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DeviantlyD -> RE: There was a plane, a train & an automobile! (8/17/2011 4:07:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule

I am glad not to suffer from a lack of paranoia, thank you.


*giggles*

Edited for topic title. :D




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 5:47:27 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

pictures of houses on their footprint from tornado angular momentum in a straight or jagged line force but they dropped in their footprint, straight down.

Explain why they dropped on their footprint, (remember external and extraordinary forces at work here)...not tipped over.

Natural? Free Fall?

[image]local://upfiles/61037/49297C7DD94E47C0849E2D04FF66C193.jpg[/image]



were they smashed or did they collapse?

We get no where when you continually change the subject, care to stick to the subject now?




I am not changing the subject, I am dead on it, only you are changing the subject. I have asked you for physics laws that say a building must fall out of its footprint in either 'natural' or 'unnatural' circumstance. These did not fall sideways, ergo id est, there is no physical law that says a building must free fall at a topple, the simple act of releasing a ball from your hand shows that things can fall more or less straight down. Many here have sat in a chair only to have it collapse straight down.

so, I am not at all in agreement with your conclusion so far. and your statements that introduce concepts not agreed to under physics when we agree to base physics are not going to be ignored.





Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 7:21:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
1) It takes months to set up a controlled demolition of a building.   And it takes a large crew to set the explosive charges on supporting structures to bring the building down, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DRY WALL AND CONCRETE WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THOSE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS IN ORDER TO PLACE THE FUCKING CHARGES.

I am sure that some of the THOUSANDS of people working in the twin towers AND WTC 7 would have noticed this and said something about it.

Termy believes the buildings were built with the demolition charges integrated whilst Rule believes an explosive the side of his fingernail brought down Tower 7, which led me to speculate if Rule's fingernail is grotesquely oversized! [:D]

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2)  NONE OF THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED IN THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT.
If they had none of the other buildings that were destroyed by the collapsing buildings would have been damaged.  IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE ST. NICHOLAS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED.

Conspiracists describe all the buildings as textbook controlled demolitions. None of the Towers imploded into their own footprints. Allt he other WTC towers were destroyed. Not to mention Tower 7 caused serious damage to the Deutsche Bank Building, the Verizon Building, and World Financial Center and others. The cost of repair was immense. The substantial damage to the Verizon building alone cost 1.4 billion alone to repair http://newyork.construction.com/projects/TopProjects04/Verizon.asp

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3)  Super thermite, the substance that was supposedly painted on various supporting steel structures was in very LIMITED supply in 2001, and the amount needed for the destruction of BOTH towers did not exist.  In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminum particles required for super thermite required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material was limited.

It is only been in recent years that the production of super thermite has exceeded 100kg/month.

Again to "paint" this substance on the various supporting steel structures would require the removal of drywall and concrete, which would have been noticed, and once more, someone among the thousands working in the towers would have asked questions or talked to someone who would have made a big deal of it.

IN OTHER WORDS MORONS, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE OPERATION TO PLACE EXPLOSIVE CHARGES FOR A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OR THE PAINTING OF SUPER THERMITE ON THESE STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED.

I am sure that if explosives and detonator cables were noticed, people would have gotten a wee bit worried and gotten the hell out of the building refusing to return.

The Thermite claims are also absurd because if Thermite was used, the further application of explosives which they also claim were used, would not only become redundant but counter-productive to any supposed effort to perform a fake 9/11: http://www.debunking911.com/moltensteel.htm while the brief molten flow seen was likely aluminium and oxides incl glass.


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ORIGINAL: Rule
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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
2) NONE OF THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED IN THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT.
If they had none of the other buildings that were destroyed by the collapsing buildings would have been damaged. IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE ST. NICHOLAS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED.

Semantics. [8|]

Let's be realistic: Any demolition expert would have been extremely content to have brought down 1, 2 and 7 on a single day as nicely as they did collapse. I admire the beauty of this precision engineering. The aesthetically pleasing way those buildings collapsed was pure beauty.

So I expect the gubermint team tasked with the immense organisation of a faked 9/11 event couldn't afford more than one demolition expert? I credited Rule with a lively imagination but he can't even make it convincing within its own loony logic. [sm=biggrin.gif]




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 7:41:37 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
1) It takes months to set up a controlled demolition of a building.   And it takes a large crew to set the explosive charges on supporting structures to bring the building down, NOT TO MENTION THAT THE DRY WALL AND CONCRETE WOULD HAVE TO BE REMOVED FROM THOSE STRUCTURAL SUPPORTS IN ORDER TO PLACE THE FUCKING CHARGES.

I am sure that some of the THOUSANDS of people working in the twin towers AND WTC 7 would have noticed this and said something about it.

I found the explosives in 1 and 2. (Scarcely any or none explosive was used to bring down 7). Indeed, it took lots of time to install the explosives and many noticed.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
2)  NONE OF THE BUILDINGS COLLAPSED IN THEIR OWN FOOTPRINT.
If they had none of the other buildings that were destroyed by the collapsing buildings would have been damaged.  IN OTHER WORDS YOU IDIOTS, THE MARRIOTT HOTEL AND THE ST. NICHOLAS GREEK ORTHODOX CHURCH WOULD HAVE BEEN LEFT UNTOUCHED.

Semantics. [8|]

Let's be realistic: Any demolition expert would have been extremely content to have brought down 1, 2 and 7 on a single day as nicely as they did collapse. I admire the beauty of this precision engineering. The aesthetically pleasing way those buildings collapsed was pure beauty.

quote:

ORIGINAL: jlf1961
3)  Super thermite, the substance that was supposedly painted on various supporting steel structures was in very LIMITED supply in 2001, and the amount needed for the destruction of BOTH towers did not exist.  In 2002, the production of nano-sized aluminum particles required for super thermite required considerable effort, and commercial sources for the material was limited.

It is only been in recent years that the production of super thermite has exceeded 100kg/month.

So it wasn't super thermite. [8|]

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Again to "paint" this substance on the various supporting steel structures would require the removal of drywall and concrete, which would have been noticed, and once more, someone among the thousands working in the towers would have asked questions or talked to someone who would have made a big deal of it.

IN OTHER WORDS MORONS, THERE IS NO WAY IN HELL THAT THE OPERATION TO PLACE EXPLOSIVE CHARGES FOR A CONTROLLED DEMOLITION OR THE PAINTING OF SUPER THERMITE ON THESE STRUCTURES WOULD HAVE GONE UNNOTICED.

I am sure that if explosives and detonator cables were noticed, people would have gotten a wee bit worried and gotten the hell out of the building refusing to return.

People are easily fooled. Ask any magician or con man.


if you wanna see fucktards and ass hats come out of the woodwork discuss this:



[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/Bassackwardsvaporized1.jpg[/image]








Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 7:49:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

I am not changing the subject, I am dead on it, only you are changing the subject. I have asked you for physics laws that say a building must fall out of its footprint in either 'natural' or 'unnatural' circumstance. These did not fall sideways, ergo id est, there is no physical law that says a building must free fall at a topple, the simple act of releasing a ball from your hand shows that things can fall more or less straight down. Many here have sat in a chair only to have it collapse straight down.

so, I am not at all in agreement with your conclusion so far. and your statements that introduce concepts not agreed to under physics when we agree to base physics are not going to be ignored.





did the roofline with exception of the initial kink descend and remain virtually parallel with the earth and uniformly in its course to the ground.

yes or no


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/SMALL_wtc-7_1_.gif[/image]

or choose any video you wish




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 7:56:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

You really should read up on the "psychology of conspiracy theorists" with sources from google.

You might remember that Alex Jones has often ranted about "FEMA Concentration Camps" which these individuals believe in as well.



John Kennedy was scared of secret societies, talked about them in his speech and he was assassinated.

I am sure in your mind that is merely a coincidence.




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 8:00:46 AM)

did the roofline with exception of the initial kink (dont know what you mean kink).

descend (not even a reactionary would say it ascended).



and remain virtually parallel (virtually, yes exactly no)

with the earth (anything upright is virtually parallel to the earth, otherwise it would be akimbo or catawompus to the earth or some other word, parallel has a specific meaning, as does virtually (which is near to apparant without investigation and proofs)


and uniformly (what is the meaning of and uniformly here?) uniformly parallel? (nope). Uniformly descending? (nope).



in its course to the ground. it went to ground, yes.

so, since you do not ask a yes or no question, and it is worded in specific (to you) language, and indeed it is a complex question, the complex answer is no.







Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 8:02:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

In a shot that conveniently obscures everything happening below it. No evidence??? Just 30 floor sections that laid out instead of falling straigth down.

Who do you think youre fooling with all of this bullshit? The thread is being continued so we can enjoy laughing at your delusions.


you have no rational explanation for what you just said.  If you think you do surprise me.  LOL

Since most of that I put up was NIST then you are claiming that NIST is the source of my delusions.

Trust me they are not.  I see through all their bullshit as well as acknowledge what they say that is factual.



see that is called doubletalk, like anax robocutnpaste when you believe 2 contradicting, conflicting theories at the same time to be true.




angelikaJ -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 8:20:05 AM)

Building 7:
http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm 




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 9:30:08 AM)

Does demolition remove or impair supporting structure to the point of failure.

yes or no




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 9:33:03 AM)

if done correctly......... yes, as do many other things.




ModTwentyOne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 9:47:31 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

Enough is enough, and I have previously submerged myself sufficiently long in the 911 case to last me a very long time indeed.


And yet, 27 pages later, you are still posting about it.

Mod21




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 10:00:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

if done correctly......... yes, as do many other things.


State the "other things".

3 best examples will do.




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 10:08:21 AM)

not in the form of a yes/no. shifting and changing rules again?




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 11:09:33 AM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

not in the form of a yes/no. shifting and changing rules again?


you said other things, therefore establish what other things or retract that part of your statement




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 11:16:24 AM)

raging fires all day, debris falling and ruining the superstructure, power plant equipment exploding, grain dust. Many many other things.

I will then assume anything I have said to you that you have not offered proofs of to meet my questions, or anything I have said to this point that you have not specifically found a credible citation rebuttal for is to be ignored.

Since you hold yourself as expert witness, so do I, and may answer beyond yes or no as I please, not as you please.




Raiikun -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 11:46:06 AM)

I've seen the proof that the planes existed, and crashed into the towers.

No, I will not provide them.




Anaxagoras -> RE: There was a plane... wrapped in tinfoil! (8/17/2011 12:03:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Since most of that I put up was NIST then you are claiming that NIST is the source of my delusions.

No what R0 put up repeatedly was David Asswipe Chandler interpreting NIST, and doing so extremely dishonestly, e.g. measuring the collapse of WTC7 from the West not the East.

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see that is called doubletalk, like anax robocutnpaste when you believe 2 contradicting, conflicting theories at the same time to be true.

This is comical from the guy who pasted the same question to me repeatedly, whilst ignoring my answers, the same R0 who pastes up the same Chandler links time and time again. [sm=biggrin.gif]

None of what I put up contradicts itself, certainly nothing R0 said in reply proved that anyway. In fact R0 has contradicted himself repeatedly such as in post 371 where he insisted the building went down in free-fall but then claimed "It does not matter if it took the building a year to fall". Free-fall has a predictable speed from a height, the time of which is calculated.



quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne
quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail
I am not changing the subject, I am dead on it, only you are changing the subject. I have asked you for physics laws that say a building must fall out of its footprint in either 'natural' or 'unnatural' circumstance. These did not fall sideways, ergo id est, there is no physical law that says a building must free fall at a topple, the simple act of releasing a ball from your hand shows that things can fall more or less straight down. Many here have sat in a chair only to have it collapse straight down.

so, I am not at all in agreement with your conclusion so far. and your statements that introduce concepts not agreed to under physics when we agree to base physics are not going to be ignored.

did the roofline with exception of the initial kink descend and remain virtually parallel with the earth and uniformly in its course to the ground.

yes or no

No it didn't. It is well known the building fell from East to West. The initial failure of structural support was in the East area of floors 8 to 14 (principally around column 79) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Wtc7_collapse_progression.png which explains why the Eastern penthouse collapsed into the roof first, and how the slope of the fall was to the south-east. There are pictures of it three-quarters of the way down the page that Angelika posted up earlier, which R0 ignored: http://www.debunking911.com/pull.htm




mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane... wrapped in tinfoil! (8/17/2011 12:25:05 PM)

yeah, and my trouble with virtual......it fell in its footprint 'virtually' meaning it did not topple over to New Jersey, or Wilmington Delaware, or even as far as harlem, it stayed in the plaza.

But it did not fall in demo fashion, it had a good sized radius.




Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/17/2011 1:03:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

raging fires all day, debris falling and ruining the superstructure, power plant equipment exploding, grain dust. Many many other things.

I will then assume anything I have said to you that you have not offered proofs of to meet my questions, or anything I have said to this point that you have not specifically found a credible citation rebuttal for is to be ignored.

Since you hold yourself as expert witness, so do I, and may answer beyond yes or no as I please, not as you please.



Do you have any exhibits to support the means that you listed as being the cause of structural failure of wtc7.

yes or no

if yes provide the exhibits and field data






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