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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 7:53:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		I get so tired of politicians and their claims.  You know what? I could actually get gas down to $0.25 per gallon.  It would be simple:
  1. Track total gallons sold by company and keep an accurate percentage by company
  2. Create a total cost figure for gas sold
  3. Create a new tax to make up the difference from another consumable source such as $500 tax on each quart of oil sold.
  4. Pay the oil each oil company their prorated share of the tax to make up their profit/cost shortfall.
I would have kept my campaign promise of course I wouldn't have accomplished anything at all and ended up screwing everyone just the same.

I suspect though that she is one of those that is confused by the difference between a desire and a viable plan (as I've mentioned on other threads).  Those that say things like "cut taxes" without the first actual plan or study as to how to do that are in the confused group.  Now before people accuse me of being a naysayer again, I think there are a lot of changes that can be made BUT WE NEED A WORKABLE PLAN to do so.  Asking for a plan is not being fatalistic.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 7:55:59 AM   
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Yeah well they say there is no tax on food in Ohio. That sounds about the same.

While you're at it, why was deisel cheaper fovever up until a certain year and now all the sudden is more ? Don't tell me the cracking process changed. Get HK in here, maybe he knows. But the discrepancy there in and of itself is almost 75 cents a gallon. If it wasn't taxes, what was it ?

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Supply and demand, duhhhhh. Diesel taxes are 6 cents higher than regular gas.

It's not supply and demand so much as the fact that Diesel has about 10% more deliverable energy/unit volume than gasoline and when they discovered that, they decided to charge more for it. It's about 20 cents more/gallon here so it's still a better buy.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 9:31:35 AM   
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Yeah well they say there is no tax on food in Ohio. That sounds about the same.

While you're at it, why was deisel cheaper fovever up until a certain year and now all the sudden is more ? Don't tell me the cracking process changed. Get HK in here, maybe he knows. But the discrepancy there in and of itself is almost 75 cents a gallon. If it wasn't taxes, what was it ?

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Supply and demand, duhhhhh. Diesel taxes are 6 cents higher than regular gas.

It's not supply and demand so much as the fact that Diesel has about 10% more deliverable energy/unit volume than gasoline and when they discovered that, they decided to charge more for it. It's about 20 cents more/gallon here so it's still a better buy.


LMAO. Theyve known that for decades. Its supply and demand, period. 1/2 the cars in Western Europe are now diesel, a large percentage of Chinese automobiles are diesel, all of the Chinese construction equipment uses diesel. Worldwide diesel demand increased while gasoline demand decreased, and thats not even counting the demand for other distillates such as home heating oil. With crude oil producing about twice as much gasoline as diesel, of course the prices are going to switch.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 9:47:23 AM   
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Let me help you out wilbur, in your mutterings you forgot to mention when diesel became more expensive than gas.

It just might have been when the sulfur content was scheduled to change.


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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 9:49:36 AM   
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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 10:44:12 AM   
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Of course it can be done. Going back to the gas prices before this administration wouldnt even be that hard. All you have to do is free up our natural resources...including the BILLION barrels that Exxon-Mobil is apparently now sitting on in the Gulf. The proposed Canada pipeline coming online would probably be sufficient to knock prices down to $2 as well.

Of course the libs want to make everything much more difficult than it needs to be. Get the Government the fuck out of the way of the market.



You do realize that a billion barrels is roughly only a 48 day supply? (hint..we use approx 20.8 million barrels per day here in the US)
The pipeline you speak of might, might deliver a half a million barrels per day. Do the math ....that's < 3% of our daily usage.
This will knock prices back to $2 per gallon? Explain how if you can. Otherwise what you're saying is just more bs.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 11:07:58 AM   
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Of course it can be done. Going back to the gas prices before this administration wouldnt even be that hard. All you have to do is free up our natural resources...including the BILLION barrels that Exxon-Mobil is apparently now sitting on in the Gulf. The proposed Canada pipeline coming online would probably be sufficient to knock prices down to $2 as well.

Of course the libs want to make everything much more difficult than it needs to be. Get the Government the fuck out of the way of the market.



You do realize that a billion barrels is roughly only a 48 day supply? (hint..we use approx 20.8 million barrels per day here in the US)
The pipeline you speak of might, might deliver a half a million barrels per day. Do the math ....that's < 3% of our daily usage.
This will knock prices back to $2 per gallon? Explain how if you can. Otherwise what you're saying is just more bs.


The pipeline and Exxon's billion barrel find are not the same thing.

ANY increase in domestic supply will knock gasoline back to where it was when Obama took office. (BELOW $2) Even the threat of the US opening its own supply drives oil down $10-$20 a barrel overnight, and oil has already gone down due to the economy. $2 gasoline isnt that hard to achieve.

A large part of the price increase is the value of the $. Spend less $ on foreign oil and the value of the dollar goes up as well.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 11:28:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		And Bachmann's suggested measures to spend less on oil imports when exactly?

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:13:14 PM   
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I dont forsee gas ever being less than 2 a gallon again.  Too many hands in the pot who arent willing to take that kind of profit cut.




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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:16:02 PM   
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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:30:36 PM   
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OK the tax on gasoline is seventy five cents. And the unemployment rate is ? And the inflation rate is ? And the GDP is, and by the way what happened to the GNP ?

I'll believe those numbers are published, but like other things I want to know what is included and what is excluded. And not even considering how much in carbon credits refineries have to buy. (or did they get rid of that)

And if the tax really is 75 cents a gallon, when gasoline is $3.69, at least we are in the twos. Plus did anyone notice that 75 cents is 20 % of $3.50 ? How about we tax ipads at 20%.

And the deisel issue means shit, the demand was always there. It went up because THAT IS WHAT THE MARKET WILL BEAR. Ask any truck driver to drive without fuel. You can buy little shitcans to drive around that will fit your groceries, you can carpool to the mall of the DVD rental joint or even the Mc Donald's. Trucks can't do this, therefore the market will bear more. Just because the deisel fuel does produce more energy, it does not mean it is more expensive to refine, wasn't before.

There was a time when the price of things were based on what it cost to produce them plus a reasonable profit, now it is based on the absolute maximum people are willing to pay, i.e. whatever the market will bear.

Laugh, wait until the truck drivers get pissed off next time. And this time it's not just them, it's the companies they work for and anyone involved in the industry. And don't forget, everything you buy comes in on a truck, even your truck.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:37:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You do realize that a billion barrels is roughly only a 48 day supply? (hint..we use approx 20.8 million barrels per day here in the US) "

I like math. What is 20.8 times 365 ?

It is fucking plain to see that this must stop.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:43:13 PM   
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nevertheless, a billion is a thousand million.

20.8 * 365 = 7592 or call it 7.6 billion


there are about 7.6.......+ 48 day periods in 365 days

anywayz.



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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:43:17 PM   
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I swear, some politicians will say anything to get elected


The most sensible post on the whole damned thread.


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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 2:58:44 PM   
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Dude, I got it right in the startmenu, I keep it there. I know I can do that, but why ? It's noce for more accurate figures but 350 times 20 is 7,000. Add in the other fifteen twenties and you are getting closer. Then you can add in the other one per, but deduct 20%, which is easy because it is twice ten percent.

But the calculator is nice for the others. Actually I find it easier to deal with exponents in my head and usually just deal with the significant digits. Damn, there was a name for them, I forgot, the number BEFORE the exponent. Duck all that though.

The muliplicand (20) is in millions, so the result is in billions. We don't need to know it to the ounce. You figure it out one way and I'll figure it out another way. The question, while not actually rhetorical was not meant to seek an answer, but to make people think of the sheer volume of oil we use.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 3:00:12 PM   
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The most sensible post on the whole damned thread. "



Maybe on the whole internet.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 3:49:17 PM   
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I swear, some politicians will say anything to get elected


The most sensible post on the whole damned thread.



That contributes nothing to the thread.  Not to mention its in error.  ALL politicans will say anything to get elected. 


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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 4:02:53 PM   
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Until speculators drop dead, gas prices will be their puppet, like they have been for years.



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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 4:14:42 PM   
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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/19/2011 7:04:15 PM   
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