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Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/8/2011 8:40:22 PM   
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So i am curious if others share these same perceptions or experience that i do:

If i am alone with my Owner, then being nude is enjoyable and being restrained is part of our landscape. If i am with others, then being nude is incredibly stressful and anxiety producing. Oddly, i'm thinking, i find great comfort in being restrained if in the presence of others making easier than if i'm not restrained. Even more so, if i'm alone then being caged is a challenge but if i'm with others, being caged protects me as much as it restrains me. It just seems that there's some cognitive dissonance here and i wonder if others have similar experience.
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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/9/2011 2:34:55 AM   
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not played in public so no idea how i would feel but i can go to saunas and nudist beaches with no problems

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/9/2011 3:39:57 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: notsomuch

So i am curious if others share these same perceptions or experience that i do:

If i am alone with my Owner, then being nude is enjoyable and being restrained is part of our landscape. If i am with others, then being nude is incredibly stressful and anxiety producing. Oddly, i'm thinking, i find great comfort in being restrained if in the presence of others making easier than if i'm not restrained. Even more so, if i'm alone then being caged is a challenge but if i'm with others, being caged protects me as much as it restrains me. It just seems that there's some cognitive dissonance here and i wonder if others have similar experience.


I think you're describing different headspaces relative to choices....

This is a bit long-winded but background is relevant.

Bondage is the physical manifestation of control over my submissive. One of the primary (bondage) lessons I teach her is that there'll be no half-hearted nonsense about how she's not allowed to untie herself, assuming she can. When I apply the ropes, I tie her up like I mean it and she can do anything she wants to try and free herself (except ask... lol) and if she does get loose, that'd be *my* failure that needs fixing, not hers.... Indeed, part of her early training will be me driving and demanding that she free herself, just to emphasise who's really in control when she ultimately fails.

From then on, the girl knows once I apply the ropes, she's not going anywhere until *I* decide. This has the effect of pushing her into early sub-space from the moment she realises my intent to bind her - that she's no longer in a position to make choices. If you're naked in public and not bound etc, then it's natural to be conscious of your modesty and vulnerability and of course you feel stressed etc. And you'd likely choose to flee or cover/protect yourself in some way.

But if you're bound and been taught there's nothing you can do about unbinding yourself, you instinctively slide into acceptance that you have no choice or power to change your situation and you "let go" - let it all go....

I'm not into public play whatsoever so I'm not really getting your "caged" scenario.... By "alone", you mean not even your dom is present? My experience is that subs will become stressed if they're restrained in some way and left entirely alone - that they need the security of being watched over in order to truly relax and enjoy their lack of choices.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/9/2011 4:32:49 AM   
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My experience is that subs will become stressed if they're restrained in some way and left entirely alone
I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty damn sure that that is applicable to anybody, not just subs. 

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/9/2011 6:17:51 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Focus50

I think you're describing different
headspaces relative to choices....

But if you're bound and been taught there's nothing you can do about
unbinding yourself, you instinctively slide into acceptance that you have
no choice or power to change your situation and you "let go" - let it all go....

Focus.



Indeed. I find this same ability to let go when blindfolded as well.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/9/2011 9:08:25 AM   
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Having never been bound in public, no clue. In private, I enjoy bondage. Having him tie me up isn't a lesson in control, it's something pleasurable. But of course, he's never abandoned me like that.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/10/2011 12:30:09 AM   
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I can't really offer much of an opinion here because while I'm to be nude or in  my chain outfit lol, most of the time when Master is home I'm not expected to be naked 24/7 because He understands that for us that's not realistic I guess, that and He likes me to feel comfortable sometimes, which means a pair of track pants and singlet...lol, though never allowed to wear knickers, bra sometimes only because of my size erm, up top, it's needed on occasion but only when were out of the house.

My body is for His eyes only too, so I'm never to be naked in front of others, except if I have another female sub around to play with of course, He won't even touch another sub sexually but He will check in on us and hurt her, if of course that's what she wants.

If though, this is what your being instructed to do, my best suggestion I guess is to try to focus on the fact that your pleasing him...focus on your submissive nature and try to feel the beauty in this, I can imagine it would be very stressful but not from any experience, either way I wish you luck and maybe, try talking to him, tell him how this makes you feel and see if he has any suggestions? he may not even be aware it makes you feel so badly.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/10/2011 5:34:08 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

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My experience is that subs will become stressed if they're restrained in some way and left entirely alone
I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty damn sure that that is applicable to anybody, not just subs. 


I've never had an issue with being locked in a cage and left while my Owner went to talk with other doms or something of the sort...I've always found it safe and peaceful.

To the OP, for me the moment I got over it was just when I began to focus exclusively on my Owner and his pleasure. I didn't care what anyone else thought, other than him. And then when I relaxed and saw all the people that wanted to watch us with me being naked, I realized that they thought I was beautiful. It becamse easy from there.

Just try to not over-think, and go with what he wants. Good luck to you!

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/11/2011 1:59:12 AM   
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Greetings

I like being naked, in fact I am naked right now. When I am at home I am usually naked, not due to any order but because I like it, I put on clothes so I will not offend others, not because I feel a great need to myself.

Being restrained do make me feel safe and secure, however I never have been in the presence of others.

I wish you well


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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/11/2011 4:55:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Arpig

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My experience is that subs will become stressed if they're restrained in some way and left entirely alone
I'm not 100% certain, but I'm pretty damn sure that that is applicable to anybody, not just subs. 


In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs>

Trying a little too hard for relevance now, don't ya think...? None of that 30 years of "Dungeon Master" experience to share with the OP?

Nothing at all? Big surprise.... pffft

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/12/2011 6:22:36 PM   
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I like being naked, I am most of the time. When I am in public, I'm generally wearing something very revealing, I like showing off, I'm a hottie and that won't last, so I'm going to enjoy it while it does. I also like being restrained, and it doesn't bother me if others see me. Of course it has never really been total strangers, so I'm not sure how that would be.

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In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs>
That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 5:18:11 AM   
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quote:

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In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained.... <shrugs>
That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover.


At 56yrs old, you'll just have to take my word for it that I've pretty much worked out my "horizons". Of course, to put it in a way you'll likely relate better to; I'm 37 years past the old bumper-sticker adage of "Hire a teenager now, while they still know *everything*"! Based on the familiar Hannah/Heather theme expressed here (there's only 2 ways - our way and the wrong way), I'm guessing you're not much past.... 20? <shrugs>

And a little fyi on the sentence context you quoted. Judging from a number of his posts in the past month or so, Arpig has appointed himself as my serial stalker. He makes with the petulance, I retort, he needs to be somewhere else, apparently....

The aforementioned "my world" includes these CM discussion boards. The advice I gave here is relative to D/s and the OP's question. See, it's not all about me - one of those many horizons I long figured out.

If you wanna ponder "sad", go find Arpig.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 5:27:22 AM   
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quote:

That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover.


Sorry Heather but while it might be that way in your relationship with Hanners, in general it IS only the S-type who gets restrained.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 6:55:55 AM   
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*skips the bickering and goes back to the OP's post*

I've done private/public nudity/humiliation and crossdressing both private/public and even crossdressing in a vanilla environment. I find that when I am with other lifestylers (be it swingers or bdsm) I am completely comfortable whether I'm wearing something stupid, being naked, or have a wig and a mini skirt on.

HOWEVER, when it goes into the vanilla eye, I find it extremely uncomfortable and disorienting. I'm a bit of humiliation whore but haven't been able to master doing it around non lifestylers just yet. So I relate to your feelings.

As far as being restrained goes. I feel more natural when I'm restrained then otherwise, so it makes perfect sense to me that you feel more comfortable in a restrained state as opposed to non restrained.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 7:45:22 AM   
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I couldn't even imagine the thought of Master being restrained. <cringe>.  If he said to me one day that he wanted to be restrained I don't think I could ever view him in the same way. I would wonder who stole his mind.

Sorry but Focus is right on this one. For most into bdsm this is the way it is unless the couple are switches or tops/bottoms/fetishists/kink players.



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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 7:49:41 AM   
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At 56yrs old, you'll just have to take my word for it that I've pretty much worked out my "horizons". Of course, to put it in a way you'll likely relate better to; I'm 37 years past the old bumper-sticker adage of "Hire a teenager now, while they still know *everything*"! Based on the familiar Hannah/Heather theme expressed here (there's only 2 ways - our way and the wrong way), I'm guessing you're not much past.... 20? <shrugs>
Let's take a look at who said what, and see who made the absolute my way/wrong way statement shall we?

You said: "In my world, subs are the only ones who get restrained." OK, That's pretty unequivocal, there is no allowance for anything but subs being bound, thereby dismissing all dominant bottoms and switches.

I said: "That's actually a rather sad commentary on how narrow and limited a world you live in. My Domme gets restrained quite regularly. You really should try to expand your horizons a little, you'd be surprised at how much you will discover." No, nothing exclusionary or about having to do anything one way or another.

So your first point is untrue. Obviously a clumsy attempt to deflect what I said by throwing in a red herring and trying to make it seem like I was the one making the unreasonable all-or-nothing statement, when in fact it was you who did so.

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And a little fyi on the sentence context you quoted. Judging from a number of his posts in the past month or so, Arpig has appointed himself as my serial stalker. He makes with the petulance, I retort, he needs to be somewhere else, apparently....
OK, Let's take the context. You made a statement, he replied with a joke. <A joke is usually what is implied by adding the laughing face at the end of a remark> And you replied back with your absolute. It seems you take Arpig's presence on a thread far more seriously than does anybody, including Arpig. Along with expanding your horizons, I would strongly suggest you learn to lighten up a little. It will help you deal with life's little bumps. and at your age you really do need to be careful about your blood pressure.

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The aforementioned "my world" includes these CM discussion boards. The advice I gave here is relative to D/s and the OP's question. See, it's not all about me - one of those many horizons I long figured out.
Well, if your world does indeed include these boards, then your absolute statement is obviously wrong, as these boards do indeed include several non-subs who get restrained. And as far as things being all about you, well you certainly seem to think they are, based on your replies. You have taken a passing joke as part of some imagined stalking campaign. I can't be 100% certain, but I'm 99% certain, that nobody on these boards cares or thinks about you enough to bother stalking you, you just aren't that important. In fact, I'm pretty certain you're pretty much irrelevant to almost everybody on here.

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If you wanna ponder "sad", go find Arpig.
While there are several aspects of Arpig's life and views I find somewhat sad, I find your fixation on him even sadder. You are replying to me, not him, he has nothing to do with my remark to you, nor should he be relevant to your reply to me.

The only petulance I see in this whole exchange is yours in the post I'm replying to now. So far your response consists of:
~ I'm older than you.
~ You do worse things.
~ Arpig is picking on me.

I will, however, say that you are proving his penis remark to be very accurate. I wish I'd made it <I like being right>.

Now, before you reply back hastily and dig yourself deeper, I suggest you consider making a reply along the lines of "You're right, I was all butt hurt and just shot off my mouth without thinking".


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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 7:59:08 AM   
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quote:

Sorry Heather but while it might be that way in your relationship with Hanners, in general it IS only the S-type who gets restrained.

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Sorry but Focus is right on this one. For most into bdsm this is the way it is unless the couple are switches or tops/bottoms/fetishists/kink players.
Sorry to both of you, but he isn't right, and the reason he isn't right is included in both your statements.
He said that in his world only subs are restrained.
So by using the phrase "In my world" he is implying that any other opinion is simply fantasy. He is not saying that things are thus in his experience, but that things simply are thus. He makes no allowance for anything other than his view.
Then he continues with the point of his remark, that ONLY subs get restrained. Again, no allowance for anybody other than a sub being restrained.

So, what he is really saying is: Switches and dominant bottoms are imaginary.

Now, are either of you going to continue to maintain that he is right?

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 8:03:34 AM   
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he said in his world..not your world, not our world, not anyone else's world...but his world. Now if you mean that this website is his world lol....you could try and say that if you like but I have a feeling this isn't his world. I know this isn't my world, not even close.



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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 8:19:01 AM   
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little wonder is right, Focus was talking about HIS world and noone else's. Therefore what he does is what he does. Plus Hanners is a switch, right? So it makes sense that she would be restrained. Those who aren't switches, well it's highly unlikely that they are going to allow themselves to be restrained.

You are speaking from the point of view of being in a relationship with a switch. That is an entirely different thing than a relationship with a D-type. The way you are writing comes off a whole lot like my way is right, everyone else is wrong. You may want to watch that. I love ya lots Heather but in this case you are wrong.

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RE: Changing Perceptions: Of Nudity & Restraint - 8/13/2011 8:34:49 AM   
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Actually, one of my previous Dominants enjoyed a good cathartic release every now and then and would allow herself to be restrained in the process. She definitely did not identify herself as a switch. But, overall I would imagine there would be far less Top/Dominants/Daddies that would be restrained

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