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RE: Finding The Perfect Domme - 8/12/2011 5:05:19 AM   
ChatteParfaitt


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Okay, now we're getting down to the good stuff.

The problem you have here is that you've set up your view as the correct one.  Rather than simply accepting the existence of contradictory opinions and rather than taking comfort in the fact that this forum is dominated by a status quo to which you subscribe, you feel "duty bound" to shout down the only contradictory opinion to yours. 

The belief in male (or female) supremacy is not a mere opinion. It’s a belief system based on fantasy instead of fact. You can call the sky blue if you like and state it as an opinion, that doesn’t make the sky less blue and more green.  

Personally, I could care less what your fantasies are. But when you take them out to a public forum and announce them as the one true way, I have issues with it, b/c as I previously stated there might be people naïve enough to buy into your beliefs.

This is not a matter of duty.  That is, and will remain, a lie.  Your true motivation is to try and shout down a world view which makes you manifestly uncomfortable.  This shows precisely the lack of strength which other would-be female dominants in this forum also demonstrate - with one or two critical exceptions.

You may want to reread my posts, you will see despite what you see as “personal attacks” I have only ever called you on your erroneous belief system.  I’ve never said you were stupid, b/c I don’t believe you are stupid, I’ve never said you were lying, b/c I think you truly believe what you espouse. The one time I have questioned your ethics was in your use of seduction on those you perceive as weaker (your words, not mine). Other than that, I have not attacked your intelligence, veracity or ethics. I will continue to challenge your myopic male supremacy views, but I will not breach my own ethics to
do so.

I can present an alternative view, precisely because it genuinely *is* an alternative view to the status quo here.  That has value simply because you've become so hidebound and mutually aligned in your beliefs that you've decided this is the only way for everyone.  Thus, you've become the BDSM equivalent of the judgmental vanilla world you decry.  Pot, kettle, fucking charcoalled into oblivion.  

I’ve never said you had no right to your views. Once you trot them out to a public forum, you can expect them to be challenged. And I have never, ever said I was not judgmental. In fact, I have stated otherwise in this fora.  

That is absolutely correct.  They do.  However they do not possess them in similar degrees.  They possess an overriding trait which can be softened by its opposite, but they do not possess them in equal measure.  

I have to disagree. Human beings are comprised of many (often conflicting) personality traits.  

The sky has been blue for millenia.  This essential fact hasn't changed.  The idea that because something is old makes it invalid is a fallacy.  Try again.  

You accused me of lack of consistency, which I ignored. And yet a few posts back you said this: What you're going to have to do is put your big girl panties on and realise some people have wildly divergent world-views and think for themselves.  They don't follow the herd just because there's pressure to do so. 
 

How exactly would you like your male supremacy drivel classified? To my mind, if your facts are so essential, then they aren’t “wildly divergent” b/c everyone would continue to believe them. You have me confused, but it must be my lack of intelligence.
 

Nonsense.  You're unable to tolerate anything which doesn't reinforce your self-image.  Divergent thought is precisely that - it challenges your notions.  You prefer to see yourself as powerful - but apparently not powerful enough to cope with challenging ideas.    

The above paragraph describes you to a tee
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Are you seriously trying to argue with me over the idea that women seduce men and have been doing so for millenia?  Please say you are, I'll howl with laughter.  I point out a fact that anyone who's even moderately learned in history will understand and you claim I'm being a misogynist.  Is this the best you can do?  How funny!  

I never said women have not seduced men, what I take issue with is assuming that b/c I am female that I do. Herein lies your problem, you have to lump all females together into one homogenous mass that all act, talk, and think the same way, and it’s just not so. You seem to understand not all males are the same, why do you think all females are?  

So women who are seduced are emotionally weak are they?  This is an interesting attack upon your own gender.  

Emotionally weak are your words, not mine. I refer you to your many posts in the “Should a dominant always choose the submissive” thread, in which you made your views about seduction quite well known.
 

And you totally ignored my response to my not challenging money dommes. Clearly the fact that I do challenge scammers doesn’t agree with your notions of who and what I am.
 

And BTW: I would challenge scammer no matter what gender they were trying to scam.
 

You cannot be serious.  You're justifying your hypocrisy because your personal attack was - in your opinion - more subtle?  It's at this point, I'm pretty sure your intelligence is even more pedestrian that I thought.  Christ.  

It was a joke of sorts, do try and remember this is entertainment for me.
 

No.  You're lying.  And it's pathetic that you need to do so.  I had no idea I was dealing with an emotional child.  I almost feel bad for even bothering with you.  

Your overreaction to my statement that some female hurt you badly in the past by saying I am lying, pathetic and an emotional child leads me to believe I hit the nail on the proverbial head.
 

I know exactly what it means.  You fail, yet again.  Nice try though.  I'm always amused to the degree by which women eventually resort to talking about the cock of the guy who's overmastering them.  Classic.

Well you know, I can’t ejaculate prematurely. Being female, I can climax as often as I like, so if you are going to talk ejaculate, you have to admit females are superior in their abilities.


In summary, you've done nothing to change my mind whatsoever.  You're a submissive, playing at being dominant and your arguments are paper-thin disguises for your internal disquiet caused by my views impinging upon your own weak reality.  I'm disappointed, but unsurprised.  

You obviously did not read this from my previous post:  

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
You do understand that I don’t seek your validation, your agreement, or anything else. I don’t think I can change your skewed world view. I respond to you for one reason, b/c there might be someone new enough or naïve enough to buy into your drivel, and I feel duty bound to offer an alternate view. You will note I don’t bother to take you one when someone else (another aging domme perhaps?) has already done the work for me.


You are the one with internal disquiet, though I do not expect you to openly admit it. It’s clear from your posts that you are the one foaming at the mouth, while I’m the one laughing over my morning cup of tea as I type out responses to your “opinions.” 

Now, I’m not going to continue posting on this thread, as I don’t believe I can add much to what has already been said.            

< Message edited by ChatteParfaitt -- 8/12/2011 5:09:30 AM >


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RE: Finding The Perfect Domme - 8/15/2011 2:40:53 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
The belief in male (or female) supremacy is not a mere opinion. It’s a belief system based on fantasy instead of fact. You can call the sky blue if you like and state it as an opinion, that doesn’t make the sky less blue and more green.
  You're right.  Look out the window and tell me who runs the world.  It must be all those women complaining about the glass ceiling, right?  I'm really not bothered by the fantasies women construct for themselves, but the inability to accept historical and current reality is an issue you really need to work on.

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Personally, I could care less what your fantasies are. But when you take them out to a public forum and announce them as the one true way, I have issues with it, b/c as I previously stated there might be people naïve enough to buy into your beliefs.
  First off, given your inability to deal with reality, there's a certain irony in announcing your viewpoint as "the one true way".  I express an opinion, in the same way many people do.  Unfortunately for your fragile female ego, I have no problem expressing that opinion without qualification.  Once again, you've been spending far too much time around male subs who don't have the balls to contradict you.

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You may want to reread my posts, you will see despite what you see as “personal attacks” I have only ever called you on your erroneous belief system.
See, this is the problem right here.  You fail to understand that fundamentally we have different views of reality.  And you're apparently not intelligent enough to see that calling my view 'erroneous' and announcing your view as correct is more of the 'one true way'ism you've accused me of.  I can't decide whether your hypocrisy is a product of stupidity or your mental faculties have simply become weak through under-use.  It's plain to see that you're not strong enough to cope with having your viewpoint challenged.

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The one time I have questioned your ethics was in your use of seduction on those you perceive as weaker (your words, not mine).
  I never said anything of the sort.  Your views on seduction are hidebound, ill-informed and reek of fear.

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Other than that, I have not attacked your intelligence, veracity or ethics. I will continue to challenge your myopic male supremacy views, but I will not breach my own ethics to do so.
I hardly think pompous self-righteousness constitutes challenge.

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I’ve never said you had no right to your views. Once you trot them out to a public forum, you can expect them to be challenged. And I have never, ever said I was not judgmental. In fact, I have stated otherwise in this fora.
  As can you.  And you can be sure I'll tear apart your nonsense without any qualms.

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I have to disagree. Human beings are comprised of many (often conflicting) personality traits.  
  Reread what I said.  Now you're just being lazy and not paying attention.

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You accused me of lack of consistency, which I ignored. And yet a few posts back you said this: What you're going to have to do is put your big girl panties on and realise some people have wildly divergent world-views and think for themselves.  They don't follow the herd just because there's pressure to do so.

How exactly would you like your male supremacy drivel classified? To my mind, if your facts are so essential, then they aren’t “wildly divergent” b/c everyone would continue to believe them. You have me confused, but it must be my lack of intelligence.
  In this forum, anything approaching a view which doesn't flatter the pretensions of the Dommes who inhabit it is scorned.  Few of the Doms here have the balls to express their views without couching them in qualifications or attempting to massage the egos of the usual suspects.  It's pathetic.  The irony is that a BDSM forum is so incredibly politically correct.  When I see people asserting there are 8 genders and expressing dissatisfaction that the world doesn't conform to their crazy notions of gender theory, it becomes very clear that these are the same old games in which people use various means to establish and grow their own power for reasons which are all founded in self-interest.

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I never said women have not seduced men, what I take issue with is assuming that b/c I am female that I do. Herein lies your problem, you have to lump all females together into one homogenous mass that all act, talk, and think the same way, and it’s just not so. You seem to understand not all males are the same, why do you think all females are?  
  I never said anything about you seducing anyone - in fact, I think you're manifestly incapable of it.  Seduction requires the ability to enter into someone's spirit and you lack that flexibility of viewpoint.

As for women, part of the problem - common to pretty much every woman - is that women like to believe in the myth of their individuality and desperately fight anyone who suggest otherwise, while at the same time they display those traits which are near-universal to their gender.  Including, believing in the myth of their individuality and fighting anyone who suggests otherwise.

Anyone who's dealt with people en masse will tell you that we're far less unique than we like to think.  Indeed, one of the things I'm constantly seeing is the same personalities repeating themselves in different bodies - although often those bodies are similar.  And there are definite commonalities which describe the vast majority of any given population - the Bell curve exists for a reason.

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Emotionally weak are your words, not mine. I refer you to your many posts in the “Should a dominant always choose the submissive” thread, in which you made your views about seduction quite well known.
  Actually, no - those are your words, not mine.  I never said any such thing.  No doubt it's something you inferred, not something I actually said - a common female trait.

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And you totally ignored my response to my not challenging money dommes. Clearly the fact that I do challenge scammers doesn’t agree with your notions of who and what I am.  

And BTW: I would challenge scammer no matter what gender they were trying to scam.
  I've never seen you challenge them, nor condemn them.  So you agree all financial Dommes are scammers, do you?

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It was a joke of sorts, do try and remember this is entertainment for me.
  Ah, the old "I'm just entertaining myself and not invested in the conversation" claim.  Yes, that really has a lot of credibility.  Really it does.

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Your overreaction to my statement that some female hurt you badly in the past by saying I am lying, pathetic and an emotional child leads me to believe I hit the nail on the proverbial head.
  No, my reaction was to your statement that your "observation" wasn't a personal attack.  It shows a lack of integrity and people who lie the way you do arouse my contempt.

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Well you know, I can’t ejaculate prematurely. Being female, I can climax as often as I like, so if you are going to talk ejaculate, you have to admit females are superior in their abilities.
  Female biology and the female mind are capable of some very interesting things in the sack, of that there is no doubt.

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You obviously did not read this from my previous post:  

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt
You do understand that I don’t seek your validation, your agreement, or anything else. I don’t think I can change your skewed world view. I respond to you for one reason, b/c there might be someone new enough or naïve enough to buy into your drivel, and I feel duty bound to offer an alternate view. You will note I don’t bother to take you one when someone else (another aging domme perhaps?) has already done the work for me.


You are the one with internal disquiet, though I do not expect you to openly admit it. It’s clear from your posts that you are the one foaming at the mouth, while I’m the one laughing over my morning cup of tea as I type out responses to your “opinions.” 

Now, I’m not going to continue posting on this thread, as I don’t believe I can add much to what has already been said.            
  Oh, I read it, but I'm afraid you're something of a neophyte when it comes to reading intent.  And the "I'm just laughing myself silly" thing you Dommes tend to try is all the more amusing for the intense effort you put into your posts.  It's expected - you're a known quantity and there are never any surprises.  It's just kind of sad to see the same old routines played out without a smidgen of variation.


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RE: Finding The Perfect Domme - 8/16/2011 10:19:42 AM   
LadyHugs


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Monosub,

First, there are no such things as a 'perfect Domme.' Being human, all humans are flawed and imperfect in many ways.
Perhaps, it is wiser to approach another, with the hopes of having at least 7/8 of what you deem 'perfect.'

Second, if you are not 'new' to the lifestyle, you might not be worldly exposed to the "lifestyle." Because a person's 'life style' might share similar traits, I can attest to the fact that each relationship is unique though they may have many common traits to other relationships out in the world and or as near as your local BDSM group, club or such.

Third, excuse me as I chuckle a bit, at the comment of your objection to 'paying for services.' As, I stop chuckling long enough, I must say that being familiar with the "lifestyle" paying is not always 'financial.' There is what is called a "power exchange" that rotates back and forth between a Dominant and submissive in their roles. That is a form of payment, in playing off one another's roles. Barter is often used, such as if I do this, you will do that, e.g. a service, a function, etc., but not always does it involve cash.

Fourth, though in life's early years people tend to write out their dreams, their goals and what to them means happiness, no matter how hard efforts to work with a scripted scene, it never ever works out to be by the 'letter' or ever accomplishes the desire intended. Health, mental and or emotional issues, malfunctions in equipment and or tools, life's interruptions can toss in a monkey wrench into the most well rehearsed role plays around. That said though, writing down what you wish to accomplish, goals and or feelings you wish to experience is just a necessary feed of communications as to help give 'mile post markers' as to how high you want to fly in sub space or meet the challenge within yourself, the Dominant the tether to the realities as well as controling the flow of endorphins and adreniline. But, to achieve spontanious and natural results, scripts are not so restrictive as to not allow a natural impromptu response.

Fifth, in negotiation stages, it is wise to honestly say where your dangers are, such as diabetic, arthritis, seizures, allergies and the like, as this helps the Dominant to adjust their play accordingly. Health and safety are to be primary priorities and from there build a 'scene' or 'role play' from there. It is to end where both can smile and remember the role play/scene as a beautiful memory--not a casualty. In addition, what BDSM/D/s and or S&m experience you have is very much appreciated, and with what tools, toys and methods that get your juices flowing per se. Your 'triggers' good or bad, known up front will only help in the role play/scene. This said though, not one Dominant plays identical to one another. My light might be a feather light to another. My very sadistic side, might be so harsh that it may blow off the cap of what another Dominant may deem as harsh. In addition the sadism can involve mental, emotional as well as physical, so this too must be discussed and done before a scene/role play even starts.

Sixth, a reason why I can't personally play by a 'script,' is that I play from what your body tells me, e.g. body language, skin color changes and temperature changes on the skin, the quickness of the reaction to reach sub-space and such, can't be packaged in a set script. For instance, if you aren't 'leathered' you body may soar faster with the light administrations of a cane on the dorsal vein or any number of my techniques where I tap into the body's electrical system, e.g. nerves and nerve bundles. I have seen others attempt to stick to a script where it was to the point that the submissive/bottom was unresponsive and the Dominant was still whacking them as if whacking a dead side of beef. Thank goodness, others were around to stop the scene, get the sub down and administer to their health. Unknown the sub had taken asprin and beer, so drunk that they passed out while getting their 'fix' on a adreniline high. So, this is why I would caution against demanding/suggesting an experienced Dominant to stick to any script. Again, communicate where you like to explore, what intent you have in reaching said goals, etc., is good communications where assumptions are few and knowledge is the power as to make adjustments as to reach those goals safely.

Seven, I would watch the Dominant in 'action' per se, before I bottom/submit to them. Too many talk the talk but can't walk the walk. The Dominant should be able to have good control over their whips, floggers, canes and torture tools. They should know when the skin is telling them signals to stop, how slow pinch is kinder and less painful, then apply the clamp, verses the quick pinch off and on which is more sadistic. Are the bondage furnitures about sound? Can they hold three times to four times your body weight? Is the whip zone free of obstructions? Are their medical and fire extinguishers visible and present? Is there a way for you to escape if there is an emergency--such as the Dominant going into a medical emergency situation. There are a lot of things to concern yourself and all these can be done with mutual respect.

Lady Hugs








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