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Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:14:45 PM   
NuevaVida


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Status: offline 		I thought I'd start a thread to share links to brands that promote non-animal testing, a greener environment, non-sweat-shop products, etc.

Feel free to share any information you're aware of, that might help interested consumers shop for more ethical products.

I use Aveda cosmetics, skin care, and hair care.  A bit pricey, but Aveda is one of the few cosmetic products I don't have an allergic reaction to, and they do not engage in Vivisection (animal testing).  http://www.ethicalshopping.com/companies/aveda.html

Here is a list of various other cosmetic producers that do not engage in Vivisection:  http://www.ethicalbeauty.com/cruelty-free.html

Please feel free to add your own.  I understand this topic isn't a priority for many, and that's cool, but for those who are interested, enjoy, engage, and share what you know.


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:25:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		psssst. Vivisection isn't the sort of animal testing they do for cosmetics. 

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:25:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I have known for decades not to buy commercially produced veal.

Hunky brought up a place that sells only US made goods, that would be a step in the right direction as well but the food is more of an issue than cosmetics etc. I would think. These animals may not be subjected to as much suffering as those used for product testing but they are not treated humanely by any stretch of the imagination.

That means cows, especially the ones raised for veal, chickens and for the most part turkeys as well. Not so sure about pigs and hogs but one thing I found out a while back is that pigs are not happy in mud. They are kept in mud because otherwise they would get away because they run pretty damn fast. Best bet might be Amish country if you can afford it.

Another thing is clothing. Buy the absolute cheapest damn clothing and especially shoes you can get. You can't stop the slave labor conditions under which people work to produce them, but at least if you pay less you are giving their enslavers less money.

That's off the top of my head.

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:30:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		When Reese Witherspoon's character in Legally Blonde 2 takes on the cosmetics-testing industry, everyone in the audience roots for her success against the cruel animal experimenters. In real life, too, most people agree that smearing hair color into a rabbit's eye and pumping shampoo into a guinea pig's stomach is idiotic. The European Union recently made its distaste for the practice public policy by voting to phase out all consumer-product testing on animals.

In the U.S., most people believe that this is a battle we won years ago. They are wrong, and their mistaken belief that no one kills animals in order to produce new cosmetics or toiletries means that they have stopped using their consumer dollars to protest this most despicable animal abuse. If we are to achieve the goal of the EU (and Witherspoon's character)—an end to the use of animals in product testing—this must change.

...there are holdouts in the consumer-product industry. They are huge multiproduct manufacturers, including Unilever, Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, and others, driven by fear of lawsuits (though animal tests have not proved effective in a company's defense when a consumer sues) and, inexplicably, inertia. Their reluctance to change in the face of consumer demand and superior non-animal test methods is difficult to understand, but one company CEO once told me that companies that continue to blind and poison animals do so simply because they have always done so and don't have the vision to try a new and better way. "And," he added, "they don't want to prove PETA right."

http://www.peta.org/living/beauty-and-personal-care/Blinding-Rabbits-for-Beauty.aspx

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:37:08 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great thread! Here's another cruelty-free resource: http://www.leapingbunny.org/shopping.php



Not all companies put the bunny logo on their products. I use Avalon Organics for shampoo and they say "No animal testing."

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:39:13 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Vivisection

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.




With deepest aplogies to Senor Montoya.

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:41:40 PM   
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That means cows, especially the ones raised for veal, chickens and for the most part turkeys as well. Not so sure about pigs and hogs but one thing I found out a while back is that pigs are not happy in mud. They are kept in mud because otherwise they would get away because they run pretty damn fast. Best bet might be Amish country if you can afford it.



Termy I completely agree, about the food we buy.  And from what I understand, pigs are treated cruelly, too.  Unfortunately, the cheaper meat you're going to find is likely not going to be ethically raised meat.  I do what I can, but I can't always afford the free range, non-antibiotic pumped, ethically raised meat.  So I sadly add to the cause, myself.

The Mister's daughter has gone completely vegan for these very reasons.  But that's not something I'm currently willing to do.  I do buy the ethical stuff as much as I can, though.  My thought is, supporting them a little is better than not at all.


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:41:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hmmmm.

I'm not going to look I am going to guess. It means partial disection while the animal is still alive.

I'll look later, but honestly I might have read that somewhere so it might not be a guess totally.

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:41:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		You do realize that PETA also wants to ban the keeping of pets, don't you?

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:44:03 PM   
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In the U.S., most people believe that this is a battle we won years ago. They are wrong, and their mistaken belief that no one kills animals in order to produce new cosmetics or toiletries means that they have stopped using their consumer dollars to protest this most despicable animal abuse. If we are to achieve the goal of the EU (and Witherspoon's character)—an end to the use of animals in product testing—this must change.

...there are holdouts in the consumer-product industry. They are huge multiproduct manufacturers, including Unilever, Procter & Gamble, Johnson & Johnson, and others, driven by fear of lawsuits (though animal tests have not proved effective in a company's defense when a consumer sues) and, inexplicably, inertia. Their reluctance to change in the face of consumer demand and superior non-animal test methods is difficult to understand, but one company CEO once told me that companies that continue to blind and poison animals do so simply because they have always done so and don't have the vision to try a new and better way. "And," he added, "they don't want to prove PETA right."

http://www.peta.org/living/beauty-and-personal-care/Blinding-Rabbits-for-Beauty.aspx


I fully agree, people think this doesn't happen here anymore, and it does.  And unfortunately PETA has done some questionable enough acts that they have lost credibility over time.  Doesn't mean they don't do some great educating, though.


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:45:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		"The Mister's daughter has gone completely vegan for these very reasons.  But that's not something I'm currently willing to do."

If you don't eat meat these days it is very hard to be properly nourished. It may be more expensive than the expensive free range and other "ethically" raised meat. I never looked into it and do not intend to practice either due to cost. My health is simply more important.

Sorry. But I just offered up the information if someone wants to take that path.

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:48:21 PM   
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Vivisection

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.




With deepest aplogies to Senor Montoya.


http://www.vivisectioninfo.org/

There was a book I read years ago, when doing a study for school, which is out of print now:  Slaughter of the Innocent., by Hans Ruesch.  It opened my eyes to a lot. In it, I read much about vivisection and its use in developing pharmaceuticals, as well as cosmetics.  It is the practice of performing experiments on animals, involving cutting or dissecting the body, often without anesthesia.

And what does Senor Montoya have to do with any of this?


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:48:40 PM   
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Status: offline 		"You do realize that PETA also wants to ban the keeping of pets, don't you? "

Are you sure of that ? If that's true what do they propose ? Letting them all out in the wild to overbreed and starve like deer do sometimes ?

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 3:51:00 PM   
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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 4:07:15 PM   
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You do realize that PETA also wants to ban the keeping of pets, don't you?

If PETA is on the far left and CAFOs are on the far right, my hope is that we can meet somewhere in the middle.

I'm not going to stop eating honey as PETA advocates, or meat for that matter. I don't eat conventionally raised meat and make up for the higher cost of Whole Foods/Nature's Promise/Springer Mountain Farms/Greenwise by waiting for sales and freezing meat, and buying grains in bulk.


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 4:10:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Very true.  They are a repulsive organization, which anyone who takes the time to look beyond PETA's bumper sticker slogans quickly discovers.

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You do realize that PETA also wants to ban the keeping of pets, don't you?


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 4:13:12 PM   
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Status: offline 		Commercial pork is raised under hideous conditions.  I understand the concern about the price of free range, but commercial food does not reflect the true cost on the animals, workers, or environment.  The pork industry is an environmental disaster, by the way.
Sadly, I love bacon as much as the next person.  So, this year a friend and I went to one of the local county fairs and bought a 4H raised pig.  We knew it was raised under good conditions, and the processing was fairly inexpensive and done on the spot.  I understand the concern about price, but this is a reasonable alternative.
The best way to shop ethically, at least for food, is to buy from local producers.


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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 4:16:50 PM   
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www.petakillsanimals.com/

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"You do realize that PETA also wants to ban the keeping of pets, don't you? "

Are you sure of that ? If that's true what do they propose ? Letting them all out in the wild to overbreed and starve like deer do sometimes ?

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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 4:51:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Vivisection

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.




With deepest aplogies to Senor Montoya.


http://www.vivisectioninfo.org/

There was a book I read years ago, when doing a study for school, which is out of print now:  Slaughter of the Innocent., by Hans Ruesch.  It opened my eyes to a lot. In it, I read much about vivisection and its use in developing pharmaceuticals, as well as cosmetics.  It is the practice of performing experiments on animals, involving cutting or dissecting the body, often without anesthesia.

And what does Senor Montoya have to do with any of this?



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RE: Ethical Shopping - 8/23/2011 8:14:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: NuevaVida

Vivisection

You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.




With deepest aplogies to Senor Montoya.


http://www.vivisectioninfo.org/

There was a book I read years ago, when doing a study for school, which is out of print now:  Slaughter of the Innocent., by Hans Ruesch.  It opened my eyes to a lot. In it, I read much about vivisection and its use in developing pharmaceuticals, as well as cosmetics.  It is the practice of performing experiments on animals, involving cutting or dissecting the body, often without anesthesia.

And what does Senor Montoya have to do with any of this?


Experimenting on animals without doing surgery is not vivisection.

Senor Montoya is the character who said the line I wrote in the Princess Bride.

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