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Iamsemisweet -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 10:29:39 AM)

They also live in Montana, by the way, so treatment choices are few and far between.  As it is, the facility where my nephew is located is pretty far from the town where they live.




Arpig -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 10:30:29 AM)

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I don't know what to do other than that.
Sue for custody. Other than that, not a thing. Sometimes things are simply beyond our control.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 10:39:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

I don't know what to do other than that.  


Out of curiosity, are you able to visit the boy?  If your SIL is afraid of him, I don't imagine she visits much.  You might not be able to change his situation, but if you're allowed to visit, it could be beneficial for him to know someone cares about him.  You might also be able to ask his doctors if you can bring him things like crayons and paper to make his life more comfortable.  They'll tell you what's allowed and what might help with his treatment. 




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 10:54:43 AM)

I don't mean to make my SIL look like a bad person, she does what she can when it comes to her son (daughter is another story).  It is a good idea about the visit, I will do that the next time I visit MT.  I am assuming they will allow me to do that, with the mother's permission.




SylvereApLeanan -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 11:05:27 AM)

We do the best we can for our kids.  I'm sure your SIL is doing hers, but you mentioned she has another child with a history of abuse still at home.  I'm sure that takes up a lot of her time.  You can always call the facility your nephew is in and ask what their visitor policies are.  While you're at it, you can ask about mail, phone calls and care packages.  Something as simple as a holiday card or a care package with crayons and a candy bar might mean a lot to an institutionalized child.  Or it might not mean anything, I don't know.  The staff can probably give you some general tips for what would be appropriate without violating HIPPA.




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 11:12:22 AM)

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I don't mean to make my SIL look like a bad person, she does what she can when it comes to her son (daughter is another story).
If she's not doing what she can for the daughter who is living with her, then she is a bad person.




kalikshama -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 4:14:41 PM)

FR,

I printed this for my mother (my brother is mentally ill and is having a neuro-psych eval tomorrow) and thought it might be of interest: The Epidemic of Mental Illness

KK




fragilepieces -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 4:15:42 PM)

Iamsemisweet-
I promised to recommend some books---for now here are some links that may help.  

http://scholarsbank.uoregon.edu/xmlui/bitstream/handle/1794/1384/Diss_1_3_7_OCR_rev.pdf?sequence=4
http://bipolardisordertype.com/a-brief-explanation-of-dissociative-identity-disorder-multiple-personality-disorder/http://www.astraeasweb.net/plural/tart.html
http://didlegit.com/dissociation.html
http://sidran.org/sub.cfm?contentID=38&sectionid=4

If you need more please let me know.    [:)]






hausboy -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/23/2011 5:25:32 PM)

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ORIGINAL: PeonForHer

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

Steven....
I'm going to share something here....something very personal..... hope I don't regret it.

I do not remember if it was before...or after the abuse....but I had an imaginary friend--He was my "hero friend", he was a rugged man with a moustache...and wore a workshirt and a yellow hard hat, and he was my "protector."  I remember asking him his name--and he told me his name was "Hole."   My parents tolerated me talking about my imaginary friend but I remember him being very real to me.

As I got older, he frequented my dreams....then disappeared as imaginary friends do when we age.

Fast forward to more than 20 years later, after I had my gender-transition.  I was coming home from a shift at the fire station, and because my hands were full, I plopped my helmet on my head as I headed up the stairs.  I walked past a mirror in the alcove, and stopped frozen in my tracks.  There, in the mirror....it was him.  It was Hole.  The workshirt...the yellow helmet..the moustache...the EXACT face I had seen so many years before.

And that's when it hit me.  As a child, I asked him his name,  he wasn't saying his name was "Hole"....what he actually said was "I'm WHOLE."  I don't know how to ever really explain this, but it was like I was my own protector, telling myself that I was finally "whole" as a person, as a man, and the splintered self that I felt as child would one day be whole again.

I know that all sounds weird, but it's entirely true.





What an amazing story.

That, my friend, is *well* worth turning into a novel.  Blimey, I can already even picture it on the big screen . . . .


thanks.  novel already in progress actually....




LafayetteLady -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/24/2011 3:06:44 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Lafayette, good question about my role in this.  My brother and I were not close, but we reconciled while he was dying of pancreatic cancer.  We did not talk much about the specific diagnosis of his son, just because there was a lot going on, including issues with another child that I am very concerned about.  She went through much the same thing as her brother, although for longer, since she was older.  I had some big issues with the way my brother and his wife were treating her, so we spent time talking about her, and not so much his son.  IN addition, my brother's insurance company was constantly looking for ways to deny coverage, so we spent a lot of time dealing with that.
My brother's wife is afraid of the boy (don't blame her), so at this point I don't see anything changing for him unless the insurance company does manage to drop them.  She, quite honestly, does not want to talk about it, and she is angry with me because of my meddling with the daughter.  Horrible, horrible situation, and not one that I can really do anything about, except for one thing.  When my mother dies, the son and his sister will be inheriting some money, and I would like to see that it goes to help him make his life more comfortable.  I don't know what to do other than that.  


As another poster stated, your relationship with your SIL would not necessarily inhibit your ability to have a relationship with the boy. If your SIL does want to do what she can for the child, then making you his legal guardian and possibly finding a more appropriate placement for him near you would be good.

No disrespect meant to your later brother or his wife, but people who adopt problem children often don't fully understand what they are promising to undertake, and as seems to be the case here, find themselves unable to fully care for the child and provide for their needs. Sadly, the concept that if they are loved enough, everything will get better is a falsehood.

As for your mother providing an inheritance at her death, be very careful about this for the boy. Because of his situation, he will eventually become a ward of the state, and all the money he inherits will be used in determining his eligibility for services. Speaking of which, while it takes a lot of patience and a lot of balls, getting help from the state for him would help ease the burden on your SIL.

I agree that you should do whatever you can to make the boy feel someone cares. It may not improve his situation and certainly won't solve his problems, but we all want to know that someone thinks about us and loves us. Maybe you can try to make some amends with your sister-in-law. Stay out of the mother-daughter issues and just reach out for the boy and do what you can. Your sister-in-law might appreciate having someone help her with him since she seems to be dealing with so much with her daughter.

Good luck and please let us know how things are going.




LaTigresse -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/24/2011 4:01:40 AM)

I just wanted to thank the current crop of mods that have changed the moderation styles to the point that this thread was possible. I had nothing of value to add to the thread as I know nothing about the subject matter. However, I really enjoyed reading it and another that was linked on it. Human behaviour, especially that which is outside the accepted norm, has always fascinated me.

It would not have been possible several years ago for this thread to exist.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/24/2011 1:13:11 PM)

Lafayette, you couldn't be more right.  I don't know what my brother was thinking adopting these children.  He didn't have the finances, the health, or the parenting ability to take them on.  But he did, so too late now.
I am hoping to talk my mother into setting up a special needs trust for my nephew, rather than just letting his inheritance pass directly to him.  It would be nice if the money could be used to help his quality of life, rather than going directly to the facility.  She is touchy about this kind of thing, but I am going to try.
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ORIGINAL: LafayetteLady


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Lafayette, good question about my role in this.  My brother and I were not close, but we reconciled while he was dying of pancreatic cancer.  We did not talk much about the specific diagnosis of his son, just because there was a lot going on, including issues with another child that I am very concerned about.  She went through much the same thing as her brother, although for longer, since she was older.  I had some big issues with the way my brother and his wife were treating her, so we spent time talking about her, and not so much his son.  IN addition, my brother's insurance company was constantly looking for ways to deny coverage, so we spent a lot of time dealing with that.
My brother's wife is afraid of the boy (don't blame her), so at this point I don't see anything changing for him unless the insurance company does manage to drop them.  She, quite honestly, does not want to talk about it, and she is angry with me because of my meddling with the daughter.  Horrible, horrible situation, and not one that I can really do anything about, except for one thing.  When my mother dies, the son and his sister will be inheriting some money, and I would like to see that it goes to help him make his life more comfortable.  I don't know what to do other than that.  


As another poster stated, your relationship with your SIL would not necessarily inhibit your ability to have a relationship with the boy. If your SIL does want to do what she can for the child, then making you his legal guardian and possibly finding a more appropriate placement for him near you would be good.

No disrespect meant to your later brother or his wife, but people who adopt problem children often don't fully understand what they are promising to undertake, and as seems to be the case here, find themselves unable to fully care for the child and provide for their needs. Sadly, the concept that if they are loved enough, everything will get better is a falsehood.

As for your mother providing an inheritance at her death, be very careful about this for the boy. Because of his situation, he will eventually become a ward of the state, and all the money he inherits will be used in determining his eligibility for services. Speaking of which, while it takes a lot of patience and a lot of balls, getting help from the state for him would help ease the burden on your SIL.

I agree that you should do whatever you can to make the boy feel someone cares. It may not improve his situation and certainly won't solve his problems, but we all want to know that someone thinks about us and loves us. Maybe you can try to make some amends with your sister-in-law. Stay out of the mother-daughter issues and just reach out for the boy and do what you can. Your sister-in-law might appreciate having someone help her with him since she seems to be dealing with so much with her daughter.

Good luck and please let us know how things are going.




wandersalone -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 5:50:56 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
So I am not saying this is a good thing, but meth does not make someone abusive. Alcohol does not make someone abusive. No drug actually does that, although PCP actually does come close.

Which is one of the reasons I say that drug abuse is no excuse.

T^T


Termy I know this has been addressed but just want to say that alcohol and a number of drugs have the effect of increasing our impulsiveness, lowering our internal censor if you like.  So a person who when sober would maybe swear and walk away from a person who bumped into them at the pub might instead punch them when drunk and start a fight.

Meth, ice and a number of the newer, manufactured drugs are very well known for increasing the aggressiveness of the user which is why some police stations and hospitals have special rooms to put these people in until they calm down a little.




wandersalone -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 5:58:35 AM)

Iamsemisweet, thank you for sharing your story with us about your nephew.  what a heartrending situation.  My hope is that he is not too aware of the reality of his life as it is incredibly sad.

I commend your brother for taking him in and doing what he could but yes, this would have been very difficult for anyone and at some level I can understand your sister in law being afraid of your nephew.

It would be lovely if you are able to build some sort of connection with him, just check with the unit what items he is allowed to have as I have know kids who would receive a box of crayons and eat them!!

It sounds like you have had a few difficult years with the rebuilding of your relationship with your brother and then his death, followed by everything related to your niece and nephew. I hope that amidst all of this you are remembering to take care and be gentle to yourself.

And yes, DID is a known disorder, I have only counseled maybe one or two people with it.  Each person can present differently, there is no one size fits all which is why it can be so difficult to diagnose correctly and the way that the different alters fit together can also be markedly different from person to person as Syl has mentioned.

Please keep us updated on your nephew and from a total stranger, thank you from the bottom of my heart for caring about him.  [:)]




DarkSteven -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 6:04:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: hausboy

thanks.  novel already in progress actually....



make sure to let us know when it gets published.  I'll buy a copy.




wandersalone -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 6:10:09 AM)

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ORIGINAL: fragilepieces
There is a time to be serious and a time to be an idiot.    IMO---this thread is anything but funny.   


Ok, and sorry to everyone for the many separate messages however I thought each warranted it's own post so that the messages wouldn't be lost (no I am not trying to up my post count ha ha)


Fragilepieces, I can understand your unease about humour in a thread such as this however this was a topic a friend and I were actually discussing yesterday.  We both work in the mental health profession and I have also worked with terminally ill children and adults in the past as well as experiencing my own mental health problems.

Many people that either work in these areas or who have or support someone with serious conditions develops this black humour.  We will say the most seemingly inappropriate things but this is not a sign of disrespect but at times, it is more because if we don't laugh we will cry with either sadness or frustration.

When I first started working with kids with cancer I would tippy toe around them and be scared to touch them or to say anything that would draw attention to their baldness or other signs of illness.  The kids taught me so much.  They would roll their eyes and tell me that it is ok to hug them as I wont catch cancer or would tell me about a day trip home they would have coming up and talk about what they were going to wear and would ask me how they should do their hair as they pointed to their bald scalp. [:D]

With the men who were dying of AIDS related illnesses they would talk about doing crazy things and then say it's not like I am going to die or anything...then they would pause and add - oh wait, yes I am followed by lots of laughter. [:D]

(I will say that in the subspace example though I just thought it was a joke  and not particularly inappropriate but then I have a pretty black sense of humour)




wandersalone -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 6:15:43 AM)

Hausboy and Arpig

Thank you both so much for sharing your own experiences as it helps all of us to get an insight into what life has been and is like for both of you and it also hopefully breaks down some of the stereotypes that still about.

It takes courage to discuss psychological and psychiatric conditions openly as there is still such a stigma, as someone who has literally this week been diagnosed with PTSD, I have already noticed that a few of my friends are no longer keeping in touch with me based on the changes in my behaviour and personality over the past month due to some of the things I am going through.

so again to the two of you, thank you [:)]

ok I think that was it, this is a fascinating thread




ThundersCry -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 2:04:30 PM)

I agree...
Thanks for sharing your story hausboy...




LafayetteLady -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 2:25:06 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Iamsemisweet

Lafayette, you couldn't be more right.  I don't know what my brother was thinking adopting these children.  He didn't have the finances, the health, or the parenting ability to take them on.  But he did, so too late now.
I am hoping to talk my mother into setting up a special needs trust for my nephew, rather than just letting his inheritance pass directly to him.  It would be nice if the money could be used to help his quality of life, rather than going directly to the facility.  She is touchy about this kind of thing, but I am going to try.


Even those kinds of trusts can adversely effect eligibility for services, so it would be best to ask your mother to speak with an attorney who really is experienced at those types of trusts, working with disabled people. It might even be best if the money was left in a trust to you, for use only for the boy.




kalikshama -> RE: Multiple Personality Disorder (8/25/2011 3:43:59 PM)

Yes, my brother is mentally ill, receives SSDI and other services and my parents will be leaving him money in trust. Good advice to consult an attorney.




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