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SirKenin -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/20/2006 11:16:29 PM)
Actually, you have already had a couple of people tell you that My attitude IS in fact the attitude of most employers. Door to door sales does not count. I do door to door sales now by appointment, selling ADT alarms for extra cash on top of My business. I really enjoy doing it and it makes a great change of pace. I make $100-$150 for a one hour call, each sale I make. I do two or three in a day. A diploma was not required, but you would have to be a complete idiot to not get the job. The interview was a farce, I completely blew it because I was half stoned or something (I do not remember what My excuse was, but I was out of it), we got 15 minutes of training and I was given an entire city of 125 000 people plus surrounding areas as My territory. Sooo, as you can see, a door to door sales job is a no brainer. They will take anybody because few people want to work for them. That is the same as telemarketing. Any idiot can get a telemarketing job. If you can make sales then bonus, they keep you. They will hang on to you no matter how badly you screw up until they find a replacement, which is not exactly an easy task. So yes, I do know what I am talking about based on years of personal experience and I do know what is going on in the industry, thank you.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/20/2006 11:34:54 PM)
When most kids in highschool now days can barely read, and expesially not when I was in highschool and I mean kids like 15 16 17, being unable to even read stuff like see spot run with out 5 mins to figure it out huge books can be an acomplishment. I was in 12th grade and most the kids in the reading / english class couldn't even pronounce your basic words. Half the highschool kids can't even pass the exit exams either.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/20/2006 11:38:33 PM)
I did do some door to door, however The company I worked for didn't sell to any one under thirty or not married. they were very picky who they sold to, the stuff was very expensive, over priced actually, honestly, in my opnion. I t was nice true, but one complete set would cost you 180 your average door to door 20 year old wouldn't qualify for who we sold to. Nor would I doubt buy expensive fancy cutting block knifes and stuff lol. quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin Actually, you have already had a couple of people tell you that My attitude IS in fact the attitude of most employers. Door to door sales does not count. I do door to door sales now by appointment, selling ADT alarms for extra cash on top of My business. I really enjoy doing it and it makes a great change of pace. I make $100-$150 for a one hour call, each sale I make. I do two or three in a day. A diploma was not required, but you would have to be a complete idiot to not get the job. The interview was a farce, I completely blew it because I was half stoned or something (I do not remember what My excuse was, but I was out of it), we got 15 minutes of training and I was given an entire city of 125 000 people plus surrounding areas as My territory. Sooo, as you can see, a door to door sales job is a no brainer. They will take anybody because few people want to work for them. That is the same as telemarketing. Any idiot can get a telemarketing job. If you can make sales then bonus, they keep you. They will hang on to you no matter how badly you screw up until they find a replacement, which is not exactly an easy task. So yes, I do know what I am talking about based on years of personal experience and I do know what is going on in the industry, thank you.

SirKenin -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 12:12:07 AM)
Knive sets. Yes, I remember those. lol. Not a job I would want, personally. I have no personal interest in them, so I would not be able to sell them. Alarms, on the other hand, I have an interest in. I have one Myself and I really get off on anything technical. Toys are the bomb. [8D] I like the challenge. You go into their homes, pretending you give a hoot about their kids, their dog, whatever and you analyze the risks, demonstrate a product which really, although important in today's day and age, is not a necessity. You tactfully maneuver your way through any questions and obstacles and close the deal with a variety of well thought out lines, do the credit check, sign the forms and leave, not really caring that you will never see them again. It really is quite fascinating. It is handy extra cash to have and I do quite well at it, if I do say so Myself. The boss has been quite enthusiastic as well. So there you go, I guess I am an employee and an employer at the same time. I guess that is a little odd. Two jobs really is not all that bad. I guess I do not need them both, but I do like to stay as busy as I can and those extra bucks do make for good bar nights and spoiling My wife with flowers and dinners and stuff. I am sure she does not mind. My ex originally dropped out of high school, going back much later to an adult education center, which I do recommend for you. She could read up a storm, but I could not relate to her on an intellectual level because she just lacked smarts as a rule. To be honest, your postings in this thread in particular came across as you having difficulties as well. I did not mean it as any type of an insult though. I was just trying to make the point from an employer's point of view (like I mentioned, we will exclude the aforementioned sales jobs from the point being made). It is very difficult to read people over the internet though, so I will have no problem rescinding that comment if it is not factual.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 12:36:19 AM)
I'm pretty smart in other area's and I have heart, grins so it usualy over rules poor math skills. I know though at a job you'd need better skills, that's where you also choose one up to your abilities. I wouldn't want to sign up for a computer manufacture job, but I'd do well as something else! :) And I will be checking out how many credits I need. I might just be able to finish those up in a whip!

Dustyn -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 5:42:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin As a business owner I can tell you that I am looking for a reasonable amount of intellect. More so in My business, but that is the general idea. You need to have a certain amount of brains to take orders, process tasks, etc and if you can not pass the basic bar then what have we got to assess your skills? The GED (or OSSD in Ontario) tells us that you have demonstrated a reasonable amount of intelligence, determination and skill. Without that, frankly you can say whatever you want, but you are an "undesirable" because the proof is in the pudding. Edit: With so many people to choose from that DO have a diploma, I would not even look twice at you. You may think you have what it takes, but there are millions of people out there that have proven it, and that to Me is more important. Now, there is a qualification to that. I also look for experience. Experience trumps all, followed by a diploma, and then there are people without them that I can not even be bothered with. It is My money, I want to be sure it is well spent and I do not have time for bullshit. You know what I mean? I'm gonna guess that your business is at least somewhat technical in orientation. I was talking about farm workers, construction laborers. Things along those lines that have such a high rate of turn over that it's no big thing. Trust me, I know this because I have worked a lot of construction jobs and what not along those lines over the years. One foreman I worked under never went past 8th grade and was pulling down roughly 45 grand a year. For a techie type of job, yeah, a bit more than the rudimentary intelligence we all have would be handy, but still not directly needed. My grandfather was a prime example of this. Never finished high school, but anything electronic or gas powered broke, and he could fix it with no hesitation. Never had any training for it, either. He was just good with his hands. shrug - Dustyn

feastie -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 6:57:59 AM)
My father was signed into the Navy by his mother at age 17. He did not get the chance to finish high school with his class. The Navy, however, made sure that he got his GED. With his Navy training and his GED, he was eventually able to land a job with Mobil Corporation as a laborer. Thirty-five years later (at age 55), he retired from Mother Mobil, his final position being that of Maintenance Supervisor. He'd also been an operator, a blender, a safety man and probably many other things I'm not aware of. His natural intelligence, and his Navy training carried him through his working life with the company. His GED, however, is what got his foot in the door. Now, one must have an associates degree to become an operator. That means a high school diploma or GED and two years of college. You won't even get an interview without it. It's all about choice and what one wants from life. Either you can find happiness in selling cutlery or flipping burgers, or you want more than that.

Dustyn -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 10:23:53 AM)
quote: Now, one must have an associates degree to become an operator. That means a high school diploma or GED and two years of college. You won't even get an interview without it. It's all about choice and what one wants from life. Either you can find happiness in selling cutlery or flipping burgers, or you want more than that. Yeah, I've noticed this as well, feastie. Makes me wonder at times how we ever managed to make it through the past 50 years, when a college degree was actually rare to find outside of the executive areas, or professional fields, like doctors and lawyers. - Dustyn

feastie -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 10:50:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dustyn quote: Now, one must have an associates degree to become an operator. That means a high school diploma or GED and two years of college. You won't even get an interview without it. It's all about choice and what one wants from life. Either you can find happiness in selling cutlery or flipping burgers, or you want more than that. Yeah, I've noticed this as well, feastie. Makes me wonder at times how we ever managed to make it through the past 50 years, when a college degree was actually rare to find outside of the executive areas, or professional fields, like doctors and lawyers. - Dustyn That's the truth, Dustyn. I was once offered a job working for one of the car manufacturers by a friend. He needed a secretary. I sent my resume and started putting the wheels into motion to make a huge move, but his boss wouldn't let him hire me because the company policy is that everyone must have at least an associates degree...even to be a secretary.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 12:29:33 PM)
It's all about choice and what one wants from life. Either you can find happiness in selling cutlery or flipping burgers, or you want more than that. 12 bucks a visit wasn't bad. I could of been happy there, not that I'd want to do it long into my 30's, but for a 19 year old starting out could of done worse, If gas wasn't so dam high. When you have a job where gas comes out of your own pocket and one day of driving costs you 50 bucks it's just not worth it any more. That was however the very first ever ever job I had. I actually think flipping burgers is below what I am capable of doing. Of course ask me again later on down the road opinion maybe might change.

SirKenin -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 5:19:29 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Dustyn quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin As a business owner I can tell you that I am looking for a reasonable amount of intellect. More so in My business, but that is the general idea. You need to have a certain amount of brains to take orders, process tasks, etc and if you can not pass the basic bar then what have we got to assess your skills? The GED (or OSSD in Ontario) tells us that you have demonstrated a reasonable amount of intelligence, determination and skill. Without that, frankly you can say whatever you want, but you are an "undesirable" because the proof is in the pudding. Edit: With so many people to choose from that DO have a diploma, I would not even look twice at you. You may think you have what it takes, but there are millions of people out there that have proven it, and that to Me is more important. Now, there is a qualification to that. I also look for experience. Experience trumps all, followed by a diploma, and then there are people without them that I can not even be bothered with. It is My money, I want to be sure it is well spent and I do not have time for bullshit. You know what I mean? I'm gonna guess that your business is at least somewhat technical in orientation. I was talking about farm workers, construction laborers. Things along those lines that have such a high rate of turn over that it's no big thing. Trust me, I know this because I have worked a lot of construction jobs and what not along those lines over the years. One foreman I worked under never went past 8th grade and was pulling down roughly 45 grand a year. For a techie type of job, yeah, a bit more than the rudimentary intelligence we all have would be handy, but still not directly needed. My grandfather was a prime example of this. Never finished high school, but anything electronic or gas powered broke, and he could fix it with no hesitation. Never had any training for it, either. He was just good with his hands. shrug - Dustyn Yes, you are right. I do computer sales, repairs, networking and support. I can not understand why farm laborers would need a GED, that is for sure. Construction I can though. That makes sense. In years gone by it was not important as it is My understanding that it was very typical that many people would drop out of school and jump right into the workforce. That is not so much the case anymore.

SirKenin -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 5:23:17 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion It's all about choice and what one wants from life. Either you can find happiness in selling cutlery or flipping burgers, or you want more than that. 12 bucks a visit wasn't bad. I could of been happy there, not that I'd want to do it long into my 30's, but for a 19 year old starting out could of done worse, If gas wasn't so dam high. When you have a job where gas comes out of your own pocket and one day of driving costs you 50 bucks it's just not worth it any more. That was however the very first ever ever job I had. I actually think flipping burgers is below what I am capable of doing. Of course ask me again later on down the road opinion maybe might change. Gas is definitely a problem when you are talking door to door sales. You have to be really good at it or you will not make any money, as you probably figured out yourself. When I first started with ADT I did not do very well as I was learning the ropes. I ended up behind the eight ball every week until I started making the sales. Now I am actually doing well at supplementing My income.

BBBTBW -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 5:32:20 PM)
Unfortunately the intelligence of people is judged by the piece of paper they have with their name on them. Have you never heard of an EDUCATED FOOL? Just because someone has a piece of paper from an institution of learning does not automatically make them intelligent enough to do a specific job nor does the lack of that piece of paper make them not intelligent enough to do a specific job. If we all think about it in rational terms. It doesn't matter a hill of beans how much education someone has or from where the received this education. All that matters is if they are trainable, have a sincere interest in the job and can physically an mentally handle the stresses of a particular job. There are pre-employment tests that can measure the apitude of an employment candidate and with this method of screening, it does not take away from your payroll dollars. What is does is give you and your personnel staff more information about a particular candidate than any piece of paper ever could. Just some food for thought. Don't judge a book by the paper it is written on, delve into those pages, you might find a map to a gold mine.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/21/2006 6:43:07 PM)
We got payed 12 bucks regardless is any one bought just for going, of course you do get more for making a sale, but still gas expensive is gas expensive. :( And of course I will you know most your average people don't want to see sales people. quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin Gas is definitely a problem when you are talking door to door sales. You have to be really good at it or you will not make any money, as you probably figured out yourself. When I first started with ADT I did not do very well as I was learning the ropes. I ended up behind the eight ball every week until I started making the sales. Now I am actually doing well at supplementing My income.

NeedToUseYou -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/22/2006 12:30:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FelinePersuasion We got payed 12 bucks regardless is any one bought just for going, of course you do get more for making a sale, but still gas expensive is gas expensive. :( And of course I will you know most your average people don't want to see sales people I wouldn't worry about what other people make, it doesn't matter. The point is most jobs do require basic math skills. Every factory job and the one sales job I had required them to some degree. Really, between adding, substracting, dividing, and muliplying. Most factory, or service jobs, including most all sales jobs, are pretty well covered. I can't remember ever using Trig, or Calc ever outside of school. I'd don't remember ever needing to identify the characteristics of magma outside geology. So, just because someone has a Phd or a associates degree, means little to anyone, if you're just wanting to qualify for most entry level jobs. Once in the job, your attitude, ability and willingness to learn, and reliability are the factors that well get you to middle management. Beyond that a degree is generally required. So, one step at a time right.

FelinePersuasion -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/22/2006 1:16:20 AM)
right! The first thing someone would need to do is find a job that is at their level ability, and wants someone like them. After that it's all how hard you work, well mostly anyway

MsMacComb -> RE: no GED sorry no work (5/22/2006 2:01:38 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SirKenin Maybe I should put things in perspective here. I pay over twice what Wal-Mart pays. I make in an hour and a half what Wal-Mart employees make in an eight hour day. So you make chump change and then think that entitles you to make disparaging comments about others peoples intellect? People that make "real" money don't even consider it in the hourly or weekly rate. By your comparision I make in a hour what you make in a day. So what? No, wait, I think it would be about 4 minutes or so. Its hard to tell as people with wealth arent really able to figure what we make as the markets and interest rates etc change by the second around the world. To the OP, do what you think is best for you. Further your education if it will help you in your career goals, otherwise forget it. If any job that you may be hired on is dependant on a GED or a High School Diploma its NOT anything thats going to pay much money or have any long term security. You may consider getting assistance and doing a trade school or such that will put you into some sort of job that has benefits and the options for continuing your education. Depending on what state you live in their are a multitude of financial assistance options and/or sources to help pay for education. If you care to, feel free to IM me and I will find some resources for you based on your state and situation. But please, stop asking for advice from forums and/or places that wannabes hang out. [:)]

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