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Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 1:42:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: jlf1961 Funny thing, every other thread dealing with the 9/11 conspiracy nonsense was either moved or deleted, I wonder why this one is still here. I still say if everyone would put realone, rule and pahunk on ignore, these threads would die quick deaths. It does no one any good to argue facts with the fantasies that these three seem to put forward as truth. For the record, some psychiatrists seem to think that the belief in conspiracy theories is a form of psychosis. yeh and here is what others in varaious fields think about psychologists quote: [image]http://freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea02/img/pg01a_1.jpg[/image] [image]http://freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea02/img/pg01a_01.jpg[/image] [image]http://freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea02/img/smarty.gif[/image] British psychiatrists William Sargant (right) and J.R. Rees (left) exploited post-WW II social disarray: “Public life, politics and industry should all of them be within our sphere of influence.” [image]http://freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea02/img/smarty.gif[/image] Posing as the “mental health” branch of “medical science,” psychiatry is a fraud. Electric shock and drugs destroy lives while “new ideas” from psychologists ruin education, religion and families. The Church of England’s current controversy — allegations of violence and sexual abuse of their wives by clergymen — raises a deeper issue which has to date gone undiscussed. When Gillian Kidd first complained to the bishop of her Yorkshire diocese that her vicar husband was abusing her, the bishop, according to the Sunday Times, ignored her. When she persisted, the bishop said her husband needed psychiatric help. The vicar’s reply? That his wife was inventing the abuse, and if she persisted he would have her incarcerated — in a psychiatric hospital. The truth of the allegations and counter-allegations is yet to be determined. But the deeper issue nobody seems to have noticed in this and similar cases is the ease with which men of the Church turn to the Godless subject of psychiatry for answers they apparently cannot find in their faith. Why is this a problem? The answer is this: The carefully cultivated image of the kindly psychiatrist, sagely nodding while his patient engages in verbal explorations on a couch, is about as far from reality as drug-induced hallucinations. Scandals about psychiatrists — their abuse of patients, the harm caused by their “treatments” and drugs, and fraudulent claims against National Health insurance, particularly in the United States — are all too regular in the press. But the destructive influence of psychiatry on religion — particularly the established churches — is little understood. http://freedom.org.uk/mag/issuea02/page01a.htm why do you want this censored so badly? What do you fear? Truth?

Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 2:48:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well there is a limit to my patience. When it gets down to my saying 2 + 2 = 4 and someone countering with Oh no.... 2 + 2 = 3 - 1/2 then I am done with them. Clearly this man's ability to do sums is excellent: 2+2 is indeed 4. Equally correct is asserting a 16 second collapse is essentially the same as 6.5 (free-fall), and an admission by NIST that a building was in free-fall for 1/8th of its collapse is the same as saying it completely collapsed in free-fall! [sm=biggrin.gif]

Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 2:57:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "I already debunked what everything said in the Chandler videos several times such as on post 345: " I, at Termy's dot com have determined that this debunking was the product of a poster on a BDSM wesite, who claims to be in Ireland but we cannot conform nor deny that assertion. Ah I see Termy has donned his tin-foil hat at a blatant effort at assholism again. What the fuck does my location have to do with anything? Termy has tried to cast doubt on me repeatedly before. Its the same old conspiracist shit, as if living in Ireland is somehow important (WTF). Grow the fuck up and accept the fact that other people are entitled to disagree with your views. quote: This poster as well as others use all the common tools of debinkers known to all of us, which are of as dubious credibility as the sources which are supposedly debunked. Therefore, no judgment is made at the Terminal here. It is, however, a source of consternation when SOME seem to resent the fact that their percieved facts are not accepted, blindly or not. Bullshit, I haven't expected anyone to blindly accept my views. I quoted a good deal from the NIST text which featured work by a large number of notable figures in their fields. Even if you have doubts over NIST's intentions, that source is infinitely more credible then the Alex Jones brigades who have been caught out many times to mention. You pretend to straddle the fence but its pretty clear you are a 9/11 conspiracist, which isn't at all surprising considering you have repeatedly tried to legitimise stuff like the Protocols on here.

Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 9:24:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne stupid fuck just keeps on parroting the same stupid fucking debunker site bullshit that is completely abrogated in the final report as shown in the links provided. I have better things to do than to go around in circles all day with fucking idiots. He didn't deny (nor affirm) that he is a depression prone submissive when I asked him, so I suspect that I may be right in that respect and that it might explain his cognitive disabilities. Ah well, he is history now. I do hope that nobody quotes him.

Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 9:28:05 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Rule quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne stupid fuck just keeps on parroting the same stupid fucking debunker site bullshit that is completely abrogated in the final report as shown in the links provided. I have better things to do than to go around in circles all day with fucking idiots. He didn't deny (nor affirm) that he is a depression prone submissive when I asked him, so I suspect that I may be right in that respect and that it might explain his cognitive disabilities. Ah well, he is history now. I do hope that nobody quotes him. What a sad little child Rule is... he just can't stand to have his precious fantasies challenged by sane people! BTW I don't believe he blocked me at all as he was reading this thread for a long time earlier when I had just put up new posts replying to his other bullshit! [;)]

Owner59 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 9:39:55 PM)
He always threatens to "block you",like you should shutter at the thought. Kook is as kook does.

Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 9:42:34 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Owner59 He always threatens to "block you",like you should shutter at the thought. Kook is as kook does. Indeed. I actually look on it as a badge of honour. [;)]

lusciouslips19 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 9:53:58 PM)
Anyone still spouting the same nonsense as 2 years ago should get a frickin life!

Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 10:02:05 PM)
Hey ll19, were you in prison or in someone's dungeon these past many months?

lusciouslips19 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 10:10:09 PM)
I got bored reading the same ole horseshit, so I pop in from time to time, to confirm its the same song on loop! Yeah, prison....a different one than here...[:D]

Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/14/2011 11:49:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lusciouslips19 Anyone still spouting the same nonsense as 2 years ago should get a frickin life! well these tards get on these debunker tard sites and quote any shit that sounds good regardless if its a fiction or not and then defend it to the death. They have no shame. NIST was proven to falsify data and anyone that continues to quote data that is patently incorrect or misrepresents the event or pretends the data is something it is not when so informed is equivalent to a lie and becomes a lie when they do not correct their position. So things are not the same as they were. Bottom line NIST admitted freefall and if a building freefalls for even 1 second that is proof of demolition or demolition prepping. It does not matter if it took the building a year to fall. That said your gubafia is guilty falsifying official documents which is a criminal offense and they admitted it by the evidence and were forced to change their report to reflect that point. Its a great day for the people! Finally busted their asses. If you have hi speed and want to know how your gubafia manipulates you (the people) through deceit he does and excellent job bringin it home :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXTlaqXsm4k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

Termyn8or -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 12:35:41 AM)
F fucking R Here is the deal. There were buildings there and now there ain't. YOU got the choice to think about this bullshit for the rest of your lives or not. It is clear to me that the gov was either complicit or incompetent, no question, but now we have other problems. I simply don't give a fuck because what is done is done. Can ANYONE under fucking stand what the fuck I am saying ? If you can, please say so, just to give me enough hope to delay my plans of mass destruction or whatever. Whatever. T^T

Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 1:51:11 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Real0ne well these tards get on these debunker tard sites and quote any shit that sounds good regardless if its a fiction or not and then defend it to the death. They have no shame. It is you who has no shame for repeatedly distorting about the most elemental of points whilst repeatedly pasting the same three Chandler youtube links on many times in the last few pages. quote: NIST was proven to falsify data and anyone that continues to quote data that is patently incorrect or misrepresents the event or pretends the data is something it is not when so informed is equivalent to a lie and becomes a lie when they do not correct their position. NIST did not falsify data. Chandler measured time from the West side of WTC 7 which was incorrect, the measurement for the East side that NIST took was because the collapse started there. This is Chandler debunked: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1rhY9c_iemA quote: Bottom line NIST admitted freefall and if a building freefalls for even 1 second that is proof of demolition or demolition prepping. That is bullshit. Freefall of any object occurs where there is little resistance. A controlled demolition allows freefall because explosions simultaneously explode the supporting colums throughout the building creating a loud bang that can be heard for miles around. Thus there is minimal resistance to the fall throughout the collapse. The conspiracists know this which is why so many of them claim that the building fell in its absolute free-fall time, namely 6.5 seconds. Loads of their videos on youtube attest to this point. R0 is merely trying to shift the goal posts here which is typical of his dishonesty. WTC 7 only went into free-fall for 1/8th (two seconds) of its collapse time. due to negligible support from the structure below for about five floors - "During Stage 2, the north face descended essentially in free fall, indicating negligible support from the structure below. This is consistent with the structural analysis model which showed the exterior columns buckling and losing their capacity to support the loads from the structure above." http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/factsheet/wtc_qa_082108.cfm Here is a good video dealing with the crap about Tower 7 including the collapse times which uses conspiracy videos against them: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilSHm0Luj4 quote: It does not matter if it took the building a year to fall. This is R0 in 1+1=3 mode now - the time has nothing to do with it!!! [sm=biggrin.gif]

Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 10:46:52 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or F fucking R Here is the deal. There were buildings there and now there ain't. YOU got the choice to think about this bullshit for the rest of your lives or not. It is clear to me that the gov was either complicit or incompetent, no question, but now we have other problems. I simply don't give a fuck because what is done is done. Can ANYONE under fucking stand what the fuck I am saying ? If you can, please say so, just to give me enough hope to delay my plans of mass destruction or whatever. Whatever. T^T Well it matters because this kind of fraud, the kind that murders thousands of americans cannot go unpunished. You know or you should know that there are many people out here whos agenda it is to confuse issues by using shithouse physicists from debunker sites who dont know which end of a calculator to use much less properly prepare a data set, nor do they understand how to properly measure, quantify or qualify the observed event. So like nist they use fraudulent methods to pollute the water with bullshit and poison as many minds as they can, targeting those who are not physics wiz bangs which is yep most of america! LOL Nist cherry picks the data and knowingly uses incorrect assessment methods so retards simply write it off as incompetence to cover up the fact they were demolished in their initial reports. Then agenda pushers push the same incorrect assessments mean time qualified engineers et all at fighting with these bastards to correct the shit. Total embarrassment to all other countries, especially when a demo expert from another country without a second thought stated it was a demo. How fucking embarrassing is that for america and americans? Like the physics teacher said that the response from nist was exactly what he would expect from a student that never cracked the book. I have seen it all out here. The guy or girl whatever they are has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt they are clueless about these matters. (plausible as theirs and nists koolaid bullshit may "sound") The only thing they are good for is pumping koolaid because they dont know what the fuck they are doing and the bottom line is that you cannot get these assholes to "get it" no matter how correct you may be because they have a political agenda to push that is more important to them. Just like crankster saying that my citation was from a conspiracy site when it was supreme court case law. And then they put you on iggy when you embarrass the hell out of them LOL Not to mention my posting supreme court cases and people still claiming it just aint so! Nothing anyone can do about delusional obtuse koolaid drinking assholes. What is important is the process exposes the gubafias bullshit and how they criiminally manipulate their data to cover their criminal asses. Gross should be rotting in prison right now. Hell I even posted the murrah building that stood after being blown 1/2 away. These propaganda whores do anything to avoid the FACT that: any amount of: freefall = demolition and nist admitted freefall therefore nist admitted demolition thats it. done deal nothing more be said and no amount of obfuscating means and methods will change that. (but they will try!) I am just happy that the truth came out and they were forced to admit freefall on the record.

mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 11:07:18 AM)
premise is not only incorrect it is ignorant. free fall does not mean demolition. ask newton, galileo or einstein. there is a thing out there in the real world, and it is called gravity, and it happens to everybody and everything.

Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 11:16:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail premise is not only incorrect it is ignorant. free fall does not mean demolition. ask newton, galileo or einstein. there is a thing out there in the real world, and it is called gravity, and it happens to everybody and everything. I already explained that several pages back if you want to see the details read my posts and listen to the high school physics teacher. I presume you unlike the other person is capable of high school level physics. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXTlaqXsm4k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw

mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 11:23:42 AM)
no, your shitwiping is not physics. http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1dkin/u1l5a.cfm http://www.physicsclassroom.com/class/1dkin/u1l6c.cfm http://www.learner.org/interactives/parkphysics/freefall.html http://www.batesville.k12.in.us/physics/phynet/mechanics/kinematics/FreeFallIntro.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_fall http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/K-12/airplane/ffall.html this is physics.

Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 12:02:49 PM)
for fuck sake get a life already not only did I explain what freefall is nist explains what it is in the links I provided nist admitted it was free fall so take your asswipe and wipe your own ass with them.

mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 12:06:29 PM)
well everybody admits the building had to free fall. except a reactionary or two that believes the world is flat. It does not require a conspiracy or demoliton or any other external force than the physics of gravity.

Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/15/2011 12:11:22 PM)
a naturally collapsing reasonably well designed building cannot globally free fall as 1,2 and 7 did. there is no defense to that, just miles of piles of bullshit and obfuscation.

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