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paulmcuk -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:14:48 AM)

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But the Islamic world has brought us much


Has it? Certainly people from Islamic countries have contributed to the world in a number of ways but I'm not sure how much, if any, of that is because they were from Islamic countries.

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If you are a god fearing person, Christian or Jew what problem do you have with a religion which is based on the same ?


That's actually quite amusing. Religions have been trying to wipe out/forcibly convert every other religion throughout recorded history. For many of them, it's explicitly stated in the relevant holy book that god commands them to do it.

Ok, Jews pretty much just want to be left in peace these days (issues in Palestine notwithstanding) and the worst excesses of the various Christian sects have been tamed by democracy, but its the openly stated mission of the Muslim nutjobs to convert or kill. The nutjobs are still in a minority but only a fool would be blind to the potential threat.




LadyAngelika -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:15:49 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Actually, I called you a bigot based on this statement:

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ORIGINAL: Rule

They have a six times higher frequency of lethal inherited diseases. They are inbred. They - generic - lack Grace, i.e. many of them are without a conscience. They murder females.

I refer you to my posts 38 and 39, providing examples of the truth of my statements.


And I'm sure if I tried I can find identical examples by other religions. I actually posted one as a reply.

Again, you are isolating a few examples that fuel your bigotry rather than looking at the big picture. You fear what you know nothing about. Sad.





LadyAngelika -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:17:18 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
You may want to check your hate speach then.

What hate speech?



If I have to point it out to you again, then you are even more clueless than I initially thought.




Rule -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:17:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
Funny. Obviously a ploy to bait me.

Pff. You blonds have no sense of humor.

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
I have absolutely no clue what you are getting at with this colourful imagery.

So you are blond. [8D]




Rule -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:19:31 AM)

You do not know the first thing about Mohammad.




Rule -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:24:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: paulmcuk
its the openly stated mission of the Muslim nutjobs to convert or kill. The nutjobs are still in a minority but only a fool would be blind to the potential threat.

To which I add that I suspect that a lot of them Muslim nuts are actually financed and manipulated by Western powers.




Anaxagoras -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:25:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Rule
You do not know the first thing about Mohammad.

Rule believes Jews manipulated the Koran for machiavellian ends! [;)]




MyVision -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:26:26 AM)

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To which I add that I suspect that a lot of them Muslim nuts are actually financed and manipulated by Western powers.


a lott of Arabian princes seem to invest in the terrorist groups.
And yes..they are allies of the west, the countries in which they are part of the leadership




Rule -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:27:44 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika
If I have to point it out to you again, then you are even more clueless than I initially thought.

Maybe I do have a clue: If I assert that you are blond, then it is hate speech, right?




LadyAngelika -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 11:55:54 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: paulmcuk
its the openly stated mission of the Muslim nutjobs to convert or kill. The nutjobs are still in a minority but only a fool would be blind to the potential threat.

To which I add that I suspect that a lot of them Muslim nuts are actually financed and manipulated by Western powers.



While I don't think it's all that organised, neat and tidy as you present it, I know that Western powers, more specifically the right-wing ones, benefit from the "axes of evil" (and probably to a certain point maintain it) as it feeds the necessary fear in its citizens in order to justify throwing a whole whack of money and energy at wars, because a public living in fear is a subservient one.




OrionTheWolf -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 2:32:19 PM)

~FR~

The links and quotes that Rule provided to support his claims, are issues of culture, and not of religion. A good example is people mistakenly believe the bhurka is a religious garment, when in fact it is cultural. It happened with Christianity, as it happens with Islam, the culture in which it is practiced and taught influences many things about it.




Aneirin -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 2:38:05 PM)


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ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika


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ORIGINAL: Rule

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ORIGINAL: paulmcuk
its the openly stated mission of the Muslim nutjobs to convert or kill. The nutjobs are still in a minority but only a fool would be blind to the potential threat.

To which I add that I suspect that a lot of them Muslim nuts are actually financed and manipulated by Western powers.



While I don't think it's all that organised, neat and tidy as you present it, I know that Western powers, more specifically the right-wing ones, benefit from the "axes of evil" (and probably to a certain point maintain it) as it feeds the necessary fear in its citizens in order to justify throwing a whole whack of money and energy at wars, because a public living in fear is a subservient one.


Bingo !

And in maintaining fear in home countries, military spending is justified, so to the countries that they buy energy from, they proudly display their military capability as some kind of vieled threat, deal with us on our terms or we coud take what you have. Unfortunately reecent expeditions overseas have to some extent questioned the western military power to the tune of as it all just bluster and front, as what the world is seeing is a military machine challenged and held at bay by what amounts to basically irregulars, people who would otherwise be perhaps tradesmen in times of peace, not professional soldiers.

But what I was trying to get at with the OP, is when people are elevated to positions of wealth power and influence, things like religion tend to be forgotten, so if by chance Islam did hit the west in terms of politics, would they be any different from what we have now ?

Or would things carry on relatively as normal bearing in mind a multi cultural population has to be treated the same to be called democracy, and to remember in our western governments there are already elements of what we denigrate the Muslims for, Gays in the military for example as to understand the issue of acceptable homosexuality is not that long accepted in our western world either, how long ago was it that gays were persecuted in our culture ?

If we in our world have been what we criticise others for, how can we, when it is in our history too, and in some cases recent living history.

Now we in our world have largely thrown off the shackles of religion, when others of a bogeyman status do so, or have done so, will we recognise it, or apply the skin colour, culture and ancestry test to maintain an enemy to fear, arm against and subjugate others through fear ?




willbeurdaddy -> RE: If Islam .......? (8/21/2011 2:47:27 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: Rule
You do not know the first thing about Mohammad.

Rule believes Jews manipulated the Koran for machiavellian ends! [;)]


And needed Mohammed just to have a good place to hear tunes (and one of my favorite melodies):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=44Rwu5yPUrc

Everybody's restless and they've got no place to go
Someone's always trying to tell them
Something they already know
So their anger and resentment flow

But don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

You know, the Sharif's got his problems too
He will surely take them out on you
In walked the village idiot and his face was all aglow
He's been up all night listening to Mohammed's Radio

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long
Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

Everybody's desperate trying to make ends meet
Work all day, still can't pay the price of gasoline and meat
Alas, their lives are incomplete

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long Mohammed's Radio
I heard somebody singing sweet and soulful
On the radio, Mohammed's Radio

You've been up all night listening for his drum
Hoping that the righteous might just might just might just come
I heard the General whisper to his aide-de-camp
"Be watchful for Mohammed's lamp"

Don't it make you want to rock and roll
All night long Mohammed's Radio




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