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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 9:00:15 AM

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 9:15:40 AM

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It is all semantics in the end, which are subject to interpretation.

So even if you agree that it began as Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism (which I believe it did), then you are left with what does that mean to people?

When I say I am into BDSM, and I am not a masochist, am I saying the wrong thing?

No, I am attempting to categorize a like of mine into something that cannot be categorized to try and communicate a concept that remains explorable.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 9:23:25 AM

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Bondage, Discipline, Sadism, Masochism < this is what everyone I know thinks it means. Kinky folk and non kinky folk alike. I was first told it sometime back in the '70s and that is what I have always thought it meant.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 9:50:20 AM

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I agree with you wholeheartedly. The 4 letter BDSM acronym doesn't have 6 meanings that include D/s. It ain't BDDSSM or BDD/sSM is it?

4 letter acronym = 4 meanings, not 6

Unfortunately, if you believe the recently rewritten meanings for the BDSM acronym found in wiki and other incorrect, online, open source projects, the definition of BDSM is totally screwed. Because these inept vanilla open source bottom feeders can’t add or subtract, they have allowed entries from the D/s fanatics to modify the old definition BDSM to now include 6 meanings . . . including D/s.

I was astounded at the error and sent letter of complaint to Wiki. I tried to rally up the online community to demand a correction in the new errant Wikipedia entry but it was to no avail. My efforts failed. Wiki still claims there are 6 meanings for BDSM . . . silly ain’t it?

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I believe D/s and its protocols were derived from and/or split off from its parent group(s) in the BDSM community. In effect, BDSM gave birth to the branch of the D/s lifestyle on the kink tree and now the child claims ownership of the parent’s acronym.

D/s is not a subset or part of BDSM anymore than a child is to its parent. A child can’t be a subset of its parent, it is a subset of the family. D/s isn’t a subset of BDSM, it is a subset of the kink family.

Even without its parent, D/s would have eventually evolved within the kink family tree with or without BDSM.

To the crowd that disagrees despite the math facts, I suggest you also look at history and logic by reading the Reality Check.

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When the CIA is waterboarding someone it ain’t BDSM.
When a vanilla with a submissive personality submits to something, that doesn’t make it D/s.

Lets get our semantics strait.

1. Someone with a submissive personality is not a leather lifestyle submissive. They are vanilla.
2. The dominance and submission found in the natural order of things is not lifestyle D/s.
3. The dominance and submission found in BDSM is not D/s.
4. A BDSM interrogation scene does not make you a CIA spy.

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She didn't ask about BDDSSM.

She asked about BDSM.

Bondage

Discipline

Sadism

Masochism

The fact that the Dom/sub folks felt left out of the acronym and got butt hurt doesn't change what it really stands for.

Amen to that!

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 10:32:46 AM

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I love that this matters to people. There are people who are legitimately passionate about what is and is not included in an acronym. Sex is so much better when it's properly labeled.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 10:55:38 AM

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I swear there was a train wreck of a thread on this very thing not too long ago. I say let it mean to you what you wish, and allow others to do the same.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 11:03:24 AM

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From Wikipedia:

The compound acronym, BDSM, is derived from the terms bondage and discipline (B&D or B/D), dominance and submission (D&S or D/s), and sadism and masochism (S&M or S/M). BDSM includes a wide spectrum of activities, forms of interpersonal relationships, and distinct subcultures.

Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BDSM

The above is how I've always defined the acronym, but still generally refer to all of it as a "Power Dynamic".

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 12:55:33 PM

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I swear there was a train wreck of a thread on this very thing not too long ago. I say let it mean to you what you wish, and allow others to do the same.

If we all "let it mean to you what you wish" then the acronym for AA could mean American Assholes instead of Alcoholics Anonymous. I strongly disagree with your point of view.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 3:37:43 PM

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Bondage Discipline Sado-Masochism. This is the original version. People on the internet have bastardized it.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 3:45:43 PM

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if it's all the fault of those horrible "internet people," then why are there people in real-life communities who've been involved in kink for decades and who barely get online because they barely know how to use a computer who believe that this interpretation of the acronym is just as valid? oh, they're wrong because they don't agree with you. or they're "misguided" or "using it the wrong way."

yeah okay. =p

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 4:51:56 PM

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Are you saying there are people active in the real life BDSM community (not internet) that don't actually know what BDSM means? That's not the case in these here parts or among the real life people I know. Is it true in your area?

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 4:56:01 PM

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i was involved in that trainwreck of a thread and i have since done a shit load of research into it, and have discovered that i was wrong. not only that, but so was everybody else.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:04:50 PM

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i was involved in that trainwreck of a thread and i have since done a shit load of research into it, and have discovered that i was wrong. not only that, but so was everybody else.

BDSM = Bloody Darn Screwed-up Mess

That's only 4 words . . . to follow the nut-jobs that think BDSM has additional meanings you need 6 words for your 4 letter acronym. I mean, apparently everyone knows that acronyms have additional secret words associated to them.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:07:53 PM

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:11:34 PM

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:13:54 PM

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What it looks like to me, so far....is that if we go to the Marquee De Sade's days, it would indeed be as I was told long ago, leaving out the the D/s, and leaning towards the Discipline/Sado/Maso. The D/s, could have been added later? If so, why is it not BDDSSM? That would cover all bases!

I think it's time warp factor. For the older gen most of us probably learned it as BDSM = Bondage, Discipline, Sadomasochism. I separate BDSM and D/s because you can have one without the other. D/s and M/s are more about authority and relationships while BDSM gears more towards actions of some sort.

That said, I don't think too many people get confused when the acronym is used and it's simple enough to ask if someone is including D/s in their definition.

If ya ain't bleeding over it, it's just not that important.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:19:44 PM

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 5:20:47 PM

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if it's all the fault of those horrible "internet people," then why are there people in real-life communities who've been involved in kink for decades and who barely get online because they barely know how to use a computer who believe that this interpretation of the acronym is just as valid? oh, they're wrong because they don't agree with you. or they're "misguided" or "using it the wrong way."

yeah okay. =p

No, but I do believe that bad information from the net filters into real life groups and gets passed on.

If I had to take a stab at it, My guess would be it's the Discipline part of the acronym that some folks want to translate into Dominance and submission. For some, it does mean that to them, but I can't say I necessarily see it as correct.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 7:07:45 PM

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nvm . . .

I blame it all on David Stein the SSC guy.

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RE: Which is it? - 8/20/2011 10:10:48 PM

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