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RE: hypnosis - 10/14/2011 4:07:12 PM   
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every one of the people who made it through everything he did with them (very little of it hypnosis) declined to say no to things like stealing along the way.  the ad he placed to get them to attend the "seminar" was also worded n a way that attracts people likely to be a bit too far nto the greed is good spectrum for their own good. for those not aware, derren brown is a pretty well known tv person in the UK  with shows at the time on bbc that suggest he uses a lot less hypnosis than he actually makes it look like thanks to the misdirection that he openly admits to using in the intro.He placed an ad for business executives and sales types to learn his secrets for their own use in business (or something along those lines), think about the sorts of people -that- would attract, then filter out the remaining "I wont steal" types with a few tests during the "seminar" ;)


Yes, I know, and don't forget the milgram-replication to seek the best subjects... but still, most them would probably not have robbed a bank without the seminar. That the seminar didn't include much hypnosis (it didn't, but there was a fair bit of NLP in the show) is a moot point, the question was if people could be programmed, not if you would need hypnosis to do it.

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RE: hypnosis - 10/14/2011 5:47:32 PM   
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every one of the people who made it through everything he did with them (very little of it hypnosis) declined to say no to things like stealing along the way.  the ad he placed to get them to attend the "seminar" was also worded n a way that attracts people likely to be a bit too far nto the greed is good spectrum for their own good. for those not aware, derren brown is a pretty well known tv person in the UK  with shows at the time on bbc that suggest he uses a lot less hypnosis than he actually makes it look like thanks to the misdirection that he openly admits to using in the intro.He placed an ad for business executives and sales types to learn his secrets for their own use in business (or something along those lines), think about the sorts of people -that- would attract, then filter out the remaining "I wont steal" types with a few tests during the "seminar" ;)


Yes, I know, and don't forget the milgram-replication to seek the best subjects... but still, most them would probably not have robbed a bank without the seminar. That the seminar didn't include much hypnosis (it didn't, but there was a fair bit of NLP in the show) is a moot point, the question was if people could be programmed, not if you would need hypnosis to do it.



without the sort of seriously unethical, destructive, & torture that would destroy a person & get most folks to say hell fucking no long before it could be completed... The people who would not sign up for a course like was advertised or make it through the various filtering tests he gave could not be "programmed". And if you used that sort of stuff (much of which could certainly get you arrested with serious jail time), the individual you started with would no longer be the same individual if you put them through what would be needed to get them to cross that particular line like the rest.

Derren brown doesn't program those people into doing something against their will, he just gives them, a series of friendly nudges and confidence boosts into believing they can get away with doing something they are not particularly bothered by doing to begin with.

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RE: hypnosis - 11/9/2011 11:12:44 AM   
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Perhaps you should check his new show "the assassin"in which he has a totally innocent particpant shoot Stephen Fry.

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RE: hypnosis - 11/9/2011 11:50:12 AM   
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Perhaps I wasn't clear. My reply was two part the second part was yes they went under but it didnt "cure" the underlying issue in this case not smoking. Bottom line is either way it didn't work.

So now i'm curious what were you put under for? And did it work? Drop me a C male if you like.

BadOne



I haven't attempted hypnosis at a method of quitting smoking, but when I was in my teens I have an incredible severe case of insomnia that lasted for months.
I finally sought help from a hypnotherapist and in just a few sessions he not only dramatically increased my ability to stay asleep once I fell asleep, but also taught me, both through the implantation of suggestions as well as relaxation technics how to get to sleep quite easily.

If I'm calm enough to create the right mindset (which usually is always unless in case of extremely high stress situations) I'm now capable of falling asleep at any point of the day in about 5 minutes... even if I have just woken up and it's still in the AM.
As far as the staying asleep once asleep, that has worked too well if anything, because while before I was almost incapable of staying asleep for more than about 45min at a time, now I'm notoriously difficult to wake up, to the point that I'll easily sleep through any sound or alarm clock if I don't make sure I "set" my mind to knowing I need to wake up from the sound in the morning. I've been known for staying asleep while somebody dumped a cup of water over my face, because it was several hours before the time I had planned and "set" in my mind to wake up that day.

Can't say how well it works for other things, but for me, hypnotherapy has been a life changing experience in a very positive way.

Ishtar

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