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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/13/2011 8:20:45 PM   
Termyn8or


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Kudos. no, actually congrats...... something, fukit.........

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 10:00:35 AM   
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Man do they have the people of Iowa fooled, Gee what state is dumb enough to have people come out and pay to vote????  Only 1 I believe  Iowa and these people think its an honor to give money and act like the the dam thing matters to the rest of the country


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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 11:31:31 AM   
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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 11:39:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		You see what they show you.

Mark my words, Ron Paul is never going to be President, audit the fed or balance the budget. Your chance to elect him ran out about twenty years ago.

I like the guy except for his unrealistic position on abortion.

Here I am on Sunday afternoon not having even drank one beer, going off. How can ANY MOTHERFUCKER on this planet support "OUR TROOPS" whose fucking job it is to kill people, but not support abortion and euthenasia, and in fact the death penalty. MOTHERFUCKERS send in troops to kill people who never did a fucking thing to us but won't give an axe murderer the chair ?

Fucking hypocracy at it's finest.

I would still vote for him if he ran.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 1:43:22 PM   
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Okay, I've admitted I'm not that savvy when it comes to politics so if someone wouldn't mind explaining where these particular numbers have come from to say he came in second.

The one I saw had an entirely different outcome. May not be a credible source but that kinda leads me to my actual point and question. What WOULD be the most respected poll to glean info from?


This far out?  If you're looking to figure out who the nominee will be, look at fundraising.  The Ames straw poll has some predictive power for who will do well in Iowa, but virtually no correlation at all with who will win the nomination.  It can break the back of a "midwest white conservatives" campaign approach if it flops in the Ames poll (see Pawlenty, Tim), but for the rest of the field is really pretty meaningless.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 3:55:02 PM   
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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 4:11:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ron Paul won't be the nominee.

I like some of what he says, but then he opens his mouth and says stupid things like, "Who cares if Iran has nukes? Everyone else has them."

He is a protectionist. He's so weak on national defense that a huge swathe of the Republicans and Conservatives out there just don't take him seriously as a candidate.

That's probably why so many love him too, because they want to tear down the military and don't care about our foreign policy, only our domestic policies.

But if you want to be realistic about who has a chance to win the next election, you have to have a tough stance on foreign policy, not a retreat and defense policy like Ron Paul has.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 4:54:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Theon38

Ron Paul won't be the nominee.

I like some of what he says, but then he opens his mouth and says stupid things like, "Who cares if Iran has nukes? Everyone else has them."

He is a protectionist. He's so weak on national defense that a huge swathe of the Republicans and Conservatives out there just don't take him seriously as a candidate.

That's probably why so many love him too, because they want to tear down the military and don't care about our foreign policy, only our domestic policies.

But if you want to be realistic about who has a chance to win the next election, you have to have a tough stance on foreign policy, not a retreat and defense policy like Ron Paul has.


WRONG

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 5:22:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Here's why all leftists should support Ron Paul. Let's look at this pragmatically...

Let's say that Ron Paul did get elected. His entire domestic agenda will be blocked by the republicans and democrats; he won't get anything through for his entire 4 years. However, as commander-in-chief he would have the ability to end these wars. This is something that only Ron Paul will do. No other candidate will end these wars. Anyone voting for a candidate not named Ron Paul is a supporter of war.

If Barack Obama wins another term, then nothing will change. The republicans will block his entire domestic agenda, like they are doing now, and the war-mongering will continue. Obama will probably start more wars in the name of democracy, just like George Bush. Ron Paul will not.

I encourage all Leftists to support Ron Paul, because ending these wars is by far the most important thing that needs to be done. It will save us trillions and the economic problems we are facing cannot be solved without addressing the Bushbama foreign policy. Any leftist supporting Obama in the upcoming election just hates the rich more than they hate war.

Look at it pragmatically: Obama in 2012 = nothing changing domestically and nothing changing internationally! Ron Paul in 2012 = nothing changing domestically and the wars ending!

Ron Paul 2012!

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 5:25:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Im not encouraged, and wouldnt vote for him ever. There is no reason for a dem to vote for him, you are using ill supported scenarios, more pathetic than realistic.
scaremongering is truly not the reason to vote for someone

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 5:34:24 PM   
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Im not encouraged, and wouldnt vote for him ever. There is no reason for a dem to vote for him, you are using ill supported scenarios, more pathetic than realistic. scaremongering is truly not the reason to vote for someone


How is what I stated unrealistic? Do you think that Obama will end these wars?

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 6:19:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: provfivetine

Here's why all leftists should support Ron Paul. Let's look at this pragmatically...

Let's say that Ron Paul did get elected. His entire domestic agenda will be blocked by the republicans and democrats; he won't get anything through for his entire 4 years. However, as commander-in-chief he would have the ability to end these wars. This is something that only Ron Paul will do. No other candidate will end these wars. Anyone voting for a candidate not named Ron Paul is a supporter of war.

If Barack Obama wins another term, then nothing will change. The republicans will block his entire domestic agenda, like they are doing now, and the war-mongering will continue. Obama will probably start more wars in the name of democracy, just like George Bush. Ron Paul will not.

I encourage all Leftists to support Ron Paul, because ending these wars is by far the most important thing that needs to be done. It will save us trillions and the economic problems we are facing cannot be solved without addressing the Bushbama foreign policy. Any leftist supporting Obama in the upcoming election just hates the rich more than they hate war.

Look at it pragmatically: Obama in 2012 = nothing changing domestically and nothing changing internationally! Ron Paul in 2012 = nothing changing domestically and the wars ending!

Ron Paul 2012!


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tho-  he could do alot with executive orders- which bush and obama have used to further their agenda- which is the same agenda.

I am really excited buy all the enthusiasm this time.    I watch the posts- and Dems have been coming over.   If you dont beleive me-  check out his facebook page for yourself.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 6:20:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		I do not think he will be getting into more, I think he has tried to get out, but the realities of just up and getting out in a specific time frame are unrealistic at best and Im a huge pacifist.
Getting into more wars, just because he can, is really out there, and has NOTHING to justify it, no proof, even as a scare tactic.
NO other coutnry can get out in the time frame he hoped for, he was over hopeful, what makes anyone think the US can or will is beyond ridonkulous

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 7:03:45 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic
I do not think he will be getting into more, I think he has tried to get out, but the realities of just up and getting out in a specific time frame are unrealistic at best and Im a huge pacifist.
Getting into more wars, just because he can, is really out there, and has NOTHING to justify it, no proof, even as a scare tactic.
NO other coutnry can get out in the time frame he hoped for, he was over hopeful, what makes anyone think the US can or will is beyond ridonkulous


I don't share your optimism about Obama. Since he took office, he's expanded the wars to include Pakistan, Yemen, Somalia, and now Libya. Also, he's continued the war-mongering in Afghanistan and in Iraq, kept Gitmo open and - following Bush's footsteps, declared that inmates at Bagram have no rights. Your faith in Obama is misplaced.

What evidence is there to suggest that he won't start bombing Damascus soon? He's already put sanctions on Syria and will come out and publicly ask Assad to step down soon. What's Obama going to do when he has another Middle Eastern leader telling him to stay out of the internal affairs of a Middle Eastern country. Obama invaded Libya under similar conditions (you can try to say that NATO did it, but you're not going to fool anyone with that logic). What's to stop him from invading Syria? This script is all too familiar.

All you do is make assertions without any argumentation.


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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 7:15:04 PM   
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they werent started by Obama. Nice try tho at obfuscation.
I dont need argumentation?? agains maybes... and scaremongering. Try looking at the big picture from outside your american ism if you want to understand situations
I dont have faith, LOL you are the one who is scared of every country that is having trouble with riots, sanctions arent war. How many countries have you got sactions against now
how many have you had in the past 30 years
??
You dont trust HIM< thats all, Your country has sanctioned more countries than they have bases
but no Obama is the antichrist.
I laugh at the thought of giving you the benefit of argument and assertion, come back to earth first
NATO, you guys hate it until you need it. Same with the UN.
LAughable

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 7:21:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

ermmm no
they werent started by Obama. Nice try tho at obfuscation.
I dont need argumentation?? agains maybes... and scaremongering. Try looking at the big picture from outside your american ism if you want to understand situations
I dont have faith, LOL you are the one who is scared of every country that is having trouble with riots, sanctions arent war. How many countries have you got sactions against now
how many have you had in the past 30 years
??
You dont trust HIM< thats all, Your country has sanctioned more countries than they have bases
but no Obama is the antichrist.
I laugh at the thought of giving you the benefit of argument and assertion, come back to earth first
NATO, you guys hate it until you need it. Same with the UN.
LAughable

Unreal


Which war did Obama stop?


I am waiting.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 7:39:04 PM   
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ermmm no
they werent started by Obama. Nice try tho at obfuscation.


Which ones did he stop? He escalated the drone strikes in Pakistan, Somalia, Yemen, and he invaded Libya. What has Obama done to make the US status improve in the international arena? Stop carrying Obama's water.

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I dont need argumentation?? agains maybes... and scaremongering. Try looking at the big picture from outside your american ism if you want to understand situations

I dont have faith, LOL you are the one who is scared of every country that is having trouble with riots, sanctions arent war. How many countries have you got sactions against now how many have you had in the past 30 years??

You dont trust HIM< thats all, Your country has sanctioned more countries than they have bases
but no Obama is the antichrist.

I laugh at the thought of giving you the benefit of argument and assertion, come back to earth first
NATO, you guys hate it until you need it. Same with the UN.
LAughable
Unreal


None of this makes any sense at all. What is this supposed to mean? I don't mean to insult you, but proofread your damn posts. Minor spelling and typographical errors happen to all of us, but this statement of yours reads like a third-grade rant.

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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 7:51:41 PM   
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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/14/2011 9:10:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

ermmm no
they werent started by Obama. Nice try tho at obfuscation.
I dont need argumentation?? agains maybes... and scaremongering. Try looking at the big picture from outside your american ism if you want to understand situations
I dont have faith, LOL you are the one who is scared of every country that is having trouble with riots, sanctions arent war. How many countries have you got sactions against now
how many have you had in the past 30 years
??
You dont trust HIM< thats all, Your country has sanctioned more countries than they have bases
but no Obama is the antichrist.
I laugh at the thought of giving you the benefit of argument and assertion, come back to earth first
NATO, you guys hate it until you need it. Same with the UN.
LAughable

Unreal


Which war did Obama stop?


I am waiting.



Could yoiu hold your breath, while you wait?


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RE: RON PAUL WINS HISTORIC VOTE TOTAL IN AMES - 8/15/2011 12:27:28 AM   
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Mossad, all that, I aint got all day. I do not have much time anymore. You have the facts, put them together.

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