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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 2:23:04 PM

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i already pointed out that the bouncers don't put up with shit from the patrons, but that has fuck all to do with shit like a stripper or two oding here and there, or a bar fight. the ones doing the fighting get nabbed, but the bar continues on.

that and i kind of doubt you frequent the really seedy fucking joints. upscale places are a lot fucking different.

To be honest, never seen a seedy one here or in Germany, but yeah, Stringfellows is not that kind of seedy, most of the visits have actually been when I worked in the music biz and one of the musicians required a trip to a strip club, you'd think they'd bend the rules for a guy who's frequently on the charts and all that, but nope. The inside bit I know is from a girl I studied with and she worked as a stripper, she said she found it hilarious that guys would pay to watch her half naked when the beaches were full with fully naked great bodies, and the friend who worked as a bouncer in one, he told me that he couldn't even date one of the girls as it would have gotten them both fired. For any "adult establishment" it's kinda hard to get a permission, so they go through your past with a fine comb and it doesn't take many strikes and you're out, so any girl on substances is basically a thread to the club itself, she's an employee and to a certain degree the owner would be responsible if anything would be found on the premisses and on staff.
The funny thing is, that they have to be super careful of any sexual harassment suits, I think when I worked as a waitress next to uni, I possibly had to put up with more grabbing and managers coming on than most of the girls working as strippers, not sure how it is in the East European countries though, I think the rules are a bit less strict and you can buy more cops looking the other way, here there's a lot of pressure on politicians.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:12:53 PM

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Here in Canada, the no touching rule exists as well. At least on paper it exists.

It all depends on the place. one of the ripper bars I've been to here in town, if you so much as touch one of the girls, you'll be out the door in a flash, and probably on your way to the ER for stitches, at another one, you can stuff a fiver up her quim while she's on stage and get a round of applause. So it all depends on the place in question.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:32:24 PM

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Very very different here, kinda hard to get a license for this kind of place and very easy to lose it, then you need a license to sell booze and to look good in the public eye LE will have a sharp eye on "morality", any complains are taken quite seriously, which is kinda odd because if you work in bars or just regular nightclubs, the amount of touching that goes on, guys who think they can casually give you a pat on the rear...

The thing is, if you had a certain number of complains against you, even if you were cleared of all of them, they'll first cut your opening times, then they cut into the alcohol selling license, claiming it's possibly because too much booze is consumed and it's health and safety, then they won't renew your license, which means you're basically pretty much up shit creek without a paddle. That's how it works in Germany, I think pretty much the same in the UK. In Germany I lived near a club who once a month did "table dancing nights" and the noise was a bit horrendous, their door was opposite of my bedroom and I wandered over to the owner and explained, he was quite grateful that I talked to him and didn't go to the "Ordnungsamt" with a noise complain. Also a massive legal difference if they raid a pub and find a customer with illegal substances or an employee, and even worse if it's anything that has to do with the adult business. One of the reasons why most brothels will avoid having anybody with a substance problem or the owner or staff having "sexual relations", too easy to have an accusation of pimping or pandering.

Not sure it's the ideal thing, because if a girl is desperate for money and needs to feed her habit, she possibly has more protection in a brothel or a strip club than working the streets.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:40:05 PM

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I think the main reason for the difference is that here, and to an even greater degree in the States, strip joints are seen as inherently disreputable places, just one notch above a brothel, so nobody really expects any different.
The general attitude when something goes awry in a strip joint is "Oh, well what do you expect from the sorts of people who go to those places". There is an assumption of criminality.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:51:12 PM

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Its been more than 15 years since Ive been to any, but back then San Francisco clubs destroyed the LA clubs. In SF the rule at 2 or 3 clubs I was at was "if you can see it you can touch it", and of course, the more you pay the more you see.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:58:11 PM

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Traditionally strip clubs were mob owned, and as the mob also ran prostitution rings, of course they weren't going to protect the women. In an independently owned club, especially if owned by some of the dancers, this wouldn't be the norm. It's the preponderance of criminal owners that causes the problems.

Traditionally?

I used to frequent a club in Cleveland that was literally a Ma and Pa operation they owned for thirty years.

And I knew the owners pretty well, never met a mobster there.

Maybe you just have watched too much Sopranos.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 3:58:55 PM

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Here strip clubs are actually amazingly well run, it's so not sleazy and the dancers are actually dancers, not just girls that take their clothes off, for that you do have sleazy night clubs where they do the whole feathers and tassles thing and where the girls also work to get the guys to drink requires also a special license but they are basically dying out, if you got a clean cut strip club, with very attractive young ladies doing acrobatics on stage while seductively removing their outfits, who on earth would go to the sleazy nightclub to watch ladies who are not quite so attractive (I'm being nice here) take their clothes off, then later ask you to buy them an overprized drink, but it's clear the whole thing isn't going anywhere, because "hanky panky" could cost them the license. I'm pretty sure some of the women make outside arrangements, but nothing really happens in any of the places.

One thing I liked about Germany was the pragmatic way they solved the whole prostitution problem, prostitutes pay tax, so they are entitled to get help from LE and even collect unemployment benefits, pension funds, etc. It doesn't take the social stigma away, but it's a step towards it, there are also certain rules and regulations and brothels will do their best to conform to not lose the license and will keep the women to respect them as well. They're not coming down on the women, they're coming down on the pimps, the women don't need pimps for protection anymore and anybody being found to use drugs, violence or threats towards them has jail time booked. It doesn't help all that much with street prostitution and women being desperate for a fix, you'll always have that, but you have designated areas where you can go, where the women actually play by the rules and if a guy tries to get rough, the cops deal with him, makes the job of a pimp as a protector a bit obsolete.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:02:26 PM

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makes the job of a pimp as a protector a bit obsolete

Somehow, I find that that is one industry I don't mind hearing about the demise of.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:13:06 PM

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I think the main reason for the difference is that here, and to an even greater degree in the States, strip joints are seen as inherently disreputable places, just one notch above a brothel, so nobody really expects any different.
The general attitude when something goes awry in a strip joint is "Oh, well what do you expect from the sorts of people who go to those places". There is an assumption of criminality.

You know, it's really kind of amazing to hear these prudish attitudes on what is basically a sex site.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:15:53 PM

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makes the job of a pimp as a protector a bit obsolete
Somehow, I find that that is one industry I don't mind hearing about the demise of.

When I lived in Germany, the whole rules could be a bit much, but I have to admit that was something they did superb, the attitude was "We can't stop women from doing it, let's make it at least safe for them (and cash tax money of course) and throw those bastarding pimps out of business.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:17:13 PM

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I think the main reason for the difference is that here, and to an even greater degree in the States, strip joints are seen as inherently disreputable places, just one notch above a brothel, so nobody really expects any different.
The general attitude when something goes awry in a strip joint is "Oh, well what do you expect from the sorts of people who go to those places". There is an assumption of criminality.

You know, it's really kind of amazing to hear these prudish attitudes on what is basically a sex site.

Wow. Here in the states every strip club I have been to, and that is many, is held to a high standard if only due to the fact no one wants to lose their license to sell liquor or have an entertainment license. No touching, no drugs, no visibly over intoxicated patrons, and in the vast majority, no dancing. The patrons I mean.

We have been to tons of them in Vegas, and they seem even stricter there than in the east coast clubs we go to. I don't know where these fucked up stereotypes come from, tv maybe? No owner raking in the dough wants to lose their license over nonsense. Behind the scenes deals off the premises? All day long. Not in the club.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:21:45 PM

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Wow. Here in the states every strip club I have been to, and that is many, is held to a high standard if only due to the fact no one wants to lose their license to sell liquor or have an entertainment license. No touching, no drugs, no visibly over intoxicated patrons, and in the vast majority, no dancing. The patrons I mean.

We have been to tons of them in Vegas, and they seem even stricter there than in the east coast clubs we go to. I don't know where these fucked up stereotypes come from, tv maybe? No owner raking in the dough wants to lose their license over nonsense. Behind the scenes deals off the premises? All day long. Not in the club.

Pretty much the same over here, though I have heard from friends in the US that a couple of years ago it was slightly different and the girls had to put up with groping, especially if they were hard up for money. Dunno if that's correct but somebody told me in the US you basically pay to be allowed to dance in a strip club and keep the profits to yourself, minus the fee you pay the club, here that would be illegal, you get a wage and part of the earnings, which also makes sure that the owners are interested in people being sober, good at their job and not flaunting laws.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:26:47 PM

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Why am I not shocked?

Probably because you spend too much time there too.

Tell me you have never been to the Crazy Horse.

And don't lie.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:29:08 PM

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Stand accused.....but rule, you don't need to be dating strippers. Not a good move for you

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:32:37 PM

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You know, it's really kind of amazing to hear these prudish attitudes on what is basically a sex site.

What prudish attitudes? I was relating the attitude of the general populace, not mine. I know what the various strip clubs in town are like because I like strip clubs. I mean, beer and naked women...what's not to like?

Well other than $5.50 for a beer...

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:34:40 PM

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Cause I'm running a business. Gotta have variety to keep the customers coming back. Out with the old, in with the new.

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mandatory retirement at 25.

why 25?

oh... ok... I thought discrimination based on age was illegal, heard about a stripper suing and winning over that.. How are you going to hire them and get around that? just wondering..

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:42:41 PM

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Employment contract. The case you were talking about was in Canada, also. I don't know what the laws are there.
The general opinion is that age in and of itself can't be a criteria but appearance can be. We have decided the easiest thing to do is enter a contract for a set period of time. Once the contract is over, so is their employment. Not to mention the fact that employees who are treated well (which we would do) are far less likely to sue. I think we can make it work, my CPA is a smart guy.

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Cause I'm running a business. Gotta have variety to keep the customers coming back. Out with the old, in with the new.

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mandatory retirement at 25.

why 25?

oh... ok... I thought discrimination based on age was illegal, heard about a stripper suing and winning over that.. How are you going to hire them and get around that? just wondering..

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:42:48 PM

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You know, it's really kind of amazing to hear these prudish attitudes on what is basically a sex site.
What prudish attitudes? I was relating the attitude of the general populace, not mine. I know what the various strip clubs in town are like because I like strip clubs. I mean, beer and naked women...what's not to like?

Well other than $5.50 for a beer...

That's cheap

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:46:00 PM

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Stand accused.....but rule, you don't need to be dating strippers. Not a good move for you

Just like any other relationship, you have to choose carefully.

The thing I like is they are more open-minded sexually than most women.

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RE: Strip Bars - 8/12/2011 4:46:13 PM

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you don't need to be dating strippers. Not a good move for you

You seem to be of the opinion that a stripper isn't worth dating simply because she is a stripper. That's a really sad statement on your own emotional maturity, or rather the lack of it. The fact that you judge them all based on their current job really does show your true colours, I think I can safely dismiss you and your opinions now. Thanks

Wow Cheri, I didn't know you felt so strongly about it.

Neither did I till I read that post actually, never really thought about it.

Oh, cool, it's neat the way that happens sometimes, eh?

I guess, but mostly I'm just annoyed and sort of bummed that there are people who think like that.

Oh, mood lightener is called for here, my forte. Something on topic even. What do you call a stripper's ex-boyfriend?

I don't know...DomYngBlk?

LOL!! Good one. The actual punchline is: Homeless.

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