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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:39:35 AM

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I think when he killed close to two hundred Americans,gaddafi declared war on us.

I`m still not getting why our "constitutionalists" have a problem waring on someone who attacked us and killed Americans.

gaddafi`s victims are going to be dead a long time,but there`s no statute of limitations on murder.

Unfortunately, Owner, the Pan Am 103 incident was treated as a criminal issue, not a causa belli.

Firm

There`s no statute of limitaions for murder,Firm.

Let`s not kid ourselves.

Murder, can always be revisted.

I noticed you`re one of few cons here who haven`t joined in with this loser of an argument.

Smart cookie, this guy Firm.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:53:40 AM

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"So when President Obama unilaterally took us into a war in Libya, it was all about protecting the civilians."

LOL, you really fucking believe that ?

T^T

That's what the press release said, Termy, and that's the reasoning he has to own. Firm was right on the head of the matter with the wmd comparison.

How many US casulaties have occured in the Libyan operation? Is 0 too high a price to be paid to be rid of the guy responsible for this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockerbie_bombing

and this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Fort

And this:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/1482426.stm

Which of those links has the bit that authorizes POTUS to ignore the War Powers Act, Ken?

If the GOP would like to go to court they are welcome to. Of course they don't because the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:57:07 AM

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We were on the ground there actively fighting the al-Qaeda forces etc that were trying to fill the power vacuum, you moron

So let me get this straight, we have to be in Iraq because of the power vacuum caused by us invading the country in the first place? How are you able to breathe if that is an example of your intelligence?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 9:58:50 AM

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Its kinda fun to have these pretzel-brained leftists on record arguing for a new Middle East war at this point in history.

But claiming that the War Powers act is unconstitutional in defense of an illegal war, thats just gravy man...

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If the GOP would like to go to court they are welcome to. Of course they don't because the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:02:44 AM

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

Its kinda fun to have these pretzel-brained leftists on record arguing for a new Middle East war at this point in history.

But claiming that the War Powers act is unconstitutional in defense of an illegal war, thats just gravy man...

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If the GOP would like to go to court they are welcome to. Of course they don't because the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

If you think the War Powers Act is definitely constitutional you are a fool. Democrats and Republicans alike have considered the act unconstitutional since it was passed. That's why no Congress has ever tried to actually enforce the thing.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:04:54 AM

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You will never have anything straight, doofus.

Lets see if I can make this simple enough that even you and rml can get it, just because I am such a nice guy...

We are creating a power vacuum in Libya without a thought or a concern for who will fill that power vacuum

In Iraq, we took that into consideration before creating a power vacuum there, as responsible adults should

And we were on the ground helping to establish a stable form of government in Iraq

In Libya, we are a part of the madness there because the powers that be (our president and his administration) lack the required intelligence to think such things through to any degree

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ORIGINAL: Sanity

We were on the ground there actively fighting the al-Qaeda forces etc that were trying to fill the power vacuum, you moron

So let me get this straight, we have to be in Iraq because of the power vacuum caused by us invading the country in the first place? How are you able to breathe if that is an example of your intelligence?

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:09:17 AM

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In Iraq, we took that into consideration before creating a power vacuum there, as responsible adults should

this is the ephitaph of a true doofus.

You of course have citations of how we were going to do this, our plan for the kurdish problem, the Iranian problem and so on.

This is asswipe of the highest order tom.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:11:23 AM

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If the GOP would like to go to court they are welcome to. Of course they don't because the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

Thats been done before SCOTUS says they got no standing, SCOTUS says they dont like the law or its violated, make a new fuckin one.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:11:57 AM

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Owner59

I think when he killed close to two hundred Americans,gaddafi declared war on us.

I`m still not getting why our "constitutionalists" have a problem waring on someone who attacked us and killed Americans.

gaddafi`s victims are going to be dead a long time,but there`s no statute of limitations on murder.

Unfortunately, Owner, the Pan Am 103 incident was treated as a criminal issue, not a causa belli.

There`s no statute of limitaions for murder,Firm.

Let`s not kid ourselves.

Murder, can always be revisted.

I noticed you`re one of few cons here who haven`t joined in with this loser of an argument.

Smart cookie, this guy Firm.

Well, I don't know if I'm really that smart. I'm not sure who is making what arguments, exactly.

I thought that Heretic was basically saying that there was likely to be a bloodbath in Libya, and that the stated reason for our intervention there was to prevent such an incident. And, if preventing such a bloodbath was the reason, then we had an obligation to prevent this one as well.

Which it doesn't appear that we will be doing, and therefore kinda putting into question the justifications for getting involved in the first place.

My initial comment attempted to compare lib attacks against Bush in Iraq ("The WMD justification was a lie!") with the rights attacks against Obama in Libya ("The humanitarianism justification was a lie!").

In the Iraqi case, the people who defended the appropriateness of the action gave other reasons. In the case of Libya, I haven't really seen any other justification, other than "it ain't illegal!".

There are other striking similarities and dissimilarities, but that was the primary.

Firm

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:13:41 AM

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the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

There is a case to be made for that view, Ken, yet the Pres. didn't choose to make that argument. Instead, he insisted that war by remote control wasn't war, and that the act didn't apply.

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 10:16:56 AM

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I have read reports that Kuhdaffy is seeking somewhere to go.

Reports like that have been showing up about once a week since the thing started, Tazzy. It would be nice, but with the ICC indictment, it doesn't seem very likely. Even if he does leave, we still have a tribal society where the tribes have all sorts of ancient and fresh blood fueds to play with.

I read the same thing as well. Tunisia, Eqypt, Algeria and Morroco are countries that Gaddafi has asked if his family could seek refuge there. And reports are saying Gaddafi himself wants to seek refuge in Tunisia.

Earlier today, a Tunisian radio journalist reported that a Venezuelan plane landed on the tiny island of Djerba - a short drive from the Libyan border and Tripoli - to possibly evacuate Gaddafi's family members, according to this story from China's state-run Xinhua.

http://www.globalpost.com/dispatches/globalpost-blogs/the-casbah/gaddafi-looking-way-out

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 11:04:45 AM

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Meanwhile Assad is absolutely shitting his pants because Blowboy and Shrill tell him he should step down.

ROFL

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 12:15:14 PM

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And apart from armchair lawyers and constitutionalists, and the usual haters,the fact that they havent had him up on charges already says alot about the maybe, ifs and hows.
Because my god if anyone could offer up Obama on treason, or impeachable offenses, they would have him floating with Osama by now.
Topic belongs on the humour page, seeing as we dont have a "If I were god I would....."page

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 1:05:31 PM

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"Freedom`s on the march"

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!
Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 1:28:13 PM

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!
Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!

Reminds me of 99 red balloons. War is war, no matter what party, country, or civilization you belong to.

You and I, and a little toy shop
Buy a bag of balloons with the money we've got
Set them free at the break of dawn
'Til one by one, they were gone

Back at base, bugs in the software
Flash the message, "Some thing's out there"
Floating in the summer sky
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine red balloons
Floating in the summer sky
Panic lads, it's a red alert
There's something here from somewhere else

The war machine springs to life
Opens up one eager eye
Focusing it on the sky
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine Decision Street
Ninety-nine ministers meet
To worry, worry, super-scurry
Call the troops out in a hurry

This is what we've waiting for
This is it boys, this is war
The President is on the line
As ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine knights of the air
Riding super high-tech jet fighters
Everyone's a super hero
Everyone's a Captain Kirk

With orders to identify, to clarify and classify
Scrambling in the summer sky
As ninety-nine red balloons go by
Ninety-nine red balloons go by

Ninety-nine dreams I have had
Every one a red balloon
Now it's all over and I'm standin' pretty
In this dust that was a city

If I could find a souvenir
Just to prove the world was here
And here is a red balloon
I think of you and let it go

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 1:44:41 PM

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ORIGINAL: Real0ne
Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of death's construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds
Oh lord yeah!
Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor
Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait 'til their judgement day comes
Yeah!
Now in darkness world stops turning
Ashes where the bodies burning
No more war pigs have the power
Hand of God has struck the hour
Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees the war pig's crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan laughing spreads his wings
Oh lord yeah!

It would seem R0 rarely has an original thought as he just keeps pasting the lyrics to War Pigs in as he keeps doing on almost every page of the 9/11 thread.

He did the same with the Thomas Jefferson quote until a month or two ago I proved it was misattributed to Jefferson in an essay a few years back!

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 2:57:48 PM

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Breaking news out of Libya, with journalists in Tripoli reporting gunfire and mortars in a neighborhood, and at the airport .

http://news.yahoo.com/heavy-gunfire-heard-tripoli-212033914.html

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RE: And now for a real slaughter - 8/20/2011 6:00:18 PM

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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

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ORIGINAL: DomKen
the War Powers act is unconstitutional.

There is a case to be made for that view, Ken, yet the Pres. didn't choose to make that argument. Instead, he insisted that war by remote control wasn't war, and that the act didn't apply.

Which is completely ok with the American people.

The normal,patriotic thinking Americans.

Let me ask the debate cramp.....

How do you (re)define the word slaughter?

Because your disaster-Iraq was most certainly a slaughter.

A slaughter of our service men and woman and a slaughter of innocent Iraqi civilians.A pointless,deliberate slaughter.

Fuck,after Iraq,bush apologists shouldn`t even use words like slaughter,treason or immorality.

It`s just going to make us remember the worst president in history,again

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