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Lockit -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 10:56:30 AM)
Why the need to go into history when we have current deeds being done and people in danger? Why not focus on people teaching/promoting and defending parental rights to at minimum, mentally and emotionally abuse minors? Why argue this bullshit, when we could actually do something to promote some sanity? Freedom of speech... great... speak... but when we have these abuses taking place all around us and we say nothing but to defend freedom of speech... I have to say... fuck that.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:03:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Read beyond what you read from one single atheist and dispel your delusions The Wiki article on Marxism and religion for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marxism_and_religion I'd rather read from an expert on the issue (and others who have written similar accounts) than an encyclopedic entry co-written by anyone with an opinion. I have no delusions but rather an educated viewpoint. Are all atheists perfect individuals? Far from it. But people do not kill in the name of atheism. You clearly misunderstand what atheism is.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:08:20 AM)
quote: What action, if any, should be taken on the author of the book To Train Up A Child the couple based their "discipline methods" on? none. the book and its authors are complete whackfucks, and as much as it will piss off firm - the basis of their whackfuckery is their christianity. it's all bible-based. here's an interesting read on them and their teachings, interpreted by a christian, using the bible to refute them. tard fight!! [:D] http://biblearchive.com/blog/2010/apologetics/to-train-up-a-child-an-examination-of-the-pearl-method/ this bit struck me particularly quote: It is preparation for future, instant, unquestioning obedience. and some think that religion is a choice freely made.[8\|]

DomKen -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:10:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I have not read To Train Up a Child. But I doubt very much that it states that children should be violently beaten regularly. Actually it does. http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls

Lockit -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:16:27 AM)
DomKen, that link went to what looked like an article and then went to a download and something about cell phones.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:19:01 AM)
click the spot where it says "close and enter salon" in the top left and the cell phone ad goes away. just follow the directions.[8\|]

Lockit -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:25:51 AM)
Thanks, I got a different one this time. I couldn't see the small print. Some days my eyes fail.

TheHeretic -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:41:49 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lockit Why argue this bullshit, when we could actually do something to promote some sanity? Freedom of speech... great... speak... but when we have these abuses taking place all around us and we say nothing but to defend freedom of speech... I have to say... fuck that. Didn't you like my earlier suggestion, Lockit? You have it backwards. A horrible tragedy, but what shall we do promote some sanity? The author of this thread thinks something needs to be done about the words that were written. I have to say "fuck that." This extreme abuse under color of religion has been dealt within our justice system, and I suspect the inner workings of California's penal system will ensure the punishment suits the crime. That's a critical difference worth noting, compared to places where the medieval visions of fundamentalist crazies are the law, instead of a kook fringe.

FirmhandKY -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:45:19 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: What action, if any, should be taken on the author of the book To Train Up A Child the couple based their "discipline methods" on? none. the book and its authors are complete whackfucks, and as much as it will piss off firm - the basis of their whackfuckery is their christianity. it's all bible-based. Nahh, doesn't piss me off. We can discuss it, but I wanted to take what you said, and apply it to something slightly different. the basis of their whackfuckery is their christianity. When it comes to the argument between Sanity and LadyAngelika, if this logic applies to Christianity, it certainly applies to Communism and Atheism. Firm

flcouple2009 -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 11:50:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather the book and its authors are complete whackfucks, and as much as it will piss off firm - the basis of their whackfuckery is their christianity. it's all bible-based. You'll learn. Old Firm always jumps in to defend the Christians no matter how terrible their "whatfuckery" may be. I grew up around this kind of nonsense. The Mrs father is a minister. Often when they were kids she and her siblings couldn't wear shorts or had to be kept home from school for a number of days because the chances were high someone would have called Child Protective Services. My parents were not that insane but I grew up around others who were not so lucky. My personal opinion is that anyone who promotes hitting a child with 1/2" pvc pipe should be treated like a rabid dog and put down.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:08:49 PM)
quote: it certainly applies to Communism and Atheism. it would, except that atheism is not the root of marxism, it is a result of it. it comes from marx's observations on the role organized religion plays in keeping the lower classes quiescent. now, if lenin's murders could be said to be based on his atheism, maybe. they weren't, they were based on his theories of terror as an instrument of public fucking policy. stalin? paranoia. and so on. these people did not kill in the name of atheism, they killed any who opposed them. their atheism was merely an extension of their political philosophy, not it's root. it was a weapon used to destroy a powerful segment of society that opposed them and supported their opponents. anyway, stalin is said to have consulted priests to assuage his worries over the fate of his fucking soul <no i don't fucking remember which book i read it in, i think it was called red tsar, but it may have been another>. during the war, stalin reopened the churches and promoted masses and prayers for victory - hardly the actions of a man who would kill in the name of atheism. atheism to them was an expression of their opposition to the religious authorities who assisted in the "oppression" of the workers, not a matter of actual belief or not in a deity. political expedience, not fucking theology.

TreasureKY -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:09:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I have not read To Train Up a Child. But I doubt very much that it states that children should be violently beaten regularly. Actually it does. http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls Bull. From the article you link: "Much of the Pearls' instruction is not about "switching," but simply about raising cheerful, creative children, who value adventure and accomplishment, and enjoy a close bond with both parents..." And from their own website, linked in the article: "We believe the rod should not be used as a vent for parents’ anger. There is no place for vindictiveness or aggression in training children. The rod should not be applied at the end of an intolerance curve. Where the supreme motivation is anything other than the child’s good, the rod should not be used." and "You are abusing the child when it starts doing harm to the child. Listen to your friends—especially to those friends that share your philosophy. Ask the opinion of people you respect. If they think you are abusive, get counsel in a hurry. Ask the opinion of your older children. If your child is broken in spirit, cowed and subdued, you have a problem. Children should be happy and cheerful, full of enthusiasm and creativity. If your children are fearful or anxious, you should get some counsel." Sure, you can disagree with their methods entirely... no problem. However, in my opinion, only a twisted mind could possibly read this and think that the Pearl's advocate "violently beaten regularly". [8\|]

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:11:33 PM)
quote: treated like a rabid dog and put down. christ on a cupcake, you're one bloodthirsty motherfucker aren't you?

orchid77 -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:16:01 PM)
I don't think anything should happen to the author. Just like everyone yells about Freedom of Speech- I think this will fit. However, anyone who decides to go to extreme levels of behavior should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Yes, yes, I would love to say the author should be jailed- but in reality we know this is NOT going to happen. And if it does, there are load of other books that should have authors thrown in jail too.

Sanity -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:30:37 PM)
Theyre rabid dogs. quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: treated like a rabid dog and put down. christ on a cupcake, you're one bloodthirsty motherfucker aren't you?

flcouple2009 -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:37:00 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: treated like a rabid dog and put down. christ on a cupcake, you're one bloodthirsty motherfucker aren't you? I have zero tolerance for people who either perform or promote abuse and mistreatment of children.

DomKen -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 12:42:55 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreasureKY quote: ORIGINAL: DomKen quote: ORIGINAL: DarkSteven I have not read To Train Up a Child. But I doubt very much that it states that children should be violently beaten regularly. Actually it does. http://www.salon.com/life/feature/2006/05/25/the_pearls Bull. From the article you link: "Much of the Pearls' instruction is not about "switching," but simply about raising cheerful, creative children, who value adventure and accomplishment, and enjoy a close bond with both parents..." And from their own website, linked in the article: "We believe the rod should not be used as a vent for parents’ anger. There is no place for vindictiveness or aggression in training children. The rod should not be applied at the end of an intolerance curve. Where the supreme motivation is anything other than the child’s good, the rod should not be used." and "You are abusing the child when it starts doing harm to the child. Listen to your friends—especially to those friends that share your philosophy. Ask the opinion of people you respect. If they think you are abusive, get counsel in a hurry. Ask the opinion of your older children. If your child is broken in spirit, cowed and subdued, you have a problem. Children should be happy and cheerful, full of enthusiasm and creativity. If your children are fearful or anxious, you should get some counsel." Sure, you can disagree with their methods entirely... no problem. However, in my opinion, only a twisted mind could possibly read this and think that the Pearl's advocate "violently beaten regularly". [8\|] So 10 strokes to a young child with a length of 3/4" PVC tubing every time the child isn't completely obedient isn't violent and regular? As a survivor of such abuse, my father prefered the garden hose since it didn't leave tell tale marks, I'll simply have to disagree. The 2 dead children would also tend to argue that the methods taught are not so good.

TheHeretic -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 1:02:24 PM)
Ken, why do you do this? You get called out for lying about what is said in a link, and you respond by escalating the rhetoric. Your interpretation of what is endorsed, says far more about you, than it does about what the views the author has expressed.

Sanity -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 1:06:04 PM)
Your "expert" is obviously very biased quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I'd rather read from an expert on the issue (and others who have written similar accounts) than an encyclopedic entry co-written by anyone with an opinion. I have no delusions but rather an educated viewpoint. Are all atheists perfect individuals? Far from it. But people do not kill in the name of atheism. You clearly misunderstand what atheism is.

LadyAngelika -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/21/2011 1:08:21 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Sanity Your "expert" is obviously very biased quote: ORIGINAL: LadyAngelika I'd rather read from an expert on the issue (and others who have written similar accounts) than an encyclopedic entry co-written by anyone with an opinion. I have no delusions but rather an educated viewpoint. Are all atheists perfect individuals? Far from it. But people do not kill in the name of atheism. You clearly misunderstand what atheism is. Part of being an expert is taking a position. Taking a position doesn't necessarily mean being biased.

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