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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 6:16:17 AM   
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"So when President Obama unilaterally took us into a war in Libya, it was all about protecting the civilians."

LOL, you really fucking believe that ?

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That's what the press release said, Termy, and that's the reasoning he has to own.  Firm was right on the head of the matter with the wmd comparison. 

How many US casulaties have occured in the Libyan operation? Is 0 too high a price to be paid to be rid of the guy responsible for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockerbie_bombing

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fort

And this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1482426.stm

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 6:35:05 AM   
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Could be we will soon find out who these rebels who we are installing into power are, and what it is that they want exactly.



Amazing!

This from the person who has hailed the "liberation of Iraq".

How did that one work out?


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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 7:18:01 AM   
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"Someone will have to make Termy get the short straw as we can't have people like him spoiling utopia"

You might not be much of a racist, but you certainly are one hell of a bigot. That's the real definition you know, not what you find in the bullshit. You want an advantage over me in a situation where I declared that it was totally random except for politicians and bankers.

So which are you, a politician or a banker ?

LOL you need to be consistent, you said the crammed countries, which inevitably would be mainly poor third-world ones, would be targetted above what you defined as good countries. Besides which, what I said about giving you the short straw so you wouldn't spoil utopia was a little thing human beings call a joke!

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 7:20:03 AM   
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Status: offline 		The article (and I laugh to think that anyone has the goddamn impudence to call anything contained therein analysis) is a disjointed series of whinges, topped with willful rhetorical lies passed off as premise.

All in all a bit of already used and abused asswipe.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 7:32:57 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"So when President Obama unilaterally took us into a war in Libya, it was all about protecting the civilians."

LOL, you really fucking believe that ?

T^T


That's what the press release said, Termy, and that's the reasoning he has to own.  Firm was right on the head of the matter with the wmd comparison. 

How many US casulaties have occured in the Libyan operation? Is 0 too high a price to be paid to be rid of the guy responsible for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockerbie_bombing

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fort

And this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1482426.stm



That`s the issue that got me upset during disaster-Iraq.

For months and years ronald dumbsfeld kept sending our GIs their to die and get maimed there, by the thousands.

And for what?

And rich and his ilk didn`t seem to have any problem with that.rich said a number of times that it didn`t bother him.

But here,with Libya,he seems to be most animated.Thread after thread on this one subject(most dying from dis-interest)alone.

He claims the difference is "legal". I think,tho he`s not been to clear about why we should all be up in arms about Libya.

The difference for me and most Americans is not who`s in charge (dem or con) but rather,.... is our military going after our enemies?

In Iraq,no.

In fact we(shrub) hanged one of the most affective terrorist-killers in the middle-east.

In Afghanistan and near there,yes.

In Libya,yes.

In Yemen,yes.

Yemen is where one of the terrorist attacks against us that cons forgot about happened, the Cole bombing.

Our president is taking the fight directly to our enemy`s doorstep.

The OP and article is just fear mongering and hoping for problems,so that neo-con-clowns can then say,"told ya so".

The basic issue that drives rich and his war monger friends presently, is trying to get vindication over Iraq,Abu-ghraib,torturing false confessions,tricking us into war there,the thousands of GIs killed and the tens of thousands of our GI`s maimed and all our money spent(a trillion) for NOTHING.

Their angst comes from all the guilt and embarrassment associated with shrub and Iraq.

At every possible opportunity they get,they try to vindicate themselves.

Remember when bin-laden was killed,they leaked a claim that bin-laden was found with info gotten during torture.Untrue but most importantly,completely self serving and indicative of their guilt over making the US a torture nation.

The cons going after the President on Libya aren`t doing it because they like the lockerbie bombers all that much.

They are doing it because they hate our president,all that much.It`s purely political hackery.

Most normal folks don`t see our security as a left right thing.

And some others........ see everything through a left-right lens,tying all logic and thoughts to that narrow prism.

rich and the cool-aid drinkers ironically think that support for President Obama`s actions is partisan.

When it`s their senseless and meaningless criticisms that are partisan and politically driven drivel.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:16:32 AM   
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I have read reports that Kuhdaffy is seeking somewhere to go.



Reports like that have been showing up about once a week since the thing started, Tazzy.  It would be nice, but with the ICC indictment, it doesn't seem very likely.  Even if he does leave, we still have a tribal society where the tribes have all sorts of ancient and fresh blood fueds to play with.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:18:47 AM   
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ORIGINAL: DomKen


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"So when President Obama unilaterally took us into a war in Libya, it was all about protecting the civilians."

LOL, you really fucking believe that ?

T^T


That's what the press release said, Termy, and that's the reasoning he has to own.  Firm was right on the head of the matter with the wmd comparison. 

How many US casulaties have occured in the Libyan operation? Is 0 too high a price to be paid to be rid of the guy responsible for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockerbie_bombing

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fort

And this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1482426.stm



Which of those links has the bit that authorizes POTUS to ignore the War Powers Act, Ken?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:26:27 AM   
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Which of those links has the bit that authorizes POTUS to ignore the War Powers Act, Ken?


Which part of the war powers act do you think applies (rather than the one I have quoted over and over and over again out here) and he is ignoring it?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:33:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		That would be the part that requires Congress to authorize military actions that go beyond a certain time-frame, Ron.  You know, the one they came up with after Vietnam, to try and prevent such a mess from snowballing again?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:45:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		That is simplistic, their are certain clauses in the war powers act that require certain conditions for that to be true.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 8:55:39 AM   
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Status: offline 		How lawyerly of you, Ron.  If we break it down into small enough pieces, an argument can be found where the letter might negate the spirit.

But since you're here, Ron, and since O59 has his mouth too full of David Axelrod's dick to do anything but gurgle, I'm curious who you think will be pulling the peacekeeper duty in Tripoli. 

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:06:20 AM   
Owner59


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Status: offline 		lol, It`s really about bush.......

All this childishness and a "hey,he did it too" logic, of 4 year olds.

When a child gets spanked for mis-behaving and sees his sibling not get spanked, for seemingly similar mis-behaviors,he points and demands his brother also get spanked.

That`s the logic here.lol Really,that`s the level here,4 year old.

It`s not that the President is wrong or is/was acting unlawfully.

It`s that President Obama isn`t getting spanked or taken to task, the way shrub was,seemingly.

It`s a case of sore losers counting beans, always with a feeling of operating at a loss.But these clowns can never live Iraq down.It isn`t possible.

This is a bit worse tho, because these critics WANT bad things to happen,just so they can bash the president over them.





What do you call people like that?



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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:08:09 AM   
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Status: offline 		(a) In the absence of a declaration of war, in any case in which United States Armed Forces are introduced--

b) The President shall provide such other information as the Congress may request in the fulfillment of its constitutional responsibilities with respect to committing the Nation to war and to the use of United States Armed Forces abroad

(c) Whenever United States Armed Forces are introduced into hostilities or into any situation described in subsection

1), whichever is earlier, the President shall terminate any use of United States Armed Forces with respect to which such report was submitted (or required to be submitted), unless the Congress

at any time that United States Armed Forces are engaged in hostilities outside the territory of the United States, its possessions and territories without a declaration of war or specific statutory authorization, such forces shall be removed

(bunch little snips, about half of them the rest have like provisions, hopefully you catch on)
Uh, how very hysterical of you. I am glad that cooler heads prevail, you are the type that would get us wound up in Iran or be tossing nukes in your nightmares only to find out we were wide awake.........

I think the intention of the war powers act is pretty fucking clear.......

In stentorian language, one would say, "now lookahere peckerwood, if you are fixing to go get a bunch of our young boys kilt and fetch us up into a war, you better have you a little check with us first".

I dont think you have to have much more than a 3rd grade level of reading ability to glean that.

Aint gotta be a lawyer.


Insofar as your other, the peacekeeping force? Bout the same as Egypt and the rest of the middle east, excepting Iraq and Afghanistan..........the people of the area.



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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:17:57 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think when he killed close to two hundred Americans,gaddafi declared war on us.

I`m still not getting why our "constitutionalists" have a problem warring on someone who attacked us and killed Americans.

gaddafi`s victims are going to be dead a long time,but there`s no statute of limitations on murder.


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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:21:07 AM   
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We were on the ground there actively fighting the al-Qaeda forces etc that were trying to fill the power vacuum, you moron

Learn to think for yourself and quit asking so many stupid questions that only prove youre capable of little more than sitting in a corner playing with your feces

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Could be we will soon find out who these rebels who we are installing into power are, and what it is that they want exactly.



Amazing!

This from the person who has hailed the "liberation of Iraq".

How did that one work out?




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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:21:51 AM   
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I think when he killed close to two hundred Americans,gaddafi declared war on us.

I`m still not getting why our "constitutionalists" have a problem waring on someone who attacked us and killed Americans.

gaddafi`s victims are going to be dead a long time,but there`s no statute of limitations on murder.

Unfortunately, Owner, the Pan Am 103 incident was treated as a criminal issue, not a causa belli.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:25:21 AM   
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Status: offline 		And Reagan was on the boat with a bullhorn why?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:35:03 AM   
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Imagine the uproar, the convulsive riots the left would have thrown themselves into were it a Republican installing unknown rebels into power in Libya

In violation of the War Powers act


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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:36:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		And has the Congress, Ron?  Is it not hostile if I build a remote control plane with 3 gallons of propane on board, and crash it into your house? 

"What, officer?  I was miles away at the time!"

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:36:52 AM   
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And Reagan was on the boat with a bullhorn why?

Proportional response.  Then the criminal/legal system.

Are you saying that the Pan Am flight is justification for the actions of the US in Libya today?

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