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Termyn8or -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 5:51:29 PM)

Much my ass. Scheduled demolitions have about the collateral damage rate really. Maybe it got better over the last decade (?) or so, but not all that much. Do nothing the windows blow out, take the windows out and the debris comes out. Board the windows up and the walls come out, which is worse.

Folks in NYC are lucky it wasn't a hell of alot worse than it was. If I did it I would aim higher to assure a toppling structure, which would have caused a hell of alot more damage. Actually they should've just flew all the planes into the Whitehouse. If I wanted to hurt this country that's what I would've done, and the fact they didn't dwarfs all other evidence.

Talk shit, have fun. Why am I here ?

T^T



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 5:56:33 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so where were we....

Oh yeh you were going to answer this question:

Did the full length and width of the roof line after the initial kink of a couple feet fall reasonably uniform and parallel with the ground?

yes or no


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/image]




some sections did, some didnt. Thats why the surrounding buildings suffered so much damage.


the problem you are faced with is that there is no evidence that is true.  That is the running presumption however it is not fact.

We can from observation see that the roofline remains intact and parallel with the earth.  When a partial caves in it will cave in the roof wherever it lost support.








Anaxagoras -> Fucking troofers (8/16/2011 6:08:34 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
It actually illustrated the variation in the collapse based on video evidence so it had greater basis than a theoretical hypothetical line of free-fall.

look you have been dismissed please go find a corner and masterbate on some other thread.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/nist002-1.jpg[/image]

the data points are from measurements.

What a fucking pathetic asswipe response, sticking up a picture of pinocchio (edited) and completely ignoring what I said about the Chandler video, and yet again posting up Chandler's arse wipe graph.

This is what I stated in post 476:
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I watched a few mins of the clip. At three minutes in the bullshit artist David Chandler claims the curved line in the NIST graph had no significance whatsoever, whilst the straight line has basis in fact. It actually illustrated the variation in the collapse based on video evidence so it had greater basis than a theoretical hypothetical line of free-fall.

This is correct. People should check Page 46, Chapter 3 of the NIST report: http://www.nist.gov/customcf/get_pdf.cfm?pub_id=861610 which shows that the curved line which he said in the video three minutes in was completely irrelevant (described as a "wet noodle" I think) is actually the calculated velocity of the event. This proves he is dishonest.




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 6:17:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so where were we....

Oh yeh you were going to answer this question:

Did the full length and width of the roof line after the initial kink of a couple feet fall reasonably uniform and parallel with the ground?

yes or no


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/image]




some sections did, some didnt. Thats why the surrounding buildings suffered so much damage.


the problem you are faced with is that there is no evidence that is true.  That is the running presumption however it is not fact.

We can from observation see that the roofline remains intact and parallel with the earth.  When a partial caves in it will cave in the roof wherever it lost support.








you can pretty much find any demolition compilation and find examples of roof cave in when charges are timed not to cause global failure, but to wipe out the support so the part of the building buckles.  This is done for placement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU

examples can be see at 1.20 1.55 and 3.0 roughly.

then if you just take out the bottom and want them to drop and tip at 2.17 mark

f you watch the whole video you will see there are no demolitions where the roof line remains parallel.  That takes seriously precision timing and highly precision well thought out engineering.

The closest building I have found so far is the middle building it came down pretty square at the 3.03 mark

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ywCyDb5Kzs

You can see the roof line drop several stories.  You do not see that on 7.

Ask your local demo company of a scale of 1 - 10 how perfectly 7 came down and they will most likely give it a 11.  You need nothing short of the highest grade pyro to accomplish that kind of precision.




jlf1961 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 7:22:43 PM)

Anaxagoras, you and the others who are trying to convince these (insert derogatory term here) that the conspiracy theories they believe in is bullshit is the modern equivalent of Don Quixote jousting at wind mills.

You really should read up on the "psychology of conspiracy theorists" with sources from google.

In his 1954 classic, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, historian Richard Hofstadter hypothesized that conspiracy thinking is fueled by underlying feelings of alienation and helplessness. Research supports his theory. New Mexico State University psychologist Marina Abalakina-Paap has found that people who endorse conspiracy theories are especially likely to feel angry, mistrustful, alienated from society, and helpless over larger forces controlling their lives.

You might remember that Alex Jones has often ranted about "FEMA Concentration Camps" which these individuals believe in as well.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 7:30:00 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so where were we....

Oh yeh you were going to answer this question:

Did the full length and width of the roof line after the initial kink of a couple feet fall reasonably uniform and parallel with the ground?

yes or no


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/image]




some sections did, some didnt. Thats why the surrounding buildings suffered so much damage.


the problem you are faced with is that there is no evidence that is true.  That is the running presumption however it is not fact.

We can from observation see that the roofline remains intact and parallel with the earth.  When a partial caves in it will cave in the roof wherever it lost support.








In a shot that conveniently obscures everything happening below it. No evidence??? Just 30 floor sections that laid out instead of falling straigth down.

Who do you think youre fooling with all of this bullshit? The thread is being continued so we can enjoy laughing at your delusions.



jlf1961 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:02:21 PM)

Willbe, four or five pages is enough to laugh at their delusions, 26 pages is feeding their delusions.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:02:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

so where were we....

Oh yeh you were going to answer this question:

Did the full length and width of the roof line after the initial kink of a couple feet fall reasonably uniform and parallel with the ground?

yes or no


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/image]




some sections did, some didnt. Thats why the surrounding buildings suffered so much damage.


the problem you are faced with is that there is no evidence that is true.  That is the running presumption however it is not fact.

We can from observation see that the roofline remains intact and parallel with the earth.  When a partial caves in it will cave in the roof wherever it lost support.








In a shot that conveniently obscures everything happening below it. No evidence??? Just 30 floor sections that laid out instead of falling straigth down.

Who do you think youre fooling with all of this bullshit? The thread is being continued so we can enjoy laughing at your delusions.


you have no rational explanation for what you just said.  If you think you do surprise me.  LOL

Since most of that I put up was NIST then you are claiming that NIST is the source of my delusions.

Trust me they are not.  I see through all their bullshit as well as acknowledge what they say that is factual.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:04:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Willbe, four or five pages is enough to laugh at their delusions, 26 pages is feeding their delusions.


26 pages is giving people who have little to no education in physics an education in physics because you have to drag them by the hair and kick them in the teeth all the way.

When they look stupid enough they miraculously get it.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:07:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Anaxagoras, you and the others who are trying to convince these (insert derogatory term here) that the conspiracy theories they believe in is bullshit is the modern equivalent of Don Quixote jousting at wind mills.

You really should read up on the "psychology of conspiracy theorists" with sources from google.

In his 1954 classic, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, historian Richard Hofstadter hypothesized that conspiracy thinking is fueled by underlying feelings of alienation and helplessness. Research supports his theory. New Mexico State University psychologist Marina Abalakina-Paap has found that people who endorse conspiracy theories are especially likely to feel angry, mistrustful, alienated from society, and helpless over larger forces controlling their lives.

You might remember that Alex Jones has often ranted about "FEMA Concentration Camps" which these individuals believe in as well.




wow thats a lot of talk!

got anything to back it up?

I already debunked your nutcase psychologists ad hominem.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:13:27 PM)

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/nist002-1.jpg[/image]


that curved line has zero meaning except to try and cover for the criminal gross's ass.


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/nist003A1.jpg[/image]




amazing both show freefall







Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:41:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Anaxagoras, you and the others who are trying to convince these (insert derogatory term here) that the conspiracy theories they believe in is bullshit is the modern equivalent of Don Quixote jousting at wind mills.

I know R0 well enough to appreciate he will never change. I'm just offering an alternative view of the issue. I think its important not to let them attack and shout others down who disagree, which is what they do consistently, and literally out post anyone they disagree with. It certainly seems to be done to bring about a monopoly of opinion in their favour.

quote:


You really should read up on the "psychology of conspiracy theorists" with sources from google.

In his 1954 classic, The Paranoid Style in American Politics, historian Richard Hofstadter hypothesized that conspiracy thinking is fueled by underlying feelings of alienation and helplessness. Research supports his theory. New Mexico State University psychologist Marina Abalakina-Paap has found that people who endorse conspiracy theories are especially likely to feel angry, mistrustful, alienated from society, and helpless over larger forces controlling their lives.

Sounds like an interesting read. Indeed the alienation issue is palpable on this very forum from various Illooninati. Indeed that is what 9/11 troofers seek to do. The intent is to cause radical alienation and mistrust by positing the idea that the US government did kill many thousands of its own innocent civilians almost on a whim to then profit from a war.

BTW you might enjoy a documentary series by Jon Ronson that kind of introduced me to this stuff a while back: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Secret_Rulers_of_the_World

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You might remember that Alex Jones has often ranted about "FEMA Concentration Camps" which these individuals believe in as well.

Not to mention bizarro stuff like the Bohemian Grove... lol



willbeurdaddy -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 8:50:59 PM)


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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

Willbe, four or five pages is enough to laugh at their delusions, 26 pages is feeding their delusions.


Thats why I waited 25 pages :)



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 9:21:02 PM)

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ORIGINAL: hardcybermaster
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ORIGINAL: Rule
Hey hardcybermaster! Is that you, jlf1961? If so, you ought to have a signature telling people that it is one of your sock-puppets. It is sometimes hard to tell otherwise.

now I know I have made it into the big time. I am fairly sure that jlf1961 and I are seperate entities otherwise I have got a lot older and put on a lot of weight( sorry jlf!)
Do you not see that your attempt to group 2 people together as 1 person is a clear manifestation of your paranoia?

Where did I group two people as one? I asked a question.

I am glad not to suffer from a lack of paranoia, thank you.



jlf1961 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 9:31:07 PM)

Okay, after doing a bit of research on the 9/11 conspiracy, not to mention watching a couple of documentaries on the conspiracy theories, I have to point out a few points that NONE of the (insert colorful adjective) (insert derogatory term here) have even attempted to explain.  And to be honest, I am not taking the (insert derogatory term here) off ignore to see if they even attempt to explain these problems with their theories.

1) It takes months to set up a controlled demolition of a building.   And it takes a large crew to set the explosive charges on supporting structures to bring the building down, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DRY WALL AND CONCRETE WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THOSE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS IN ORDER TO PLACE THE FUCKING CHARGES.

I am sure that some of the THOUSANDS of people working in the twin towers AND WTC 7 would have noticed this and said something about it.

2)  NONE OF THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED IN THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT.
If they had none of the other buildings that were destroyed by the collapsing buildings would have been damaged.  IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE ST. NICHOLAS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED.

3)  Super thermite, the substance that was supposedly painted on various supporting steel structures was in very LIMITED supply in 2001, and the amount needed for the destruction of BOTH towers did not exist.  In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminum particles required for super thermite required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material was limited.

It is only been in recent years that the production of super thermite has exceeded 100kg/month.

Again to "paint" this substance on the various supporting steel structures would require the removal of drywall and concrete, which would have been noticed, and once more, someone among the thousands working in the towers would have asked questions or talked to someone who would have made a big deal of it.

IN OTHER WORDS MORONS, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE OPERATION TO PLACE EXPLOSIVE CHARGES FOR A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OR THE PAINTING OF SUPER THERMITE ON THESE STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED.

I am sure that if explosives and detonator cables were noticed, people would have gotten a wee bit worried and gotten the hell out of the building refusing to return.



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 9:32:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
why was that area so focussed upon in Led Zepplin - Song Remains The Same ?  (Stairway To Heaven video) And who cares ?

Good question. You may be onto something.



willbeurdaddy -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 9:35:09 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
why was that area so focussed upon in Led Zepplin - Song Remains The Same ?  (Stairway To Heaven video) And who cares ?

Good question. You may be onto something.


You must have meant "on something". Or maybe in his case "Off something" he's supposed to be on.



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 9:52:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Ask your local demo company of a scale of 1 - 10 how perfectly 7 came down and they will most likely give it a 11.  You need nothing short of the highest grade pyro to accomplish that kind of precision.

Or an incredibly good architect who can accomplish the same without scarcely any explosive.

Here's a very short video about a free falling structure (single column support; no explosives used):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y96jGp417uU



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 10:18:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
1) It takes months to set up a controlled demolition of a building.   And it takes a large crew to set the explosive charges on supporting structures to bring the building down, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DRY WALL AND CONCRETE WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THOSE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS IN ORDER TO PLACE THE FUCKING CHARGES.

I am sure that some of the THOUSANDS of people working in the twin towers AND WTC 7 would have noticed this and said something about it.

I found the explosives in 1 and 2. (Scarcely any or none explosive was used to bring down 7). Indeed, it took lots of time to install the explosives and many noticed.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
2)  NONE OF THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED IN THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT.
If they had none of the other buildings that were destroyed by the collapsing buildings would have been damaged.  IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE ST. NICHOLAS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED.

Semantics. [8|]

Let's be realistic: Any demolition expert would have been extremely content to have brought down 1, 2 and 7 on a single day as nicely as they did collapse. I admire the beauty of this precision engineering. The aesthetically pleasing way those buildings collapsed was pure beauty.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
3)  Super thermite, the substance that was supposedly painted on various supporting steel structures was in very LIMITED supply in 2001, and the amount needed for the destruction of BOTH towers did not exist.  In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminum particles required for super thermite required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material was limited.

It is only been in recent years that the production of super thermite has exceeded 100kg/month.

So it wasn't super thermite. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Again to "paint" this substance on the various supporting steel structures would require the removal of drywall and concrete, which would have been noticed, and once more, someone among the thousands working in the towers would have asked questions or talked to someone who would have made a big deal of it.

IN OTHER WORDS MORONS, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE OPERATION TO PLACE EXPLOSIVE CHARGES FOR A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OR THE PAINTING OF SUPER THERMITE ON THESE STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED.

I am sure that if explosives and detonator cables were noticed, people would have gotten a wee bit worried and gotten the hell out of the building refusing to return.

People are easily fooled. Ask any magician or con man.



Termyn8or -> RE: There was a plane! (8/16/2011 11:39:46 PM)

And watch this thread go down even faster.

T^T^T



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