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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 10:15:13 AM   
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The 2.8 l engine Audi A6 sold in Germany gets 37 MPG highway, the 2.0 l engine Audi A6 sold in the US gets 33 MPG  highway. (both gasoline engines)


Whut up with that?




Its a testing standard difference. European tests are run with a leaner ECU fuel map, so identical cars will get better mileage in europe.



Right.

The 26% smaller engine getting 12% better mileage is only a matter of different testing standards.


The latest figure tallies to $4 trillion in regards to the different testing standards as to whether Iraq had WMD or not.


Hmm ...


Who to believe here?








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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 10:32:39 AM   
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The article I posted, these shutdowns are due exclusively to new EPA rules




Once again, the MORON is claiming its a supply issue.....lol

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 10:40:27 AM   
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Neither you nor the wet poodle have a clue which article I was referring to... or what O'Bummer is shutting down, even though I spelled it out very clearly earlier!

Here, use this link that I provided earlier to wipe some of the ignorance off of your face

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/post/getting-ready-for-a-wave-of-coal-plant-shutdowns/2011/08/19/gIQAzkZ0PJ_blog.html

So who are the morons now


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The article I posted, these shutdowns are due exclusively to new EPA rules




Once again, the MORON is claiming its a supply issue.....lol








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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 10:49:51 AM   
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Again

Gasoline is only a fraction of the energy price increases that O'Bummer is sponsoring:

EPA crackdown...
Energy prices already on rise...
Tex. prepares for rolling blackouts...



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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:10:36 AM   
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CRS notes that many of the plants most affected by the new EPA rules were facing extinction anyway: “Many of these plants are inefficient and are being replaced by more efficient combined cycle natural gas plants, a development likely to be encouraged if the price of competing fuel—natural gas—continues to be low, almost regardless of EPA rules.” Still, that’s a lot of plants. Won’t this wreak havoc on the grid? Not necessarily, the CRS report says, although the transition won’t be simple. For one, most of these plants don’t provide as much baseload power as it appears on first glance—pre-1970 coal plants operating without emissions controls are in use, on average, only about 41 percent of the time. Second, the report notes that “there is a substantial amount of excess generation capacity at present,” caused by the recession and the boom in natural gas plants. Many of those plants can pitch in to satisfy peak demand. Third, electric utilities can add capacity fairly quickly if needed — from 2000 to 2003, utilities added more than 200 gigawatts of new capacity, far, far more than the amount that will be lost between now and 2017.
The article doesn't jive with what your trying to claim it does.



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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:23:16 AM   
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The link in the earlier post merely proves how clueless the country is in still depending so much on coal to begin with.

Sorta like China and other third world countries.

The other three links, along with the earlier one, shows that the anachronistic notion of "external costs," borne by society and tax dollars in times past, will now be responsibly dealt with by the power companies and their customers, and in no case point to the current president as being in any ways detrimental to the US energy situation, much as I'm not the biggest fan here.

Germany just eliminated nuclear plants within a timeline of 10 years, and here we are still fumbling our way through coal plants.




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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:31:42 AM   
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Germany just eliminated nuclear plants within a timeline of 10 years, and here we are still fumbling our way through coal plants.



That is unlikely to actually happen without major technology advances when they try to bring alternatives online.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:32:55 AM   
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Even if you were correct (which you are not) that the only responsible thing to do is make the poor and manufacturers etc pay far more for the energy that they need

This isnt the greatest time for the president to hike energy prices, as we are teetering on the brink of a new great depression

But what can you do. Leftists will be leftists, and they are not known for their wisdom or aforethought

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The link in the earlier post merely proves how clueless the country is in still depending so much on coal to begin with.

Sorta like China and other third world countries.

The other three links, along with the earlier one, shows that the anachronistic notion of "external costs," borne by society and tax dollars in times past, will now be responsibly dealt with by the power companies and their customers.

Germany just eliminated nuclear plants within a timeline of 10 years, and here we are still fumbling our way through coal plants.






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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:35:25 AM   
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Again

Gasoline is only a fraction of the energy price increases that O'Bummer is sponsoring:





And gasoline is only a fraction of the forms of energy that is traded on commodities exchanges.

What part of that don't you understand.

Why do you think Obama is to blame for our Casino-based economy that was ruled to be free and unregulated back in the year 2000 and pre-dated his presidency by 8 years?

The things he does may tamper with supply around the edges to appease the greenies, but our high energy prices is NOT a SUPPLY PROBLEM (for the umpteenth fucking time). Rather, it is being driven by HIGH INVESTOR DEMAND.





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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:36:38 AM   
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Who to believe here?





Well, Edwy, given your history of outrageously stupid lies, that might not be a question you wish to raise.

Has anyone mentioned that gas prices are only as "low" as they are now because Obama has been dipping into the strategic reserve?

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:41:01 AM   
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Obamas new economy was caused in large part by Obamas and the Dems preference for far higher fuel costs, their chickens coming home to roost.

Leftists should just be honest about how theyre working hard to drive fuel costs up so that we can have an honest debate. They love outrageously high gasoline prices, and if youre willing to listen to them theyll tell you so:

Steven Chu, Obamas energy secretary: "Somehow we have to figure out how to boost the price of gasoline to the levels in Europe,"

Obama Supports High Gas Prices If They're Gradually Hiked


Left Wing Media - Why you should love $5 gas

And they also know that dependence on foreign sources of energy is the primary factor behind higher fuel prices:

Obamas EPA chief Lisa Jackson: “What appears to be the most important factor at work is our dependence on imported energy,” she said. “This is what leaves us vulnerable to jumps in prices. When something changes thousands of miles away, the American people pay for it at the pump.”

So bring it on, kudos to Michelle Bachman because I think every conservative candidate should put fuel costs caused by the Obama regime on the table, and let him own them as well as the results.



Well, far be it from me to intrude on your conservative fantasies, but I'm going to do it anyway.

George W. Bush and Peak Oil: Beyond Incompetence | Energy Bulletin

Legendary petroleum geologist T. Boone Pickens, who started his career in the early 1950s as a roughneck in oilfields in Oklahoma and Texas and went on to co-found Mesa Petroleum and Petroleum Exploration, told the 11th National Clean Cities conference in May, 2005 that “Global oil [production] is 84 million barrels [a day]. I don’t believe you can get it any more than 84 million barrels. . . . I think they are on decline in the biggest oil fields in the world today and I know what it’s like once you turn the corner and start declining, it’s a treadmill that you just can’t keep up with.”8

Royal Dutch Shell Chief Executive Jeroen Van Der Veer has said, “My view is that ‘easy’ oil has probably passed its peak.”9

J. Robinson West, founder and chairman of PFC Energy, one of Washington’s most influential international energy consulting firms, and a former Assistant Secretary of the Interior in the Reagan Administration, predicts that the “tipping point” when global supply of oil ceases to grow could arrive in 2015.10

Veteran petroleum geologist Henry Groppe, a Houston-based independent analyst who began his career in 1945 and who is today a consultant to global corporations as well as to nations, said in 2005 that “Total crude oil production may have peaked this year, or perhaps will peak next year.”11

Matthew Simmons, founder of Simmons & Company International energy investment bank, has been perhaps the most outspoken of oil analysts and investors regarding Peak Oil. A consultant to the Cheney Energy Policy Development Group that met in secret in 2001, he is the author if Twilight in the Desert: The Coming Saudi Oil Shock and the World Economy (Wiley, 2005). Simmons has concluded, on the basis of his study of technical papers from the Society of Petroleum Engineers, that Saudi Arabian oil production is close to its maximum, and that world oil production is also therefore close to its peak.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:41:11 AM   
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Has anyone mentioned that gas prices are only as "low" as they are now because Obama has been dipping into the strategic reserve?



Oil is down now because a week + of 600-point see-saws has investors running for the exits.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:42:23 AM   
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The 2.8 l engine Audi A6 sold in Germany gets 37 MPG highway, the 2.0 l engine Audi A6 sold in the US gets 33 MPG  highway. (both gasoline engines)


Whut up with that?




Its a testing standard difference. European tests are run with a leaner ECU fuel map, so identical cars will get better mileage in europe.



Right.

The 26% smaller engine getting 12% better mileage is only a matter of different testing standards.





What part of "Identical cars" dont you understand?

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:44:53 AM   
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Who to believe here?





Well, Edwy, given your history of outrageously stupid lies, that might not be a question you wish to raise.

Has anyone mentioned that gas prices are only as "low" as they are now because Obama has been dipping into the strategic reserve?


But but but he released only 30 million barrels, surely that cant effect prices when a billion barrels wouldnt.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:45:11 AM   
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You are a simpleton

There are no "casinos" markets, thats wild-eyed leftist propaganda

There are futures markets, which are affected by supply and demand

And the president keeping his boot on the throat of supply (figuratively speaking) affects those markets negatively

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Again

Gasoline is only a fraction of the energy price increases that O'Bummer is sponsoring:





And gasoline is only a fraction of the forms of energy that is traded on commodities exchanges.

What part of that don't you understand.

Why do you think Obama is to blame for our Casino-based economy that was ruled to be free and unregulated back in the year 2000 and pre-dated his presidency by 8 years?





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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:46:28 AM   
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Germany just eliminated nuclear plants within a timeline of 10 years, and here we are still fumbling our way through coal plants.



That is unlikely to actually happen without major technology advances when they try to bring alternatives online.



Both items are already in place, and have been for years before the latest timeline adjustment, as it turns out, of a prior policy enactment.


In the first place, no great technology advance needed to merely refrain from being stupid, which Germany's use and further encouragement of under-floor heating and giving sensible time limited subsidies to the solar industry (already more that a year ahead of schedule in winding that down).

This as to differentiate what transpires in the US, still giving every sort of subsidy, oil depletion allowance, tax credit, etc., in perpetuity to the 2X largest earning corporation in the world.


How's that doing for us?





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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:52:55 AM   
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This as to differentiate what transpires in the US, still giving every sort of subsidy, oil depletion allowance, tax credit, etc., in perpetuity to the 2X largest earning corporation in the world.


How's that doing for us?






Wow youre one for 1461. Congrats. Get rid of ALL corporate tax preferences in EVERY industry and stop the fucking social engineering via the tax code.

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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:55:17 AM   
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The 2.8 l engine Audi A6 sold in Germany gets 37 MPG highway, the 2.0 l engine Audi A6 sold in the US gets 33 MPG  highway. (both gasoline engines)


Whut up with that?




Its a testing standard difference. European tests are run with a leaner ECU fuel map, so identical cars will get better mileage in europe.



Right.

The 26% smaller engine getting 12% better mileage is only a matter of different testing standards.





What part of "Identical cars" dont you understand?



What part of me plainly presenting cars that were otherwise identical other than engine size and country marketed to by way of pointing out that the larger engine in Europe got better mileage than the smaller engine in the US do you not comprehend?


In any case, different testing standards could never come close to explaining the significant discrepancy existing there.






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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:58:58 AM   
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There are no "casinos" markets, thats wild-eyed leftist propaganda




Read the CFMA yourself from the SEC website.

http://www.sec.gov/about/laws/cfma.pdf

read the very last paragraph, which makes derivatives EXEMPT from state gambling laws.

SEC. 408. (7 U.S.C. 27) CONTRACT ENFORCEMENT.   (c) PREEMPTION.


If the casino economy is all leftist propaganda, then why did congress feel the need to exempt derivatives-trading behavior which they thought could be prosecutable under existing state gambling laws?

Does the Idaho intelligentsia have an answer?




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RE: Bachmann promises $2/gal Gas - 8/20/2011 11:59:40 AM   
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The 2.8 l engine Audi A6 sold in Germany gets 37 MPG highway, the 2.0 l engine Audi A6 sold in the US gets 33 MPG  highway. (both gasoline engines)


Whut up with that?




Its a testing standard difference. European tests are run with a leaner ECU fuel map, so identical cars will get better mileage in europe.



Right.

The 26% smaller engine getting 12% better mileage is only a matter of different testing standards.





What part of "Identical cars" dont you understand?



What part of me plainly presenting cars that were clearly not identical by way of pointing out that the smaller engine in Europe got better mileage than the larger engine in the US?


In any case, different testing standards could never come close to explaining the significant discrepancy existing there.







As much as you think the world revolves around you, I wasnt addressing your two different cars, I quite clearly said identical cars. the leaner map used for published test results in Europe vs US creates an average difference of 3-5 mpg on IDENTICAL CARS. You can get those savings today if you go to a competent mechanic and youre willing to give up the HP.

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