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Lucylastic -> Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 3:57:06 PM)

Michele Bachmann’s too-good-to-be-true stat on federal workers

“Well, I think the one thing we have to do is reject the new normal level of spending under the Obama administration, because President Obama amped up spending to never-seen-before levels. . . . I mean, one example I'll give you is, we had one employee at the federal Department of Transportation that made $170,000 a year at the beginning of the recession. We had the trillion-dollar stimulus, and 18 months into the recession, we had 1,690 employees making over $170,000. Government has really been growing at — a lot of largesse, but the people in the real world aren’t. And that’s what has to change. Government has no conformity at all with the real world.”

— Rep. Michele Bachmann (R-Minn.), Aug. 14, 2011
By Glenn Kessler

(JIM YOUNG/REUTERS)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/post/michele-bachmanns-too-good-to-be-true-stat-on-federal-workers/2011/08/15/gIQAZaqbHJ_blog.html
BUT

The Facts
Note that although the GOP presidential aspirant starts out by talking about the “never-seen-before levels” of spending under Obama and then mentions “the trillion-dollar stimulus,” the example she cites — the number of Transportation Department employees making more than $170,000 — uses the metric of “the beginning of the recession.” There’s a reason for that phrase: The recession started in December 2007, 13 months before Obama became president.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:06:34 PM)

Apparently her version of Christianity is OK with liars.




tazzygirl -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:12:33 PM)

she didnt lie... technically.




flcouple2009 -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:19:53 PM)

Sorry, I wouldn't accept that excuse from one of the kids.

She knows she played with the facts to create a false idea. 

I guess the commandment about not bearing false witness doesn't apply in her version of Christianity.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:26:07 PM)

The ignorant and the uninformed are easily led astray.  I think that is what Michelle is counting on.




farglebargle -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:27:02 PM)

Bearing False Witness is only among other Dominionist Christians. She can lie to the infidels all she wants and it's ok in her mind....

Remember, the Tea Party isn't a political movement, it's a RELIGION.




Real0ne -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 5:32:56 PM)

so its a christian thing too?




Aylee -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 6:09:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
I guess the commandment about not bearing false witness doesn't apply in her version of Christianity.



She was under oath?


I thought that the point of her statement was the 1 versus 1,690 employees making 170k+.




slvemike4u -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 6:49:45 PM)

Can that really be true ? Someone,smarter than me,should take a hard look at those numbers.




Lucylastic -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 7:08:17 PM)

it explains it all in the link.
Bachman giving obama powers before he actually attained them




tazzygirl -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 9:00:22 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Aylee


quote:

ORIGINAL: flcouple2009
I guess the commandment about not bearing false witness doesn't apply in her version of Christianity.



She was under oath?


I thought that the point of her statement was the 1 versus 1,690 employees making 170k+.


It was... check when that occurred. 

Bachmann wrongly blamed President Obama for increasing the number of federal transportation workers who earn more than $170,000 from one to 1,690 during the recession. At least two-thirds of those employees were receiving more than $170,000 before Obama took office.

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According to the National Bureau of Economic Research, the recession began in December 2007 and ended in June 2009. As of September 2007, three months before the recession started, only one DOT employee — the Secretary of Transportation — made more than $170,000, according to an online database maintained by the Office of Personnel Management. By June 2009, when the bureau declared the recession had ended, there were 1,690 employees in the Department of Transportation making more than $170,000 a year.

So, Bachmann's figures check out. But is this an example of Obama failing to cut spending? Hardly. OPM's database also shows that 1,122 of the 1,690 DOT employees cited by Bachmann were earning more than $170,000 in pay as of September 2008 — nine months into the recession — while President George W. Bush was still in office. OPM's next data set isn't until March 2009 and, by that time, Obama had been in office for less than three months. By March 2009, the DOT was paying 1,686 of its employees more than $170,000. That's nearly all of the 1,690 DOT employees she cites as earning more than $170,000 by the end of the recession.

OPM's online database provides annual salary figures up until 2008 and quarterly figures beginning in March 2009, so we were unable to determine precisely how many of the 1,690 DOT workers saw their pay top $170,000 under Bush and how many did so under Obama. OPM and DOT declined to provide more information. But this much is clear: At least two-thirds of the DOT employees who broke the $170,000 pay barrier did so under Bush. It's probably higher than that, though, because Bush in 2008 signed into law a bill that gave federal workers a 3.9 percent across-the-board pay increase, effective Jan. 1, 2009. (Obama took office on Jan. 20, 2009.) That pay increase would have been reflected in the March 2009 data. We are not looking to blame Bush for rising federal pay. In fact, the Republican president in 2008 sought a 2.9 percent raise for civilian federal workers and 3.4 percent pay hike for military workers, but the Democratic-controlled Congress succeeded in getting a larger pay increase, a 3.9 percent across-the-board pay hike, signed into law. Our interest here is purely whether Obama can be blamed for the spike in DOT employees earning more than $170,0000 during the recession.

Since becoming president, Obama has taken steps to slow federal pay. He recommended a 2 percent pay increase for the fiscal year 2010. Under normal circumstances, the increase would be 2.4 percent based on the Employment Cost Index, which measures salaries of non-federal workers. However, citing "serious economic conditions affecting the general welfare," Obama implemented the "alternative pay plan."

In November 2010, Obama proposed a two-year civilian federal pay freeze for fiscal years 2011 and 2012. This is reflected in the General Schedule Salary Table for 2011, which froze rates at the 2010 levels.

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/bachmanns-waterloo/




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 10:09:02 PM)

let's see here...
1. she's a politician.
2. she spun a fact to make the other side look bad.

and?

christ on a cupcake people, what the fuck did you expect?






tazzygirl -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 10:21:59 PM)

quote:

what the fuck did you expect?


Your reaction




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/17/2011 10:28:06 PM)

[:D]





flcouple2009 -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 8:49:18 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

let's see here...
1. she's a politician.
2. she spun a fact to make the other side look bad.

and?

christ on a cupcake people, what the fuck did you expect?


The truth, especially from someone who is waving their Christian values and morals as a battle flag.

If you don't demand better you will never get it.




RacerJim -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 9:10:40 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

The ignorant and the uninformed are easily led astray.  I think that is what Michelle is counting on.

There are no more ignorant and uninformed who have been and continue to be led astray than Obama minions. Rep Maxine Waters recently proved that.




mnottertail -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 9:13:58 AM)

OH, look, someone who hasnt ever got facts, and goes out of his way to avoid them is telling us how it ought to be. Rushfelching at its finest.




Lucylastic -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 9:32:37 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

let's see here...
1. she's a politician.
2. she spun a fact to make the other side look bad.

and?

christ on a cupcake people, what the fuck did you expect?




1,She is a politician who is running for the position of being the leader of the "free world"
2, Nobody cares about the politics of Canada or the UK(unless you happen to be from there, or there are riots there)
3,She has so many lies in her "truth" and I am doing my part to bring facts to the arrogant and ignorant(and learn something along the way myself)
4, Im almost fifty and Im unable to find a bar that likes to ROCK the way I do.
5, I get sadistic pleasure from the backpedalling and whinging from her supporters
[;)]




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 9:42:43 AM)

quote:

5, I get sadistic pleasure from the backpedalling and whinging from her supporters
ah, it's all good then. enjoy.




Lucylastic -> RE: Playing loose with facts AGAIN??? (8/18/2011 9:43:58 AM)

winks




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