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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 5:27:28 AM   
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literally..

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/silicon-valley-billionaire-funding-creation-artificial-libertarian-islands-140840896.html

Maybe that's the wave of the future. Don't like your country's politics, just go build your own.



Yeah, that's just wonderful!!!!!!!!!

We are going to have these assholes move offshore to avoid taxes while they make their money off the American public.

And then we get people you to applaud it.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 5:40:04 AM   
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Owning a weapon doesn't mean you fear your neighbors, that's just stupid. Hell, I don't live on an island, I don't fear my neighbors, but some strange drug addict, or criminal may try to come in my house to take my stuff or whatnot, same on an island, hell some pirate wannabees might think a bunch of computer nerds might just hand over millions if flashed a weapon.

Anyway, I wouldn't have a problem with everyone on the little island having a gun. It wouldn't bother me at all.

Anyone in the US can get a gun, law or no law, the US is effectively already a 100% armed society for those that want a weapon, why would it make any difference at all.




I'm not sure how this has turned into a gun thread, but how many times has that happened to you?

Some strange drug addict or criminal breaking into your house?

I'm guessing not once, but you feel the need to be armed.

Do you also have a bomb cellar?

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 6:19:08 AM   
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They would be a country unto themselves no? Do they not have a right to defend themselves from those who might see them as sitting, seafaring, ducks?

What about the right to just carry if you want to or not? Your choice, without having to be told what you can and can't do (Imagine that)..Can and can't eat, when to sleep, piss, shit and so on and so on. I don't need someone over me telling me what my rights are, I don't know about the rest of you.


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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 6:39:06 AM   
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Status: offline 		"The idea is for these countries to start from scratch--free from the laws, regulations, and moral codes of any existing place."

"no welfare, looser building codes, no minimum wage, and few restrictions on weapons."

Sounds a lot like the Wild West.


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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 7:39:34 AM   
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(That's without getting into the argument that most of the thrust of western history was making it more like the cities the eastern dudes lived in, and less like some anything goes nuthouse where you'd get shot if you looked at a sociopath in a silly hat funny...)

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:18:13 AM   
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Dunno, are you a libertarian?


I think it would be fair to say that I am a borderline libertarian. On most issues I’ll come down on the side of more freedom of choice for people and less government control over our lives. I distrust any form of concentrated power. I have no faith in our bumbling, blundering, national government and would like to see much of its power returned to the states and localities. I don’t have much faith in local governments either but at least it is easier to bring about change on a local level. I believe that society should have few rules, strictly enforced, rather than ten million rules trying to make everything fair for everybody all the time (an impossibility… the reality is that the rules favor whoever is in power).

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:22:33 AM   
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ROFL. Sure they were liberals. The original small government politicians were liberals. Youre a fucking joke.


By our standards today they might not be considered liberal but the standards have been shifting left over the centuries. By the standards of their own day the Founding Fathers were very liberal... hell, the were radical! They created a country without a king... I mean, really now, have you ever heard such libertine nonsense in your life?

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:25:57 AM   
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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:37:15 AM   
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There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.







Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:39:27 AM   
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Sounds a lot like the Wild West.

I love westerns myself. I don't know though sounds more like actual freedom to me.

I know that's an odd concept in today's modern country but I seem to remember it working a little.. Probably just a crazy idea..Never mind.

Hey, did you know some guy from the US posted his freedom on ebay? I believe it finally sold for $1.25 to a guy in Denmark.. It was a hot race between him and a guy from Switzerland. When asked about the deal they both said: "We would have paid anything. That guy didn't know what he had."


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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 8:54:38 AM   
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There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.




Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.





What you mean is that anything factual in nature drives you insane, which has been proven and well established long ago.

Koch Bros. Industries relies on farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, oil subsidies, tax credits, depletion allowances, bailouts of their financial companies, free grazing of their cattle on public lands, free logging on public lands, etc. And the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, Reason Magazine, et. al. were founded by them, and the Tea Party certainly heavily funded by them.


But high-level hypocrisy appeals greatly to you, we already knew that.





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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:13:47 AM   
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There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.







Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.




What you mean is that anything factual in nature drives you insane, which has been proven and well established long ago.

Koch Bros. Industries relies on farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, oil subsidies, bailouts of their financial companies, etc. And the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, et. al. were founded by them, and the Tea Party certainly heavily funded by them.

But high-level hypocrisy appeals greatly to you, we already know that.








Stop the bullshit. Libertarianism has been a prominent political philosophy for nearly 3 centuries. Cato and Heritage my ass.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:19:21 AM   
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Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. He only wrote the Declaration and served as POTUS. The Federalists were in favor of a strong central government, the reason for doing away with the Articles of Confederation.

The political conservatives of the period were called Tories and were by and large british loyalists not people who were involved in founding this nation.


Except that Thomas Jefferson was not a Federalist and didn't even sign the Constitution. Jefferson may have been a 'classical liberal' but the term 'liberal' has the exact opposite meaning today as it did in the 18th Century. Liberals in the 18th Century are equivalent to modern day libertarians; the founders were not social democrats - none of them were. Even the big government Federalists would have laughed at the very idea of democracy. That's why they spoke badly of it and created a republic instead.


That's why I discussed Jefferson seperately from the federalists.

As to your nonsensical claims about liberals of today compared to liberals of the 18th century, you seem to not know anything about liberals then or now.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:24:17 AM   
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Thomas Jefferson was a liberal. He only wrote the Declaration and served as POTUS. The Federalists were in favor of a strong central government, the reason for doing away with the Articles of Confederation.

The political conservatives of the period were called Tories and were by and large british loyalists not people who were involved in founding this nation.


Except that Thomas Jefferson was not a Federalist and didn't even sign the Constitution. Jefferson may have been a 'classical liberal' but the term 'liberal' has the exact opposite meaning today as it did in the 18th Century. Liberals in the 18th Century are equivalent to modern day libertarians; the founders were not social democrats - none of them were. Even the big government Federalists would have laughed at the very idea of democracy. That's why they spoke badly of it and created a republic instead.


That's why I discussed Jefferson seperately from the federalists.

As to your nonsensical claims about liberals of today compared to liberals of the 18th century, you seem to not know anything about liberals then or now.


Nonsensical is an attempt to cast the Founding Fathers as "liberals" in todays terms.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:40:38 AM   
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There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.







Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.




What you mean is that anything factual in nature drives you insane, which has been proven and well established long ago.

Koch Bros. Industries relies on farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, oil subsidies, bailouts of their financial companies, etc. And the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, et. al. were founded by them, and the Tea Party certainly heavily funded by them.

But high-level hypocrisy appeals greatly to you, we already know that.








Stop the bullshit. Libertarianism has been a prominent political philosophy for nearly 3 centuries. Cato and Heritage my ass.



Three centuries of "libertarianism" my ass. Adam Smith and David Hume were very much in favor of proper regulation, not the favoritism you argue for and the Koch brothers live off of.






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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:45:43 AM   
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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:48:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.







Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.




What you mean is that anything factual in nature drives you insane, which has been proven and well established long ago.

Koch Bros. Industries relies on farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, oil subsidies, bailouts of their financial companies, etc. And the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, et. al. were founded by them, and the Tea Party certainly heavily funded by them.

But high-level hypocrisy appeals greatly to you, we already know that.








Stop the bullshit. Libertarianism has been a prominent political philosophy for nearly 3 centuries. Cato and Heritage my ass.



Three centuries of "libertarianism" my ass. Adam Smith and David Hume were very much in favor of proper regulation, not the favoritism you argue for and the Koch brothers live off of.




What a moron. What do Adam Smith and David Hume have to do with libertarianism? And if you had the slightest clue about libertarianism, you would know THEY dont argue for favoritism, and that Im not a libertarian.

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 9:59:15 AM   
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All I did was point out the hypocrisy of the Koch brothers as they fund numerous 'libertarian' publications even as their businesses do the exact opposite. I've read plenty from all those publications and understand their notion of libertarianism far better than you do, along with any other reading and understanding of anything of commerce and trade and regulatory or economic concerns therein. 

There is nothing that those publications spew that has any correlation whatsoever with any economic philosophy of 300 or 200 or 100 years ago.







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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 11:00:15 AM   
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Oh, that's right. They're too poor...

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RE: Libertarians to build their own countries - 8/17/2011 12:03:57 PM   
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy


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ORIGINAL: Edwynn


There was no such thing resembling either 'liberals' or 'libertarians' in the 18th century, the latter being a contemporary fabrication by way of the government-teat-suckling Koch brothers'-founded Cato Institute, Heritage Foundation, et. al.







Yes, you are insane, and this proves it.




What you mean is that anything factual in nature drives you insane, which has been proven and well established long ago.

Koch Bros. Industries relies on farm subsidies, ethanol subsidies, oil subsidies, bailouts of their financial companies, etc. And the Cato Institute, the Heritage Foundation, et. al. were founded by them, and the Tea Party certainly heavily funded by them.

But high-level hypocrisy appeals greatly to you, we already know that.








Stop the bullshit. Libertarianism has been a prominent political philosophy for nearly 3 centuries. Cato and Heritage my ass.

Still waiting for a cite on this one.


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