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angelikaJ -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:08:48 PM)

There is no cause for glee and to declare you won.

Parts of the plane were within the crater that was formed in the destabilised earth: 8-10 feet deep and 30-50 ft wide. Other parts were outside the crater as noted, tiny plane fragments were found 1.5 miles away and debris from the crash was found up to 8 miles away.

Rule,
You don't believe this.

I do know someone who knew some of the people on one of the first 2 planes. Their death changed him and the people who knew them.
It was a very personal tragedy for the company they worked for, and each of the people who died that day were a part of other very personal tragedies.

You don't believe this.

All the people whose loved ones died that day, wish it wasn't true.
The man you met from New York, his father wishes it wasn't true too.

They all wish you were right; that somehow a magician pulled off some huge illusion.

The public safety workers and volunteers who became ill from breathing in the fumes from the fires wish you were right.

The people who witnessed people jumping from the buildings and have nightmares, wish you were right.

It was no grand illusion.






Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:10:29 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

I don't know if the photos you are showing are of crashes on a site that had been previously stripmined as you did not say when and what crashes they are.
Most planes that crash attempt emergency landing procedures.
This one varied widely from that.
This one hit at a 40 degree, nose down inverted altitude at a speed of 563 mph (which is actually over 870 fps).

It appears my common sense is distubing you.
If my posts bother you, you are free to hide me.



the problem with nonphysics types.  You really did not grasp what my post means because it shows what you said to be meaningless.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Yes, one engine was found buried beneath the earth at the crash site.

The plane was traveling at over 500 mph (750 feet per second+) and the land it impacted was not "normal" ground. It had been previously stripmined.
The fan for the other engine was found in a catchment basin, just over 300 yards south.


then you have the added problem of the sectional density of an engine compared to a bullet, in which the sectional density of a bullet is many many times that of an engine rotor and a 300 grain bullet at 2000+ ft/sec will only go in a little over a foot+ in sand.

Translated that means that the part of the rotor shown even if it hit perpendicular to the earth would be laying on top of the ground and the dirt beneath it blown to the side like a comet strike.

I digress



willbeurdaddy -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:13:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

Are you certain that you are a natural slave? I expect higher cognitive functions from a genuine natural slave.


Are you certain youre human and not a failed attempt at a Turing machine?



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:24:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Actually, Rule has never provided proof of anything

See?

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
He even claims to have investigated every eyewitness and proved they all lied about what they said they saw concerning the impacts of the planes in the WTC and the Pentagon.

Which is a blatant lie on his part.

It has been a while. I did rather thoroughly investigate the Pentagon "I saw a plane" witnesses and testimonies.

I also did investigate a small number of New York "I saw a plane fly into the tower" witnesses, but my focus was on the planes and some of their passengers, rather than on New York. As for New York I was more interested in the towers 1 & 2 and in those allegedly dying in them who in truth walked away.



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:28:46 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
Are you certain youre human and not a failed attempt at a Turing machine?

Oops! [:-] I have been found out. Pray tell: what gave me away?



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:34:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Parts of the plane were within the crater that was formed in the destabilised earth: 8-10 feet deep and 30-50 ft wide. Other parts were outside the crater as noted, tiny plane fragments were found 1.5 miles away and debris from the crash was found up to 8 miles away.


do the math, there is nothing on a plane that can do that at 750ft/sec

you are talking mark8,9 - 16 inch 1 ton naval round at 2600+ ft/sec to make that kind of a hole.

They are fibbing you.


Isnt it amazing how arrogant blatantly obvious they lie to us?

I do not think there is any such thing as destabalized earth either btw





Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:43:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
I do know someone who knew some of the people on one of the first 2 planes. Their death changed him and the people who knew them.
It was a very personal tragedy for the company they worked for, and each of the people who died that day were a part of other very personal tragedies.

Ah, an opportunity to acquire specific information?

These are my starter questions:
So when were these 'some of the people on one of the first 2 planes" last seen alive? By whom, and who were they? Full details, please, including birth marks. Also the same details about their relatives, preferably up to three centuries back. What were their hobbies and interests? Were they members of secret societies or services? And what about their friends and their education?



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:52:51 PM)

I dunno why she so adamantly asserts that a plane crashed there. Perhaps she saw some simulation and that took root in her mind?

Are you somehow convinced that you were present there and witnessed what happened there, angelikaJ? Let me desillusion you: you were not there; you did not witness anything. You are merely parroting what you want to believe.

I know for a fact that no plane crashed there.



jlf1961 -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 2:57:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Are you certain that you are a natural slave? I expect higher cognitive functions from a genuine natural slave.


Are you certain youre human and not a failed attempt at a Turing machine?


As normal, when rule, realone and pahunk cant prove anything with facts, they result to personal attacks.

Of course, considering that they have no facts to back up their claims and resort to quoting debunked conspiracy sites and videos, it has reached the point where these types of threads should be deleted by the mods and posters of these topics should be treated accordingly.



angelikaJ -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 3:06:27 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Parts of the plane were within the crater that was formed in the destabilised earth: 8-10 feet deep and 30-50 ft wide. Other parts were outside the crater as noted, tiny plane fragments were found 1.5 miles away and debris from the crash was found up to 8 miles away.


do the math, there is nothing on a plane that can do that at 750ft/sec

you are talking mark8,9 - 16 inch 1 ton naval round at 2600+ ft/sec to make that kind of a hole.

They are fibbing you.


Isnt it amazing how arrogant blatantly obvious they lie to us?

I do not think there is any such thing as destabalized earth either btw





The conversion of 563 mph to fps = (hint http://www.unitarium.com/speed ); I'll wait.

And to understand why that ground was different you would have to understand the process of stripmining and what happens when they are done with it.



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 3:12:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
As normal, when rule, realone and pahunk cant prove anything with facts, they result to personal attacks.

You mean 'resort'.

I do not recall pahunkboy ever resorting to personal attacks, but maybe my recollection fails me. I never resort to personal attacks.

And I do think that RealOne has rather well behaved himself in this thread.

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961
Of course, considering that they have no facts to back up their claims and resort to quoting debunked conspiracy sites and videos

I object to these allegations in as much as they are directed at me by inclusion.



angelikaJ -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 3:13:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

34 fucking pages?

thir...ty...four...fuc...king...pages?

[8|]

sweet mother mary's milky tits, this is insanity!!



[sm=thanks.gif]
You were right the first time.



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 3:24:28 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
And to understand why that ground was different you would have to understand the process of stripmining and what happens when they are done with it.

Yeah: they always end up with a hole that they dump a lot of plane debris in. Your argument would have been ten thousand times stronger if it concerned pristine ground instead of ground that demonstrably was tampered with in the sense of not being pristine.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 4:54:42 PM)

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ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

quote:

ORIGINAL: Real0ne

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ

Parts of the plane were within the crater that was formed in the destabilised earth: 8-10 feet deep and 30-50 ft wide. Other parts were outside the crater as noted, tiny plane fragments were found 1.5 miles away and debris from the crash was found up to 8 miles away.


do the math, there is nothing on a plane that can do that at 750ft/sec

you are talking mark8,9 - 16 inch 1 ton naval round at 2600+ ft/sec to make that kind of a hole.

They are fibbing you.


Isnt it amazing how arrogant blatantly obvious they lie to us?

I do not think there is any such thing as destabalized earth either btw





The conversion of 563 mph to fps = (hint http://www.unitarium.com/speed ); I'll wait.

And to understand why that ground was different you would have to understand the process of stripmining and what happens when they are done with it.


yeh and it has no bearing on the problem.  

Thanks for cute calculator site but I do that simple shit in my head lol

maybe the navy dropped one out there, that would be more plausible LOL






Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 4:57:18 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

quote:

ORIGINAL: angelikaJ
And to understand why that ground was different you would have to understand the process of stripmining and what happens when they are done with it.

Yeah: they always end up with a hole that they dump a lot of plane debris in. Your argument would have been ten thousand times stronger if it concerned pristine ground instead of ground that demonstrably was tampered with in the sense of not being pristine.



yeh ever heard of destabilized ground?  LOL

Now if it was a marsh or swamp that would be understandable



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/21/2011 5:04:04 PM)

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ORIGINAL: jlf1961

quote:

ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


quote:

ORIGINAL: Rule

Are you certain that you are a natural slave? I expect higher cognitive functions from a genuine natural slave.


Are you certain youre human and not a failed attempt at a Turing machine?


As normal, when rule, realone and pahunk cant prove anything with facts, they result to personal attacks.

Of course, considering that they have no facts to back up their claims and resort to quoting debunked conspiracy sites and videos, it has reached the point where these types of threads should be deleted by the mods and posters of these topics should be treated accordingly.



nist admitted it was a freefall and global freefall can only be accomplished by demolition.

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/WTC7Compare.gif[/image]



dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that it freefell



if that aint good enough nist both admits it and puts it in a graph

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/nist003A1.jpg[/image]



Termyn8or -> RE: There was a plane! (8/22/2011 12:50:02 AM)

I give up.

I know how a brick building works and I know the shit about when it has steel in it. When you demolish a builing there are certain things. Alot of things. Things that nobody would ever think of, but they must be thunk about. Sorry to use those technical terms.

I can't explain it in text, I would have to build a model because all the paper in the world can't even get those thousand words right as a picture, and the picture doesn't mean shit campared to being there. Make a mockup model, that's what I would do to prove your point. Do it. If you are smart enough you can. Get the prints, scale it down and do it. Build a scale model.

And then you will have proven your point.

Which is what ?

T^T



Rule -> RE: There was a plane! (8/22/2011 1:41:36 AM)

Why go to all that trouble? Simply look at all the funny things that were happening and rely on parts of the analyses by experts such as those from NIST.

As to people who assert that they saw a plane fly into one of the towers, I have argued that they were fooled by their own brain into believing that this 0.02 seconds event happened. I even referred to the gorilla basketball experiment during which people's brains were fooled for far and far longer.

I have yet to receive an acknowledgement that my argument is valid and that these eye-witness testimonies of a plane flying into a tower cannot be relied upon.



Real0ne -> RE: There was a plane! (8/22/2011 7:53:33 AM)

NIST claimed that fire took out column 79 and the whole damn thing is an elaborate fiction.

Official story tellers and defenders ALWAYS point out all that damage to the facade, and NIST claims fire weakened column 79 causing column 79 to fail which was supposed to cause the rest to fail, and there is NO damage anywhere near column 79 and NO FIRE anywhere near column 79 as can be seen in the photos.  

Like the greater majority of history et al, its all bullshit and you all been fooled by the gubafia! 

But it is after all the "Official Story" and that will after all become "History" and the lies that will be taught to your children as fact! 

Therefore it MUST BE TWU! *and anyone who says otherwise 50 years from now is a fuckin conspiracy theorist!*  yeh!  Crime lovers of america speak out!  kill em all let God sort em out!  Do the world a favor!  fuckin paranoid delusional conspiracy theorists!

yeh!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/wtc7column79nofire-.jpg[/image]


but thats ok.  just because they lied about nearly everything does not mean that the rest is not twu!

after all we saw it on tv!


[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/holethatwasntthere.jpg[/image]

shock and awe upon the american people.

same thing with bulding 2, the news continued playing earlier shots of the fires but the reality is they were literally no fires left when the building came down as the sprinklers were working.

Overtime!  Even on floors with no fire.  Hmmm....

the fuckin traitors

The water was over an inch++ deep pouring down the stairs the survivors went down!

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/wtcwaterrunningdownstairsfromsprink.jpg[/image]


american public = not to brite






mnottertail -> RE: There was a plane! (8/22/2011 8:26:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
nist admitted it was a freefall and global freefall can only be accomplished by demolition.

neither of these statements are true.


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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

[image]http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o296/nine_one_one/WTC7Compare.gif[/image]

dont need to be a rocket scientist to see that it freefell


In each case even though those buildings are several stories taller, and there is no evidence that they were brought down by explosives, you will note that they beat the WTC7 to the ground.

Thanks for the graphic depiction of the difference.




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