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"I can only pass on to you as told to me the Immortal words of The Great HannahLynHeather "
VanillaXIX,
If I were you I would learn to think for myself instead of reposting absolute rubbish from someone who clearly has issues, and no idea what they are talking about.
"I've been doing it for about 2 years now, Ive taken 2 classes on it, and done a ton of research online. Ive hypnotized people both online and in person. How about you?
Hypnosis is best left to the professionals. The ramifications of a mistake can be huge. "
OsideGirl,
That is more than enough experience for someone to call themselves a professional hypnotist, and I've never met a hypnotist who started practicing AFTER they became "professionally" qualified. As for the ramifications of a mistake, you'll find the biggest and worst coming from professionals, especially those who specialise in certain areas. These are the people who program others to fit their obsession, and their subjects are already carrying plenty of issues.
"Heard that claim before, so you assume that the people who then believe they are chickens and make a fool out of themselves really want to do it? "
LadyConstanze,
It's not a claim, it's a fact. Take a moment or two to seriously imagine a world where hypnosis could make people do anything, whether they wanted to or not. Now if you've got any imagination and put any effort into it, you'll notice the world we live in does not come close to the one you just imagined. Also there are countless studies on the subject if your imagination let you down.
Yes, the people who dance around on stage making fools of themselves volunteer to dance around on stage making fools of themselves, the same way people volunteer to make fools of themselves at karaoke. They know exactly what is going to happen, and they jump at the chance to be part of the performance. Also you may not notice but at every one of those shows at least one person goes back to their seat immediately because they could not be hypnotised. Also people who aren't putting on a good enough show are often sent back or just left sitting on stage doing nothing.
"is everyone that says they can not be hypnotized. Though you can teach your mind to reject simple suggestion it is more than likely true that anyone who has ever watched a movie, attended a lecture, or read a book has experienced a form of hypnosis."
MissImmortalPain,
I think there is a big difference between concentrating/focusing, daydreaming and being hypnotised. Just because a person can concentrate, focus or daydream doesn't mean they can be hypnotised, because the simple fact is some people cannot be hypnotised, they just don't work that way.
"If it is something that can make a person catatonic is it probably a good thing it was brought out so it could be dealt with.
yeah, I love a good scene that ends with an ambulance trip and a 5150 hold. "
OsideGirl,
The point was if someone has a bad reaction it is probably because they have serious issues that need to be dealt with, and it is ultimately better to deal with those issues than wait for them to take control.
"Even the pros fuck it up every once in awhile.
It's the difference between "you will feel happy and sedated when you go to the dentist" and "you will feel happy and sedated when you're at the dentist" that can cause damage. "
The "pros" are the most likely to fuck it up, as they have the skill and many have their own agenda. The wording difference you described is not a problem, as a subject can make those changes themselves, just as people do with language in general.
"If you think you need or could even benefit from hypnosis in order to dominate then you are pretty much the poster child for the UIW*."
Arpig,
I've read the entire thread, and I've yet to see anyone express a "need" to hypnotise in "order" to dominate. And the only "benefit" seems to be similar to ropes, or simply giving orders (without hypnosis), the control that goes with this lifestyle.
"No, it's at best a crutch. A tool is something an intellectually competent person uses...so hypnosis, is by definition, out.
Now before you jump up and say you have used hypnosis, think about what such a statement would mean in light of what I just said.. "
Arpig,
Just because you say something, that doesn't make it true. First of all chimps and crows use tools, so one does not have to be intellectually competent, or even a person, to use a tool. Whether one uses hypnosis or not, it has no bearing on the individuals intellectual competence. On the other hand, having such a limited understanding of tool use says an aweful lot about someones intellectual ability.
As for the crutch comment, how does a form of entertainment become a crutch?
"Am I the only one suspecting the OP has visions of creating a stable of Stepford Wives?"
Ninebelowzero,
I doubt it, many people seem to have your understanding on the subject. You've got more chance of creating a stable of Stepford Wives using more traditional bdsm techniques, or at least taking those techniques beyond bdsm. Hypnosis would be ineffective, unless the subjects were already at that IQ level.
"The sillys who parrot about "hypnosis can't make you do what you normally would not want to do" are obviously just clueless or have not ever really experienced any real trance."
BrainCoder,
There is nothing silly about it. Many people, from ethically dubious scientists to morally corrupt governments, to individual psychos, not to mention the religious fanatics, have tried to force behaviour through hypnosis. None have been successful. The world we live in would be a much different place if behaviour could be forced through hypnosis.
"It's not really about what YOU would or would not do. It's about what some narrowly focused parts of your brain would or would not agree to do. Some parts may scream bloody murder at some things. Others may find same things extreamly exciting and are ready to "hop on" to the experience. It's about hypnotists skill if those parts are found and convinced to go along. "
BrainCoder,
That's fanciful, at best. The skill of the hypnotist has very little to do with it, the subject set's all the rules. Of course with a very suseptable subject who is already unhibited, the hypnotist can feel quite skillful.
"because in the process the whole, the SUM that makes up YOU is constantly changing. What is NORMAL four you, will be constantly changing.. what you care about and find most important will be constantly changing.. "
To some degree, but it is difficult to make large changes without large events. Hypnosis is not a big enough, life altering event to have any major impact on the individual. People naturally like ruts, they'll do all kinds of thing while in their rut, but they'll avoid even benefical things if it means leaving the rut.
Dollyboy,
Good post.
"Uh now to ask a really dumb question.... If being hypnotized works so well how come everyone I've talked to over the years either A can't seemed to be hypnotized according to the hypnotists <they claimed it was some sort of personality trait of course after they took your $200>. B. It doesn't work to stop smoking. What a racket! "
SailingBum,
Very few people are good hypnotic subjects. The majority of people are ok as subjects, but anything from their mood to the hpnotist can determine whether it works or not. And some people are not hypnotic subjects in any way. Also stopping a chemical addiction is much more difficult than getting someone to bark like a chicken.
"I stopped wanting to kill myself.
See how bad drugs are? Fourth generation of misery.. that's pretty awful for a medical achievement. "
BrainCoder,
Do you really think all four generations were on medication, or the same medication? Also the effect of the drugs was to stop suicidal tendancies, so the drugs were actually effective.
"I have actually met people who don't dream on anxiety medication. Quick google search reveals, that side-effects vary from no dreams to crazy fucking nightmares. "
BrainCoder,
Very few people don't dream, and those who don't dream don't go undetected for very long as they cease to function. You've probably met many people, both on medication and not, who say they don't dream because they don't remember their dreams.
"My new observation is, that people on "don't kill yourself" medication tend to be unreasonably aggressive about their shit. "
BrainCoder,
The reaction was to your ignorance, not a side effect of any medication. But like most people, you'll look to others rather than yourself to find the fault.
"Although the meds worked in your case the jury is still out on how effective meds works on ppl. All of the neurological docs I've spoken to and research I've done <and Ive done a lot long story> will tell you that the brain is still mostly a mystery. So you saying that BC has "zero knowledge" indicates to me that your research leaves something to be desired. You happen to be one of the lucky ones cuz the meds happened to work in your situation as most times they don't "
SailingBum,
BC does have massive knowledge gaps, and attempts to fill them with attitude.
You are right that the brain is largely unknown, and that medications may not work immediately. However to say most don't work could only be accurate in a place where people are overdiagnosed. For those who actually have problems, medication can be very effective. The problem is because of the unknown nature of the brain trail and error, and adjustments, are necessary. Even effective medication may not be effective enough, so the patient gives up. Or something as simple as a cold can change the patients reaction to the meds. Or the medication can be completely effective, so the patient thinks they don't need it any more and stops taking it. There are many factors as to why medication may not work, and quite a few are related to the patient.
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