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Anaxagoras -> RE: The Tin Foil Termy Terminates (8/16/2011 12:09:13 PM)
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
a free-fall collapse is when a building goes down for all of its collapse. That is how it is understood in terms of demolition.
thats a creative definition.
cite where you got that koolaid from.
It isn't a creative definition, that is the definition of a free fall demolition that the conspiracists also accept which is why they pretty much comprehensively claim Tower 7 came down in 6.5 seconds, even though this is a blatant lie as the video footage attests, see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilSHm0Luj4
When I googled free-fall demolition all I found was conspiracist bullshit for pages and pages but even their definitions of what is meant by a controlled demolition gives the same meaning of free-fall so you cannot doubt the argument, e.g.
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Building 7 Compared to the Twin Towers: The destruction of Building 7 exhibited numerous tell-tale signs of a conventional controlled demolition: The building sank into its footprint at near free-fall speed. http://911review.com/means/demolition/index.html
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The fact that the towers collapsed in about 10 seconds is clear evidence that the upper portion of each of the towers passed through the lower portion at about the same rate that it would have fallen through air. The fact that the towers fell this quickly (essentially at the rate of free-fall) is conclusive evidence that they were deliberately demolished. http://911review.org/Wget/www.the7thfire.com/Politics%20and%20History/law_of_free_fall.htm
Of course that is complete arsewipe about then falling at that rate but it proves that even their understanding of a controlled demolition resulting in free-fall means a free-fall speed throughout its collapse.
People in the industry have convinced me beyond the shadow of any doubt...the bldg. (WTC 7) was fucking demolished, all 47 stories in a few seconds, right into its own fucking footprint. (parking lot) That is an occurrence that simply does not happen from a fire no matter how fucking big or bad it is.
Sorry Rodgers but that is incorrect. Earlier in the thread I posted a video of a steel framed building in Holland that collapsed after a fire. Even more importantly, the Madrid building which debunkers like to cite to prove that Tower 7 was demolished largely collapsed also as a result of fire. They cite it because it burnt for 26 hours and part of it remained. Howerver, the outer steel frame which made the majority of the building collapsed in a quarter of the time of Tower 7. The core did not collapse for 26 hours because it is made of reinforced concrete which is highly resistant to fire damage. Here is more info on it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windsor_Tower_(Madrid)#Characteristics_of_the_building
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One engineer I talked to told me fires burn, and they burn, and they burn some more until out of fuel. Fires do not ever begin to burn 47 stories of steel resulting and in just a few seconds, crumbling into the bldg's own footprint. N E V E R...period.
There were extensive fires running through the building unimpeded for six and a half hours. They were worst on the south side of the building which was where the material from Tower One struck causing the fires in the first place. Here is a video that discusses the issue: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QilSHm0Luj4 which I posted up before which shows the smoke across a 47 story 110 foot building was so extensive that it obsecured it from view most of the time. In no way can the fires not be considered extensive.
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To the extent a fire might effect almost any bldg. let alone a steel bldg. would be totally spontaneous, be almost completely random in that some would fall, some would not, some would burn only for a while...most of the bldg. would not.
The fire wasn't randon or spontaneously all consuming if thats what you mean. The damage to the building was extensive from Tower 1. Here are some shots that prove it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IwdD6ERutEI
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Look at WTC 3, 4, 5 & 6. NONE fell in seconds into their own footprint. The extent of their destruction was random, partial with much of those blgs. still standing on 9/12.
Well Tower 5 partially collapsed. The other towers were much smaller having a number of stories in single figures. Regardless all were completely destroyed or damaged beyond repair. Furthermore Tower 7 did not fall neatly into its own footprint. It caused millions of dollars of damage to surrounding buildings that survived, e.g the Verzon.
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WTC 7 (1 & 2 also) suffers no such ambiguity, it-ALL 47 stories, (or 110) in a few seconds into rubble in its own footprint...just as in a professional, pre-planned, (week minimum) demolition.
If it was a true professional pre-planned demolition it would have collapsed in free-fall through its entirety because demolitions blow out all the supports so the building collapses as neatly as possible without flinging masonry onto other structures. That just didn't happen here with a 15-18 second collapse rather than a 6.5 second free-fall demolition.
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Look, Americans not actually fighting and working for the truth...ARE cowards. 9/11 depended on this cowardice and of course their distracted ignorance and reactionary, ridiculous patriotism. That public just lets...LETS the govt. tell them all that they think they need to know. As evidenced by OP's like this...it worked and it worked beautifully. Well for most anyway.
If it were true (and I refute that as you know) it didn't work well at all. No conspiracist movement has worked as well to undermine the truth as is the situation with 9/11 truthers.
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Forget engineers, forget all of the science cybersluts, the 9/11 commission report settled it all. The reason we in fact saw no plane at the pentagon or in PA. is because they...'vaporized on contact.' Now do you even for a second come close to believing that ? Think about that statement in your govt.'s 'Official great oh so comprehensive ($600,000) 9/11 Commission Report.'
There was been a lot of talk about the plane vaporising on contact which is weird because as far as I know that wasn't the conclusion. Well many witnesses and a few professional journalists attested to the plane hitting the Pentagon. Furthermore quite a lot of aircraft debris, and the remains of almost everybody on board was found. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Airlines_Flight_77#Crash
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One plane takes down more steel than an aircraft carrier. Yet another plane takes down yet another bldg. with 110,000 tons of steel, yet didn't bring down 3, 4, 5 and 6 the same kind of aircraft vaporizes on contact with the pentagon and the PA dirt ? The same kind of plane that can't knock down the outer pentagon wall. Then what 300 yards away not struck by a plane yet from mere collateral damage, ALL 47 stories into its own footprint ? Please.
You are not comparing things that are commensurate, and conflating the causations. The pentagon wall was constructed to be incredibly strong with multiple-layers of reinforced concrete but the plane still smashed through it and the fire burnt for three days. A plane did not take down 110,000 tons of steel. Its impact was merely the cause of the phenomena that did. The debris effectively destroyed Towers 3, 4, 5 and 6 so why wouldn't it also affect Tower 7 seriously as well? Tower 7 was not imploded into its own footprint. It caused serious damage to the Deutsche Bank Building, the Verizon Building, and World Financial Center and others
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Nothing from two flight recorders from the two planes in NY (given by the NTSB to the FBI, first time in history...never returned) and NO BLACK BOXES at all from the Va., and Pa planes...why ? Why all of this evidence cover-up ? Oh, that's right, those black boxes...'vaporized on contact too.' Please.
Suffice it to say, the American cowardice extends to as of now 10 years later...NO grand jury. So understand now that this country has changed for the worse and forever.
That is incorrect, the pentagon flight recorder was recovered but damaged beyond repair. The recorder for flight 93 was recovered and played back to the families.
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