's still ok for me to criticize it (it being the "art") on BDSM message boards. ;0)

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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:26:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		well yeah, the reaction teaches you about yourself, but the film itself doesn't. the film presents a premise, you mull it over and conclude; you teach yourself.
that's one of the jobs of art, since it doesn't really do a whole lot, while also doing quite a bit. =p

i enjoy talking about it because it's always fairly cyclical. like if you say "can music without lyrics convey meaning?" well then you have to decide what "meaning" is. and people derive "meaning" in a variety of ways; an instrumental piece can cause an emotional reaction which is "meaning" of a sort, at least to me.

in general that's just what art is; something we create and react to. it causes us to think in a very pointed way.


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:28:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not sure what films you're referring to specifically, so I can't say if I would agree that they aren't art. You mentioned Sucker Punch, which was art in my opinion. Overall I'd say probably 90% of what Hollywood puts out, whether happy or sad, can't see art through a telescope, so yeah.

Odd you should mention Beastly, I just watched it last night (I'm a sucker for fairy tales/myths/etc set in modern or futuristic times) and I honestly cannot believe how terrible that film was. I mean so, so bad. There is nothing you could have done with the ending that could have salvaged that mess. It's one of the first films I've seen in a long time that I legitimately wished I had my 2 hours back.

OOO another great example, speaking of things that I saw recently that were shit @spoiler alert@- the Adjustment Bureau. What the fuck? The super-human being that decides the fates of all mankind and doesn't believe in our ability to make our own decisions decided to just let them be together because, hey, they seemed to really want it? I'm betting LOTS of people really want to do things she forces them not to, what makes those two different??


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RE: I'll call you back, Mom. I have to dispose of the ... - 8/7/2011 11:29:38 PM   
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