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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

The auto insurance requirement you don't have to buy anything for yourself but you do have to buy insurance if you choose to drive for damage you may cause while driving.  All that is required by law if i am not mistaken is liability.  So whomever is trying to make it the same is not understanding the difference.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Umm no MrRodgers you mistake what the autoinsurance requirement is.  It doesn't pay off debt you owe for services rendered.

If you do not have full coverage, you do not get paid medical or anything with regard to auto insurance IF you yourself are injured or it pays for your new car, it pays rental cares etc.  All that is required, i believe, is liability, which is only damage you cause others.

You aren't causing damage to anyone but yourself if you need to utilize your health care insurance.  Payment for debt is not what auto insurance covers.

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If they get paid, then why is it often called the unfinanced mandate?

The Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act (EMTALA)[1] is a U.S. Act of Congress passed in 1986 as part of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act (COBRA). It requires hospitals and ambulance services to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. There are no reimbursement provisions. As a result of the act, patients needing emergency treatment can be discharged only under their own informed consent or when their condition requires transfer to a hospital better equipped to administer the treatment. EMTALA applies to "participating hospitals", i.e., those that accept payment from the Department of Health and Human Services, Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services (CMS) under the Medicare program. However, in practical terms, EMTALA applies to virtually all hospitals in the U.S., with the exception of the Shriners Hospitals for Children, Indian Health Service hospitals, and Veterans Affairs hospitals[citation needed]. The combined payments of Medicare and Medicaid, $602 billion in 2004,[2] or roughly 44% of all medical expenditures in the U.S., make not participating in EMTALA impractical for nearly all hospitals. EMTALA's provisions apply to all patients, and not just to Medicare patients.[3][4] The cost of emergency care required by EMTALA is not directly covered by the federal government. Because of this, the law has been criticized by some as an unfunded mandate.[5] Similarly, it has attracted controversy for its impacts on hospitals, and in particular, for its possible contributions to an emergency medical system that is "overburdened, underfunded and highly fragmented."[6] More than half of all emergency room care in the U.S. now goes uncompensated[citation needed]. Hospitals write off such care as charity or bad debt for tax purposes. Increasing financial pressures on hospitals in the period since EMTALA's passage have caused consolidations and closures, so the number of emergency rooms is decreasing despite increasing demand for emergency care.[7] There is also debate about the extent to which EMTALA has led to cost-shifting and higher rates for insured or paying hospital patients, thereby contributing to the high overall rate of medical inflation in the U.S.

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They get paid. It might be a question of who does the paying. But let's say you are forced to work without being paid. Do you think obamacare is going to solve that issue? That sounds like slavery to me.

Unless you are referring to the employees getting paid.  Another federal requirement they cannot get out of.  That wasnt what I was referring too.

I guess it is a form of slavery. At least for the hospitals. I would have long ago stopped working if I only got paid for half of my work. I still think obamacare is an overboard way of fixing that problem.

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel

Who are they?  pronouns please clarify lol.

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If someone doesnt have auto insurance and hits you, then your insurance may step in and pay for it... if you have enough insurance.

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And yet courts have no problems forcing a certain group to perform services without any guarantee of payment.

Then get another damned job. I swear to God the excuses people will make to give government more control over their lives is absolutely incredible.

By all that is holy, I hope if this crap goes through, some future bible thumper Congress makes every fucking one of you buy a King James version of the Bible, an abortion is murder T-shirt, and a Undocumented: Liberal word for Illegal T-shirt because it's "good" for you.

No one was talking about the fucking employees.  Get your head out of my pocket and start looking at the bigger picture here.  Its your pocket you should be addressing.

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And yet courts have no problems forcing a certain group to perform services without any guarantee of payment.

Then get another damned job. I swear to God the excuses people will make to give government more control over their lives is absolutely incredible.

By all that is holy, I hope if this crap goes through, some future bible thumper Congress makes every fucking one of you buy a King James version of the Bible, an abortion is murder T-shirt, and a Undocumented: Liberal word for Illegal T-shirt because it's "good" for you.

No one was talking about the fucking employees.  Get your head out of my pocket and start looking at the bigger picture here.  Its your pocket you should be addressing.

You want me to look at the bigger picture when you're handing over more power to Congress?

How many friggin powers do you want to hand over in the name of politics? Just curious. How many others do you want to hand over period? Again, I'm curious.

The picture you're avoiding, is the bigger one.

Given the distance between left and right in this country, and the abrupt political swings of the past decade where one party, then the other gains power, I'd think anyone possessing any sense of sanity would be terrified of giving government more control - at least, if they were capable of thinking past the current president.

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Remaining alive costs money a large part of which is health care. Somebody 'pays' for it and it is every bit as much...a mandate.

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Remaining alive costs money a large part of which is health care. Somebody 'pays' for it and it is every bit as much...a mandate.

Who is responsible for keeping me alive? Who is responsible for making me eat food? Is there a law that I eat food and must pay into a fund for all my life to eat food? If I want to eat I must work to pay for it. If I want health care I must work to pay for it. If I want neither I don't and I die. The world works this way. Free food, housing and health care for a population segment is a bubble inflated by political agenda and borrowed money until the borrowed money runs out.

It ran out.


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yes. Your point?

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ORIGINAL: barelynangel
So it's a complicated concept.  Unless people know the actual accounting of insurance company's, medical providers, etc, no one can be sure what overhead they actually have and why.

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