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Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 4:32:17 AM   
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I was just wondering, Republicans - if the primary were to be held today, for whom would your vote go?  And why?


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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 6:53:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		I can't say that anybody in this field gets me fired up yet, Steve.  I wanted Giuliani to climb in, but that isn't looking likely.  Give me the fiscal conservative with the best record of getting things done from the executive level, combined with the best chance of beating Obama among the independents who will decide this thing.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 6:58:53 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ron Paul, or fuck 'em all. Long story short, he would kill or imprison fewer people, spend less money, and respect personal freedom and responsibility more than any other candidate.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 7:17:24 AM   
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I feel that Rommney is being pushed on us by the MSM as thee Repub nominee. They've said it long enough that people are starting to believe.

Right now I'd have to hold my nose and pick Perry, despite his immigration position, and the fact he was Al Gore's Texas campaign manager.

He'll kill Obama on job creation alone.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 7:24:12 AM   
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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 7:25:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		He has not done that is Texas, unless you consider the jobs at the minimum wage replacing blue collar jobs a good thing.

He has juggled money around to look like he has a balanced budget, but when you look at the numbers all he is doing is taking money from one dept fiscal budget and adding it to the next year, and Geeee as much as he bitched about NEVER taking the Stim money, he sure did take it to pay off some of the debt he created

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 7:50:41 AM   
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I'm thinking of voting for Obama.

Firm

Damn, is it April 1 2012? Are ya typing in your cups? Sharing some Jameson's with Ron?

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 8:38:19 AM   
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I'm thinking of voting for Obama.

Damn, is it April 1 2012? Are ya typing in your cups? Sharing some Jameson's with Ron?

*sigh*  No, none of the above.  Yet, anyway.

I'm looking at the long term political aspects of the election, and base it on my personal projections of likely events.

The US system of politics generally vacillates between the election of one party, then the other.  Who ever has "control" at a certain time often ends up being painted with the errors of their predecessors.  Or taking credit for the successes of their predecessors.  Sometimes, it's a little more complicated than either of those two cases.

In this case, I see two possibilities over the next couple of election cycles:

1.  The Republicans gain control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency in 2012.
2.  The Republicans (especially the fiscal conservatives often called the "TEA partiers") get substantially voted out, and the Democrats get back control of both houses of Congress in 2012.

I think that the economy is teetering on the brink of a major collapse, and the primary question is when it will finally crash. The crash will be due primarily the unsustainable level of deficit spending (of which both Democrats and Republicans can take credit).

Such a crash is likely sometimes between 2012 and 2016.  Before the next election is possible, but unlikely.  More likely, it will be sometimes during the next Presidents term.

If that President is a Republican, then the Republicans will take the majority of the heat (again, not saying that they don't deserve some of it.  They do.), and the Democrats will then be in office for years afterwards.

I don't have a lot of faith that Republicans will immediately be effective in dealing with it, but I have even less faith in the Democrats.  In fact, its likely that the Democrats will lengthen and worsen the effects.

Therefore, if I really care about the safety and prosperity of my country, I should help the Democrats during the next election.

There's more, but that's the core.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 8:45:45 AM   
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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 9:00:01 AM   
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Fer sure one of those stealthy, reverse-ninja approaches.

I've got a while before I have to make any final decisions.

This is just my thinking as of right now.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:03:15 AM   
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He has not done that is Texas, unless you consider the jobs at the minimum wage replacing blue collar jobs a good thing.

He has juggled money around to look like he has a balanced budget, but when you look at the numbers all he is doing is taking money from one dept fiscal budget and adding it to the next year, and Geeee as much as he bitched about NEVER taking the Stim money, he sure did take it to pay off some of the debt he created



Source, or are you using your usual left wing talking points? Either way, he still kills Obama on job creation, minimum wage is better than nothing.


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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:05:26 AM   
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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:17:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		Ok  the Stim money he VOWED never to take

http://money.cnn.com/2011/01/23/news/economy/texas_perry_budget_stimulus/index.htm

The Stim and jobs :::According to the latest report from the Congressional Budget Office, the stimulus not only helped states stave off budget cuts, but also raised GDP by between 1.7 and 4 percentage points, lowered the unemployment rate by 1.5 percentage points, and created up to 2.8 million jobs. This is 250,000 to 500,000 more jobs than projected. CBO estimates that the stimulus will be responsible for up to 3.7 million jobs by September.

Perry and the JOBS BS he is pushing...

http://money.cnn.com/2011/08/12/news/economy/perry_texas_jobs/

Perry moving money around so it appears he has a balanced budget

http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/07/06/261752/perry-budget-accounting-gimmicks/

and this about doubling the debt

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2010/mar/04/bill-white/white-says-texas-debt-has-doubled-under-perry/


How about how he does not want to be apart of the USA, what is more American then saying you don't want to be part of the country;

http://www.salon.com/news/politics/war_room/2009/04/14/perry/index.html


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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:40:31 AM   
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2.  The Republicans (especially the fiscal conservatives often called the "TEA partiers") get substantially voted out, and the Democrats get back control of both houses of Congress in 2012.

Magic 8 ball says not a chance in hell of losing the House.

I think that the economy is teetering on the brink of a major collapse, and the primary question is when it will finally crash. The crash will be due primarily the unsustainable level of deficit spending (of which both Democrats and Republicans can take credit).

Depends on how you define "major", and what happens with the super committee. If the outcome includes anything resembling long term corporate tax reform and permanence of the Bush tax cuts, the economy will be just fine, and sooner rather than later. (Again, the Tea Party could prove to be Obama's best chance of reelection. If it falls short on that then we're on hold till 2013.

Such a crash is likely sometimes between 2012 and 2016.  Before the next election is possible, but unlikely.  More likely, it will be sometimes during the next Presidents term.

If the economy doesnt show temporary improvement due to some window dressing (and I doubt it will) before 2012, Obama is not getting reelected. With the House and the Presidency, and probably the Senate, the economy will be just fine


I don't have a lot of faith that Republicans will immediately be effective in dealing with it, but I have even less faith in the Democrats.  In fact, its likely that the Democrats will lengthen and worsen the effects.

I do.


Therefore, if I really care about the safety and prosperity of my country, I should help the Democrats during the next election.

4 years of the current make up of government (and its policies) is the worst possible thing that could happen and take decades to overcome. Aiding and abetting it to ultimately usher in a conservative government isnt worth the risk


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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:44:47 AM   
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Ron Paul, or fuck 'em all. Long story short, he would kill or imprison fewer people, spend less money, and respect personal freedom and responsibility more than any other candidate.
fuck him. he's either a racist or a fucking idiot, take your pick.
http://www.tnr.com/blog/jonathan-chait/88421/ron-pauls-racism


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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:49:15 AM   
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i can't say i fault your logic or its conclusions, except the bit about who will handle it better, they'll both fuck it up because they both serve the same interests.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:49:38 AM   
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Rick Perrys got a pair of balls

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Texas governor Rick Perry's bid for the Republican nomination has cheered climate sceptics who share his view that global warming is a 'phony mess'


He doesnt seem two-faced, mealy-mouthed or slimy like the current political crop

Which that would include the current White House resident...

I dont know too much about him other than that, but I like that




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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:49:48 AM   
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I can't say that anybody in this field gets me fired up yet, Steve.  I wanted Giuliani to climb in, but that isn't looking likely.  Give me the fiscal conservative with the best record of getting things done from the executive level, combined with the best chance of beating Obama among the independents who will decide this thing.


Doesn't seem to be one.

Too bad, so sad for you.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 10:56:39 AM   
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He doesnt seem two-faced, mealy-mouthed or slimy
give him time, give him time.

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RE: Hey, Republicans. - 8/13/2011 11:01:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DarkSteven

I was just wondering, Republicans - if the primary were to be held today, for whom would your vote go?  And why?



Nehemiah Scudder. It has been foretold.


Edited to add:

I am registered as an independent, so I do not get to vote in the primary.

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