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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:26:51 PM

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But dude, the comment about hanging outside weight watcher meetings? That's just wrong!

I'm trying to liberate here.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:31:53 PM

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You're spot on, I tend to eat like a horse, but due to eating mainly vegetarian (exception fish and shellfish) and a lot of veg, it's just not much of an issue, now of course if I would eat my veg in heavy sauces or fried, it would be different. I can't eat a lot at once, I'm more of a "grazer" and I seem to be naturally drawn to food that is good for me, that and quite a bit of exercise (which I enjoy tremendously) seems to keep me in a fairly good condition, my weight fluctuates 10 lbs up and down, but that's mainly due to hormonal cycles, I could possibly afford to lose 10 to 20 lbs but I don't really see a need for it. I don't want to be skinny because it's in, I want to be healthy. I can go below 100 lbs and be super fashionably slim, but that also means I catch colds like no tomorrow, don't function as well as I do, so I rather give it a miss - 38 is much too late to hanker after a career as a model, mind you that I would be far too short anyway.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:39:39 PM

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Don't underestimate how corn plays into all that. It is an extremely profitable crop, so farms that planted multiple crops, including healthy produce, have now switched to monoculture corn. That is why it is cheaper to buy processed food (corn chips ) than produce.
Corn also causes a strange response with insulin. Instead of being satisfying, food with lots of corn in them cause you to feel hungry in a short while, hence you eat more.
Our bodies are not designed to eat corn, it isn't good fuel, and causes people to have less energy to exercise.
Obviously, if you eat too much you get fat. But I think there is more at work here.

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i agree that food is too processed, has unnatural ingredients and too much corn, sugar (where it shouldnt be), high in fat, etc.. but I think its more than that too, I think people just eat too much. Its supersize everything, its did you want the meal or just the sandwich?, its the worst junk food thats the cheapest,.. its not sleeping enough and staying up so getting hungry late and eating an extra meal.. its sitting at the computer/tv at night instead of going for a long walk.. its our metabolism slowing as you age,.. its not lifting weights to build fat burning muscle.. its procrastinating and not doing something when its just a small and much easier fixed problem..etc etc.. its a whole lot of factors..

We've had some really good discussions in our weight watchers meetings about the quantities of food that we eat as a society. A lot of folks in my group did not gain weight due to stress or depression, it was just "pound creep" over the years, and they couldn't understand why, as they felt they were eating healthy food.

Through learning more about food, how it affects us, how much we need and how much we DON'T need, a lot of us were amazed. We're so conditioned to "finish what's on your plate," and to eat "normal" (big) sizes, when we actually took a look at how much we need, I know I thought "Damn! I'll starve on that!!"

It was a tough adjustment at first, but now I see a plate I would have normally eaten no problem, and think Oh hell no - my stomach wouldn't handle it.

I really think people just don't know how much fat and crap they're putting into their bodies. I tell my in-shape friends how much fat they're really eating and they're shocked.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:40:11 PM

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And?

Some like them fat
some like them tall
some are so fussy
they don't get any at all.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:44:58 PM

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blinks wow. well i hope you feel better. Lady Constanza, am i supposed to take something from your diatribe? You are some nickname on a message board so i really do hope you feel better getting that off your chest. grins, i think its pretty sad you keep drawing wrong assumptions and throwing them out there in a negative way. But if that's what you need to do -- it's okay. You won't be the first and i am sure you won't be the last to do so.

But just for shits and giggles let's review:

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That's a bit of a rip off to be honest, the machines they use on The Biggest Loser are available for less than £100, you can use them again and again, the way we bought ours (roughly £80) was doing a check at the doctor's and comparing it to what the scales said, the reason why my other half is not happy with it, is that he carries a bit of extra weight with him, so obviously it's the fault of the machine

http://www.sport-fitness-advisor.com/bodyfatscales.html

Now i have read the link and read it a couple different times. It does mention the water test and also mentions DEXA which they state is expensive. Biggest Loser uses a new version of DEXA called iDXA. I think you misread the link because it wasn't stating body fat scales are the same thing, they were saying Body Fat scales are more accessible and more convienent, and less expensive. It states BODY FAT SCALES are for under $100 and can be used again and again.   They do not say they are THE SAME as what is used on The Biggest Loser. They do not say that the body fat technique of Bioelectrical Impedance Analysis... or BIA for short. is the not same technique used in iDXA or even DEXA.

This is the link i presume you are speaking about, yes?    Have YOU read it?

I asked you because i wasn't sure what machines you are speaking about as your link doesn't speak of what is used on The Biggest Loser here in the US. This is exactly what i asked " am curious as to what machines from the Biggest Loser you are speaking about because if i can get one that does what that body comp machine does at a basic cost i could afford, i would love to have one. "

You were saying body fat scales were the bomb, i said i heard bad things about them and would rather have the scan they have on the Biggest Loser. In your need to one-up me, you posted this link declaring it was the same thing used on TBL. It's not.   They are saying they think Body Fat scales are okay if you can't get the other scans because they are more convenient and less expensive. This link does not say that its the same thing as you indicated in your post.

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Actually the "sugar daddy" you speak about had to keep the nanny -- the kids were his, i just raised them from when they were 3 months old when he got them from their mother. grins he also kept me around for 8 years, but in the end ended up beating the fuck out of me so badly and i am sure you will think it was well deserved.... his best friend had to step in and take me away because he was going to kill me and i was going to let him.   But everyone has a story..... But you keep making your assumptions i am sure you feel all justified and validated lol.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:51:08 PM

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You're spot on, I tend to eat like a horse, but due to eating mainly vegetarian (exception fish and shellfish) and a lot of veg, it's just not much of an issue, now of course if I would eat my veg in heavy sauces or fried, it would be different. I can't eat a lot at once, I'm more of a "grazer" and I seem to be naturally drawn to food that is good for me, that and quite a bit of exercise (which I enjoy tremendously) seems to keep me in a fairly good condition, my weight fluctuates 10 lbs up and down, but that's mainly due to hormonal cycles, I could possibly afford to lose 10 to 20 lbs but I don't really see a need for it. I don't want to be skinny because it's in, I want to be healthy. I can go below 100 lbs and be super fashionably slim, but that also means I catch colds like no tomorrow, don't function as well as I do, so I rather give it a miss - 38 is much too late to hanker after a career as a model, mind you that I would be far too short anyway.

I had a friend who was vegetarian and she couldn't understand why, for the life of her, she remained about 25 pounds overweight despite all efforts to bring her weight down. We looked at what she was eating - LOTS of carby stuff: Pasta was one of her daily staple items. She thought because she was eliminating most fats she'd be ok. But her veggie stir fries with white rice, in peanut oil were quite the culprit, as was all that pasta and potatoes cooked in oil....and so on.

I agree with you about not wanting to be skinny. I just want to feel good. I felt horrible (physically) as a morbidly obese person, and I'm feeling fabulous now. I just laughed and told the Mister this morning that I'm discovering new muscles on my body. The metamorphosis has been fun. I have about 20-25 to go. It's been a very slow process, but I'm fine with that - too many people look for fast and easy weight loss, only to put all their weight back on again because they never learned HOW to eat.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:51:32 PM

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But dude, the comment about hanging outside weight watcher meetings? That's just wrong!

I'm trying to liberate here.

*whispers* Join the cake revolution NuevaVida!!

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Yes, I know. *sad sigh* I'm a cake whore...but don't tell anyone, 'kay? :D

Oh yeah, I see it now.. "The House of Red Velvet". Many waddling wenches tending to my every whim fueled solely by their dependency on Red Velvet cake.

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CakeCommander? *LMAO*

Uh huh....The House of Red Velvet? Oh, I am so there! Tease me by tying me up and eating a big...thick...slice of red velvet cake in front of me...have me lick off any remnant icing and lick up wherever the crumbs may fall...keep me in red velvet cake servitude....just call me your red velvet cake slut and reward me with a "slice" every now and again and I'll be your slave for life. :D

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:54:37 PM

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Don't underestimate how corn plays into all that. It is an extremely profitable crop, so farms that planted multiple crops, including healthy produce, have now switched to monoculture corn. That is why it is cheaper to buy processed food (corn chips ) than produce.
Corn also causes a strange response with insulin. Instead of being satisfying, food with lots of corn in them cause you to feel hungry in a short while, hence you eat more.
Our bodies are not designed to eat corn, it isn't good fuel, and causes people to have less energy to exercise.
Obviously, if you eat too much you get fat. But I think there is more at work here.

It's the GMO corn that concerns me. And it's in just about everything.

I try to eat mostly non processed foods, and produce. It takes some planning, but I'm far more satisfied, hunger-wise, this way, and the food is just better for me.

Certain foods (called "power foods") make you feel full longer and certain foods leave you feeling hungry again right away. I try to stick with mostly fresh power foods.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:55:36 PM

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*whispers* Join the cake revolution NuevaVida!!

Hee hee, if only I could.

House of Red Velvet does have a very nice sound to it, though!

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 2:57:22 PM

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Hey Barely, try this, you won't even get the first round

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weakest_Link_%28U.S._game_show%29

Sorry, nasty piece of work with delusions of grandeur - maybe you want to figure out if you're the "free woman" or the "perfect slave" but I guess it doesn't matter, men are just not interested and I don't really blame them. I'm not sure if I should pity you or just ignore you - can't hate you, you're much too pathetic for that.

Now go on and swing that mop, even you should have feel you have something achieved and a clean floor is not all that bad, considering your intellectual capabilities, I might be aiming high, but what can I say, I have faith even in the undeserving! Call me the eternal optimist.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:06:30 PM

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I try to eat mostly non processed foods, and produce. It takes some planning, but I'm far more satisfied, hunger-wise, this way, and the food is just better for me.

You know what is awesome? The BIG salad! Start off with greens (except iceberg lettuce), add some garbanzo beans (chickpeas), pretty much any raw vegetable you can think of (sliced bell peppers, baby peas, shredded carrots, cucumber, celery cubes, tomato - yeah, yeah, i know, technically a fruit, red onion or green onion slices, etc.), mushrooms (fresh, not canned), a fruit or two (usually I use raisins, but also blueberries, watermelon chunks, pineapple, or grapes) and topped off with some vegetarian feta cheese - just enough to taste. No salad dressing is required, although I know some people can't do without it. But for me, having all this stuff together and the feta mixed in, no dressing is needed. It is SOOOOO good!!!! AND...unbelievably filling. :)

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:08:10 PM

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I could possibly afford to lose 10 to 20 lbs

What?? I didn't realise that you were a porker, Lady C!

Well, I don't mind, so long as you haven't got a squidgy arse. I take a dim view of birds with squidgy arses. I shall inspect it closely when I visit.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:09:50 PM

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*whispers* Join the cake revolution NuevaVida!!

Hee hee, if only I could.

House of Red Velvet does have a very nice sound to it, though!

Oh, The House of Red Velvet may sound sweet, but trust me, the vision of it I have of it in my head is extremely depraved. :D

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:10:17 PM

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Some like them fat
some like them tall
some are so fussy
they don't get any at all.

You scintillate today, my dear Arpig!

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:10:29 PM

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I try to eat mostly non processed foods, and produce. It takes some planning, but I'm far more satisfied, hunger-wise, this way, and the food is just better for me.

You know what is awesome? The BIG salad! Start off with greens (except iceberg lettuce), add some garbanzo beans (chickpeas), pretty much any raw vegetable you can think of (sliced bell peppers, baby peas, shredded carrots, cucumber, celery cubes, tomato - yeah, yeah, i know, technically a fruit, red onion or green onion slices, etc.), mushrooms (fresh, not canned), a fruit or two (usually I use raisins, but also blueberries, watermelon chunks, pineapple, or grapes) and topped off with some vegetarian feta cheese - just enough to taste. No salad dressing is required, although I know some people can't do without it. But for me, having all this stuff together and the feta mixed in, no dressing is needed. It is SOOOOO good!!!! AND...unbelievably filling. :)

Sounds awesome! I might drizzle some balsamic on there, for fun.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:10:49 PM

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You're spot on, I tend to eat like a horse, but due to eating mainly vegetarian (exception fish and shellfish) and a lot of veg, it's just not much of an issue, now of course if I would eat my veg in heavy sauces or fried, it would be different. I can't eat a lot at once, I'm more of a "grazer" and I seem to be naturally drawn to food that is good for me, that and quite a bit of exercise (which I enjoy tremendously) seems to keep me in a fairly good condition, my weight fluctuates 10 lbs up and down, but that's mainly due to hormonal cycles, I could possibly afford to lose 10 to 20 lbs but I don't really see a need for it. I don't want to be skinny because it's in, I want to be healthy. I can go below 100 lbs and be super fashionably slim, but that also means I catch colds like no tomorrow, don't function as well as I do, so I rather give it a miss - 38 is much too late to hanker after a career as a model, mind you that I would be far too short anyway.

I had a friend who was vegetarian and she couldn't understand why, for the life of her, she remained about 25 pounds overweight despite all efforts to bring her weight down. We looked at what she was eating - LOTS of carby stuff: Pasta was one of her daily staple items. She thought because she was eliminating most fats she'd be ok. But her veggie stir fries with white rice, in peanut oil were quite the culprit, as was all that pasta and potatoes cooked in oil....and so on.

I agree with you about not wanting to be skinny. I just want to feel good. I felt horrible (physically) as a morbidly obese person, and I'm feeling fabulous now. I just laughed and told the Mister this morning that I'm discovering new muscles on my body. The metamorphosis has been fun. I have about 20-25 to go. It's been a very slow process, but I'm fine with that - too many people look for fast and easy weight loss, only to put all their weight back on again because they never learned HOW to eat.

Fast and easy just doesn't work, all you do is you damage your metabolism. Rice is great and a staple in my diet, but it's brown rice and not the white starchy kind, I do love pasta and have it regularly, but I know how much energy I use and how much I can eat, fairly often I have to force myself to actually eat enough to not go into a negative metabolism. I'm hypothyroid and the reason why a lot of docs thought I am not is simply that I didn't gain all the weight they assume should be gained and due to their scales I wasn't overweight - though for my well being I was, I really don't need scales to monitor how I feel or when I am gaining, my body tells me. I slip fairly regularly and then feel just horrible. I love to binge on occasion, but as long as it is just on occasion it's not a problem. My work is mainly tied to a computer screen with occasional travel, you need an outlet or your body just will not cope. I realized that part of the problem was actually not eating enough and giving my body the idea that it has to burn less, basically you can cut back 500 calories a day and it will not affect your metabolism, cut back 1000 and your body will go into energy preservation. There are occasions where I hanker for the jutting out hip bones, but I realized that it is just media brain wash, my measure is when I raise my arm, I have to be able to see the ribs and count them, if I stand straight, you should not be able to see them clearly because that is too close to me being too thin and getting sick.

In general, being too thin is about as unhealthy as being too fat, life is there to be enjoyed and it's best enjoyed if you are healthy, sod it what fashion demands, if people think they do it to be attractive to the other gender - what a load of BS - most men couldn't give a toss what is fashionable or not, they like a girls with a good self-esteem who's fun to be around. No date ever asked me to step on a scale!

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:13:07 PM

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lol Lady Constanza, what do you care what i am or choose to be? Last i checked it has nothing to do with you. So again, you are trying to make assumptions with no information.

Your diatribe really has me lost but i am waiting for you to explain to me how your indication that the MACHINES used on TBL are the same thing you had in that link. Body fat scales don't use the same technique and therefore are not the same machines used on TBL. I am actually disappointed because i would love to find a affordable iDXA technique type machine.

So are you going to continue throwing a tantrum and perhaps EXPLAIN how you believe the machines in that link are the machines used on TBL? They don't even use the same technique, the scans on TBL tell a lot more than a guesstimate of body fat percentage. That is what i would like to have done -- not a body fat scale.

Just for review this is what i said about the TBL machines, "I don't know how many watch The Biggest Loser but they put the contestants through an exam/machine that measures all kinds of things -- body fat, muscle, water and bone density etc. It's really awesome, it shows you a diagram. But i think that is very very expensive so its not for the average person."

THAT was the TBL machine i said i was interested in -- not an average body fat machine you tried to play off as being the machines on TBL.

Perhaps you better hold onto The Weakest Link concept.
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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:15:57 PM

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LC it really boils doing to enjoying life in moderation, doesn't it? I'm putting forth effort to bring my weight down because I was frighteningly heavy and concerned about that that would do to my health, plus I felt like shit. So it's a focused effort now, and when I reach my target I'll continue to focus on maintaining that weight, but that doesn't mean I won't enjoy food and life - - just in better moderation, with more information about how to sustain that goal.

It's also about knowing your own body. I know if I eat a lot of pasta, I'll get "puffy" for some reason, so I don't. Whole grain pasta doesn't quite have that effect, just like brown rice vs. white rice.

I have no desire to be skinny, either. I'd be perfectly happy in a size 8.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:20:39 PM

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NuevaVida, i think it has a lot to do with exactly what you said -- knowig your own body. A lot of yoyoing happens because people see the goal weight as the finish line when really it's the start line.   The weight loss should have been teaching you things. I like programs that start you at the beginning and then add things slowly so you can see how things effect you, your weight loss, your body water but also how you feel and such. And when you get to the end of the program, you have learned a lot more than just losing weight.

I am a firm believer of proteins and fats used to lose weight lol but then again i always go against the grain.   But this mentality is coming around slowly.

Congrats on your success, its something i enjoy hearing about.

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RE: Fat People - 8/14/2011 3:25:39 PM

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I had a friend who was vegetarian and she couldn't understand why, for the life of her, she remained about 25 pounds overweight despite all efforts to bring her weight down. We looked at what she was eating - LOTS of carby stuff: Pasta was one of her daily staple items. She thought because she was eliminating most fats she'd be ok. But her veggie stir fries with white rice, in peanut oil were quite the culprit, as was all that pasta and potatoes cooked in oil....and so on.

omg yes! carbs! get too much especially the processed kind and your body goes nuts, the carbs cause inflamation.. not good!

I learned that several years ago, i was getting horrendeous back pain, from my butt to my neck and it was so painful i could not lay in bed and sleep, i could not sit at the computer for even 2 minutes before having to stand which was the least painful. An accupunturist i went to see to control the pain told me it wasnt my bad back that was the problem, it was my stomach, meaning my diet was causing imflamation which caused the pain. I immediately changed my diet especially cutting out as much processed carbs as possible and a week later i felt better and less pain, 2 weeks later the pain was all gone. That was how the inflamation manifested itself in me but it does other things to other people.. People get enough (good) carbs from veggies, imo..

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