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LillyBoPeep -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:15:01 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet The thing that is so shocking about these cases is that these are parents who in some twisted way believe they are practicing good parenting. They read the book in the first place in order to get ideas to be better parents and raise their children "right" it's mind boggling isn't it? you wonder how that justification works out in their minds. "well of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to beat a 7 year old girl with a piece of plumbing line. of course!" i just don't get it. i heard about the Slack case on one of those "true crime" documentaries... just bananas. somehow, someway, these people think they're doing a good thing. bizarre.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:19:23 AM)
quote: It would be nice if they were ethical enough to decide to stop publishing this shit on their own, though. this isn't the first kid beaten to death by parents who read their fucking book. last night i read about another, a 4-year old boy i think it was. that didn't even slow them down, let alone stop them, so i doubt this will either.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:26:24 AM)
quote: it's mind boggling isn't it? you wonder how that justification works out in their minds. "well of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to beat a 7 year old girl with a piece of plumbing line. of course!" it's god's will. people have done all sorts of obviously fucked up shit because they got it in their heads that god wanted it. once you suspend reason to accept that there is a god, then it's a simple thing to do it again to say "all 'those' people need to be killed off" or "this kid needs to be beaten" or "we need to burn her alive" any number of other stupid fucking ideas. that's what makes religion so fucking dangerous.

Aylee -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 9:31:12 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet The thing that is so shocking about these cases is that these are parents who in some twisted way believe they are practicing good parenting. They read the book in the first place in order to get ideas to be better parents and raise their children "right" it's mind boggling isn't it? you wonder how that justification works out in their minds. "well of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to beat a 7 year old girl with a piece of plumbing line. of course!" i just don't get it. i heard about the Slack case on one of those "true crime" documentaries... just bananas. somehow, someway, these people think they're doing a good thing. bizarre. Actually that part makes a certain kind of sense. Two motrin are good for a headache, so ten must be even better. A spanking is a good tool for changing behavior, when it does not work we must not be doing it hard/long enough. More would be better. "Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again but expecting different results." People get wedded to ideas and cease being able to consider alternatives even when something is not working. Following step-by-step instructions works well for changing a tire on a car, regardless of the make and model. It does not work so well on humans. But very few humans are able to step back when what they are doing is not working and consider other options. Now, just because I have an idea of what the thinking was, does not mean that I find what happened acceptable.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:00:16 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: Amazing, isnt it. no it isn't. i'll tell you what is fucking amazing. that you both are taking a common turn of phrase, an expression, wherein a key word "apparently" is left out because it is understood, as some sort of evidence of a scientific, medical, legal, and linguistic impossibility. this one i'm not going to count, as it's really just commentary on your own obvious obtuseness which you're misinterpreting as brilliance, so we're still at 11 - 0 in favour of reality. Come back when you get a medical degree and actually know what you are talking about.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:02:35 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LillyBoPeep quote: ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet The thing that is so shocking about these cases is that these are parents who in some twisted way believe they are practicing good parenting. They read the book in the first place in order to get ideas to be better parents and raise their children "right" it's mind boggling isn't it? you wonder how that justification works out in their minds. "well of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to beat a 7 year old girl with a piece of plumbing line. of course!" i just don't get it. i heard about the Slack case on one of those "true crime" documentaries... just bananas. somehow, someway, these people think they're doing a good thing. bizarre. Some should never be parents. Sadly, many of them are able to hide that fact until the damage is done.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:03:49 AM)
[8\|] reality: 12, tazzy: 0

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:04:52 AM)
The fact that they did it because they thought it was god's will isn't as shocking as the fact that they did it because they believed they were being good parents. They wanted what other parents want, supposedly. For their child to be safe (I know, seems hard to believe) and to grow up into whatever they believe constituted a responsible adult. It is just mind boggling that it got so twisted in their heads. The authors won't stop publishing, you are right. Sounds like they are making a living off of this. An ethical person would see that giving some people "permission" actually a "duty" to beat their kids is dangerous, and is going to lead to this kind of thing. Kids can be annoying at times, and parents get angry. If an angry parent believes it is OK to hit their kid with PVC pipe, then that is a dangerous combination. Having a calm conversation with the kid in a loving manner, and THEN hitting him with the PVC is not much better. Talk about creating trust issues. One time when I was about 13, I pissed my dad off so bad he started kicking me in the shins, which really wasn't like him. I think it was because I didn't want to go on the family vacation and I was complaining about it. I was black and blue for weeks. Let's just say it permanently damaged our relationship, I never really forgave him. How much can kids who are raised like this really trust their parents? quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather quote: it's mind boggling isn't it? you wonder how that justification works out in their minds. "well of COURSE it's perfectly acceptable to beat a 7 year old girl with a piece of plumbing line. of course!" it's god's will. people have done all sorts of obviously fucked up shit because they got it in their heads that god wanted it. once you suspend reason to accept that there is a god, then it's a simple thing to do it again to say "all 'those' people need to be killed off" or "this kid needs to be beaten" or "we need to burn her alive" any number of other stupid fucking ideas. that's what makes religion so fucking dangerous.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:07:18 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather [8\|] reality: 12, tazzy: 0 ~smirks I'm impressed. Didn't think you could count that high. But, yes, we know you are at your limitations. [;)]

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:10:33 AM)
quote: The fact that they did it because they thought it was god's will isn't as shocking as the fact that they did it because they believed they were being good parents. They wanted what other parents want, supposedly. For their child to be safe (I know, seems hard to believe) and to grow up into whatever they believe constituted a responsible adult. It is just mind boggling that it got so twisted in their heads. The authors won't stop publishing, you are right. Sounds like they are making a living off of this. An ethical person would see that giving some people "permission" actually a "duty" to beat their kids is dangerous, and is going to lead to this kind of thing. Kids can be annoying at times, and parents get angry. If an angry parent believes it is OK to hit their kid with PVC pipe, then that is a dangerous combination. Having a calm conversation with the kid in a loving manner, and THEN hitting him with the PVC is not much better. Talk about creating trust issues. One time when I was about 13, I pissed my dad off so bad he started kicking me in the shins, which really wasn't like him. I think it was because I didn't want to go on the family vacation and I was complaining about. I was black and blue for weeks. Let's just say it permanently damaged our relationship. How much can kids who are raised like this really trust their parents? 9 children at home all day long, 365 days a year... 3 from a foreign country... a recipe for disaster indeed.

HannahLynHeather -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:17:06 AM)
quote: But, yes, we know you are at your limitations. we surpassed yours way the fuck back at post #128.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 10:17:37 AM)
[:D]

kalikshama -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 11:31:29 AM)
quote: How much can kids who are raised like this really trust their parents? Or trust anybody, really. Sometimes, the father administering the beating gets projected onto all men, and the mother who did nothing gets projected onto all women.

tazzygirl -> RE: Spanked to death in the name of God? (8/22/2011 4:10:52 PM)
When that is all you know.....

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