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Slaveforlife789 -> Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 11:02:41 AM)
So what does everyone think about the unrest taking place in the Middle East; is it the end of dictatorships or the beginning of Islamic rule. Would liberals ever have a chance ruling in that part of the world. Egypt is still in trouble after months of toppling the regime, Syria is sliding into a civil war, Libya is technically destroyed…Just curious what people think?

mnottertail -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 11:16:34 AM)
It is not homogenous, there has been massive destabilizations taking place there since the beginning of the cold war, it is gonna take them some time to sort it out.

Slaveforlife789 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 11:27:07 AM)
Hopefully not many lives will be lost by then.

Lucylastic -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 12:36:20 PM)
You mean they werent islamic countries before the dictators?

MileHighM -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 12:40:44 PM)
They were Islamic countries often under the control of a secular dictator---Now headed towards a more iranian or taliban type deal---A theocracy of sorts.

Slaveforlife789 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 12:42:20 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic You mean they werent islamic countries before the dictators? of course not, Governments were not based on religion nor is the constitution, talking Tunisia, Egypt and Syria. the governments were secular, the society is another story. With the revolt, I think political Islam will take the lead at the Government level.

ashjor911 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 2:58:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM They were Islamic countries often under the control of a secular dictator---Now headed towards a more iranian or taliban type deal---A theocracy of sorts. PS: some (dictator) did increase the Islamic movment, in order to take out others, like when Mr. AL Sadat did, & they (Muslims brotherhood) did killed him after all. the thing now in the ME, is not about religion, its battel for power, & who will when..... we have to wait & see, the only thing I do not understand, how in the name os Zues, did they (dictator), killed so many people thingking its not going to humt them someday, Before Sadat there was (abdalNasser) & he did killed more than 2000 of Muslim brotherhood, & more than 30.000 in jail, after he died, they go out, taking revenge from the other person in his movment ( free officers ), I dont think they will rule Eygpt, or any other, the Liebirals who are making demonstrations in the street will never let them go away with this..... even if they rule for small period of time. If the People in Eygpt did not see fast movment to the best...... they will do it again. (alJazeerah) did aired this ( for the future presedent of Eygpt... if you dont take our demands in the eye of foucus..... we did take every one cell number..... its only a ring....)

slvemike4u -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:10:49 PM)
Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it?

Slaveforlife789 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:14:45 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it? Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first!

ashjor911 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:16:06 PM)
slvemike4u, You know where I live, Let me dont answere that ok..... for now at least.

ashjor911 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:21:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! Women in Saudi Arabia have much rights than me, I have called the Saudi Embassy where i live, & asked for the Saudi Cultural Attaché, there was a women in phone asking me did you send us the E-mail, they vote, they have their own play places, & work places. I know they may not drive themselfs, but its about the Society they live in. not about religon, In jordan they drive themselfs, whats the big deal?

Lucylastic -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:21:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it? Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! As the religious right are taking away womens rights in the US, it might be a good idea to practise what we preach, wouldnt youthink?

MileHighM -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:24:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it? Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! As the religious right are taking away womens rights in the US, it might be a good idea to practise what we preach, wouldnt youthink? Sorry Lucy, but how have women's rights in the US quantifiably been diminished in the past 20 years? I am not talking about rhetoric, but what has actually happened at the national level.???

Slaveforlife789 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:27:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ashjor911 quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! Women in Saudi Arabia have much rights than me, I have called the Saudi Embassy where i live, & asked for the Saudi Cultural Attaché, there was a women in phone asking me did you send us the E-mail, they vote, they have their own play places, & work places. I know they may not drive themselfs, but its about the Society they live in. not about religon, In jordan they drive themselfs, whats the big deal? Give me a break here; Saudis are not the best to speak about human rights: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia

slvemike4u -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:30:51 PM)
Nowhere in my post was there praise for the House of Saud...as a matter of fact the underlying thought behind the post was the disbelief that Saudi Arabia had publically condemned the killing.Sorry if my post was unclear.

Lucylastic -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:41:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it? Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! As the religious right are taking away womens rights in the US, it might be a good idea to practise what we preach, wouldnt youthink? Sorry Lucy, but how have women's rights in the US quantifiably been diminished in the past 20 years? I am not talking about rhetoric, but what has actually happened at the national level.??? oooooh, national level is only important?? really?? is it not being undermined in any way then??? ultra religious groups are arguing now about the (free) birth control issue, while it may not have caused anything but a row so far, but count just how many abortion related bills have been put up in states just in the last two years. Just because it isnt "national" is hardly the point. I see much of the religious right being worse. Get the fuck out of womens wombs before you can tell another country how they should run their religion. I am not a muslim, I am NOT in sympathy with them, I just wish people would take the bloody scales off their own eyes and see that they arent quite so bloody innocent themselves.

ashjor911 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:42:18 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 Give me a break here; Saudis are not the best to speak about human rights: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia I did gave you a break, & you went to see my profile, PS: I used to live their for 18 years ...... I was born there as well, So I will skip your link, & have what I have seen, What I have witness, sorry

Slaveforlife789 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:45:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: ashjor911 quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 Give me a break here; Saudis are not the best to speak about human rights: http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/countries/middle-east-and-north-africa/saudi-arabia I did gave you a break, & you went to see my profile, PS: I used to live their for 18 years ...... I was born there as well, So I will skip your link, & have what I have seen, What I have witness, sorry Not sure what you mean; I just hope no more people are killed in that part of the world

ashjor911 -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 3:48:08 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 Not sure what you mean; I just hope no more people are killed in that part of the world Amen to that brother

MileHighM -> RE: Middle East Unrest (8/9/2011 4:02:11 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: MileHighM quote: ORIGINAL: Lucylastic quote: ORIGINAL: Slaveforlife789 quote: ORIGINAL: slvemike4u Saudi Arabia calling on the Syrian government to stop the killing is a huge step.The House of Saud preaching moderation in the face of unrest...who would have thunk it? Myabe Saudi Arabia should give women basic human rights first! As the religious right are taking away womens rights in the US, it might be a good idea to practise what we preach, wouldnt youthink? Sorry Lucy, but how have women's rights in the US quantifiably been diminished in the past 20 years? I am not talking about rhetoric, but what has actually happened at the national level.??? oooooh, national level is only important?? really?? is it not being undermined in any way then??? ultra religious groups are arguing now about the (free) birth control issue, while it may not have caused anything but a row so far, but count just how many abortion related bills have been put up in states just in the last two years. Just because it isnt "national" is hardly the point. I see much of the religious right being worse. Get the fuck out of womens wombs before you can tell another country how they should run their religion. I am not a muslim, I am NOT in sympathy with them, I just wish people would take the bloody scales off their own eyes and see that they arent quite so bloody innocent themselves. Lucy, Take a deep breath, I am trying to have a conversation. You know I am no supporter of the thumper brigade----They can rot in hell. I would completely agree, if they managed to ban abortion. The debate over free state provided birth control is not a 'rights' debate, but an 'entitlement' debate very different. Sure there is an element of insanity in every society, and some are populous in one state than another. But, I don't see this a national trend. Just the flaillings of some loonies. All in all, the push in the US for women to have a more equitable shake in the workforce, etc. is marching on. We may not be perfect. However, it doesn't take three men and Imam to prove rape here. There is such disparity for women in the middle-east we can lecture while still resolving our own issues.

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