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erieangel -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/28/2011 9:57:20 PM)

I was raised to not care about skin color. Even when I dated a black kid in high school, nobody cared because he was a good kid, got good grades. My grandmother a bit of a problem with it but until it was pointed out to her that she happened to be 1/2 Seneca. She never liked to be reminded of her Native American roots though.



DeviantlyD -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/28/2011 10:09:21 PM)


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Unfortunately, that speech is probably and yes it took a couple years...what got him killed. James Earl Ray was just yet another 'troubled loner.'

Those 'troubled loners' sure do come in handy when you really need them.


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DeviantlyD -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/28/2011 10:11:28 PM)


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ORIGINAL: erieangel

I was raised to not care about skin color. Even when I dated a black kid in high school, nobody cared because he was a good kid, got good grades. My grandmother a bit of a problem with it but until it was pointed out to her that she happened to be 1/2 Seneca. She never liked to be reminded of her Native American roots though.


As sad as it is, she grew up in a different time. My father never taught me and my sibling his native tongue because of the ridicule he dealt with as a child. He didn't want to expose his children to that. We can only be glad that things have improved, although it's been slow.



DomYngBlk -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/29/2011 6:33:13 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwKIUMbi9Jk




DomYngBlk -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/29/2011 6:34:39 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

"I grew up on the notion that racism meant you treat people differently, because of the color of their skin, and that racism was a very bad thing.  I live in a world where the charges of racism are too often shrieked when we DON'T treat people differently for that cause, and where I have had the handcuffs taken off and walked away from situations where a black guy wouldn't have been out of the justice system's custody for five years. "

You did it. I don't care who I piss off now and I am not going to try to, but it may happen. Sorry if it does.

MLK JR was a communist, and supported by same, but really I have no problem with that. Logically any segment of the population that has been taken for granted by another segment would welcome socialistic or even commumistic views. White groups hold this against him, but they do not realize his perception of the situation, which was accurate. There was still bigotry in every facet of society, mostly put forth by the powers that be, because it was they who really benefitted by it. In fact the founders of this country held slaves.

But, back to a reality more "today". People are coming together, and the powers that be don't really like it because there is not enough to distract people from what they steal from us. So they set up things, in the media, wherever, to attract people's attention and foster that inner bigotry that civilized people supress. That which is inside, and never let out. They feed that with their stories and shit, and make sure that we never REALLY unite, because if we did they would be in heaps of shit.

Whatever race you are, if you haven't seen this you are either not watching or not very observant.  And now it is time for the glossary.

Prejudice : A LEARNED set of responses based on previous responses or accounts thereof based on trusted sources. That is all.

Racism : Pride in one's race, their accomplishments and the desire to achieve, as those before have.

Bigotry : Believing that one is superior to another based on race alone, or possibly socio-economic status.

Class : True class is to be right with people, to treat them right and see what they are made of. Fake class, often instilled by money means to only hang around with people who have enough money or social status. But that is your point of view.

Really, class means a whole different thing.

T^T


Dr. King wasn't a communist at all. No leader of the SCLC could ever be construed as a communist. Go back, read, and think termy



DomYngBlk -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/29/2011 6:39:19 AM)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1L8y-MX3pg



servantforuse -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/29/2011 6:14:42 PM)

Just to change the subject for a minute. Why are Blacks not outraged by Al Gores recent comments ? In his own words, 'climate skeptics are like racists'. He compares his stupid global warming fight to the fight African Americans had getting equality in the 60's..When will this moron just go away ??



hlen5 -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 1:12:24 PM)

I just came across this thread. I haven't been to P and R lately because no matter the subject, it turns into a snotty cat fight.

The OP was great. I don't know that I've listened to the entire speech myself, so I'm going to follow the links to do so now.



Fightdirecto -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 1:31:00 PM)

I was lucky enough to actually be there when he gave that speech. My father and several other ministers organized some buses to take people from their churches down to Washington D. C. from Philadelphia. PA where we lived.

Ironically, Washington D. C. was the first place I ever encountered legal racial segregation, a few years before the speech. In 1961 we did a pre-Broadway performance of a play I was acting in at a theater in Washington (Noel Coward's "Sail Away"). Blacks were not allowed into the theater as part of the audience and the water fountain backstage had a "Whites Only" sign on it. All the resturants were segregated as well as the cabs, hotels and buses. Quite a shock for a 9-year-old Philadelphia kid who had Black neighbors and went to school with Black kids.



hlen5 -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 1:40:41 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

I was lucky enough to actually be there when he gave that speech........


I guess you were lucky!!



Thanks so much for posting this DD!! Listening to the last of the speech always moves me.

I watched the virtual tour and the only complaint I have about the Memorial is I wish his arms weren't crossed.



Fightdirecto -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 1:43:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk
Dr. King wasn't a communist at all. No leader of the SCLC could ever be construed as a communist. Go back, read, and think termy


Dr. King believed in the Christian principles of "heal the sick, "feed the poor", "no person is better in the eyes of God than any other person", "love they neighbor as thyself", etc..

Natually American Social Darwinist conservatives would label Dr. King a "Communist" - anyone who really tries to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus Christ is always accused of being either a "Progressive", a "Socialist" or a "Communist" - or all three at the same time.

Ironcially, if you really try to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus Christ in your daily life, many of America's Religious Right today will brand you "anti-Christian". [X(]



hlen5 -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 2:00:46 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

....Ironcially, if you really try to follow the ethical teachings of Jesus Christ in your daily life, many of America's Religious Right today will brand you "anti-Christian". [X(]


If all were being judged, many of the "religous right" wouldn't be considered Christians.



Edwynn -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 8:21:54 PM)



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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MwKIUMbi9Jk






Thank you! DYB.

People need to be more aware of this. The real debate going on at the time.

Struggles are never as simple as this side vs. the other side. There are always struggles within.


I am very grateful to Malcom X  (born Malcom Little) for all his input to the affair.

We might have never seen or heard anything as wonderful as what King said in the vid you posted were it not for Malcom X nudging him in this way. OK, I might be overstating the case just a bit, but I think that - thoughtful - criticism such as from M X helped King to constantly re-assess and refine his thinking.


It was great to see in the video you posted, DYB, how MLK extemporaneously answered well enough to whatever ideological or philosophical challenges thrown his way, no cue cards or teleprompter needed.









rulemylife -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/30/2011 8:40:25 PM)


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ORIGINAL: chiaThePet


I had a dream once. That one day I would live in a nation where I would not be judged
by the color of my skin, but by the content of my European Carry-All.(okay, man purse)

What?

chia* (the pet)



Chia, where have you been?



Edwynn -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 6:20:11 AM)



~FR~

Events such as these can be boring for some stretches.

Twenty minute boring video, but closer to what it was like to be there:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CL2mU029PkQ

Bob Dylan, Burt Lancaster! In da house!

Along with:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBUPr8oDRL8


In any case, this was one year before the Civil Rights Act, and two years before the Voting Rights Act, for perspective.





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIFxbOZezhE&NR=1






Fightdirecto -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 7:25:29 AM)

Something that all too many Americans have forgotten, just like all of today's Americans who have forgotten MLK's words that day. We should never forget his words and should never let things like this picture records happen again.

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Edwynn -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 7:58:09 AM)



Such distinctions and signs never needed anywhere else in the country outside of the Southeast, being that there were no black people to speak of in any case in those regions.

As for the large cities, they just stuck them in places called "ghettos" and hardly let them out.

That's what Watts and Detroit, etc. in '67 were about.












Hillwilliam -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 2:10:23 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Edwynn



Such distinctions and signs never needed anywhere else in the country outside of the Southeast, being that there were no black people to speak of in any case in those regions.

As for the large cities, they just stuck them in places called "ghettos" and hardly let them out.

That's what Watts and Detroit, etc. in '67 were about.











Edwynn. You are truly ignorant.

The problem was everywhere. Northeast, southwest, big towns, small towns, city, and country alike.

It's not fixed by any means but it IS getting better.



Edwynn -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 8:43:48 PM)



To the extent that my family moved from an area that was the foundation of forced busing, 28-30% black  to begin with (Charlotte), me smack in the middle of it from the outset, to an area where you would have had to gone over 35 miles to find the first black person, as real life experience, (St. Charles, IL) makes me ignorant.

Thanks.

So, they never had those signs because there were never any black people to make an issue to begin with, but just because the cities and municipalities outside the SE were so smart, they decided to put them in plaecs called  ghettos.

Ya, got it.

They would all agree, I'm sure.


Sheesh, I was a wee boy at the time, and Watts and Detroit still whacked me on the head. I remember it vividly.  The country was 'freaked,' as they say. Especially the yankees.  Completely freaked out.

We were extended the courtesy of such freaking out by The Huntley-Brinkley Report, as I recall.














NeedToUseYou -> RE: I Have A Dream! (8/31/2011 10:23:40 PM)

Another speech for those that never listened to his speeches

Martin Luther King Jr. Drum Major Instinct...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSPQ71C7AAM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOrCU0jdJrs



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