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joether -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 10:43:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
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Using good ole FD's logic, I guess every Liberal is just waiting on their knees for the government "cheese". Even the ones who aren't affected by the storm.

"It's MY money, and I want it NOW!" This ad brought to you by the New England Charter Members of the SEIU. Union YES!


If no one's home or business is seriously damaged, I'm good with that. In fact, would think we missed a worst disaster. If some are, than that's how things will be. Best we help our fellow Americans recover from it and move on. Twice more for people. We can rebuild houses and businesses, but a lost of lives is not easy to repair nor replace. Why do you have so much anger and hatred directed at your fellow Americans, subrob1967? I may dislike Mr. Rick Perry, but that's not even a reason to wish the horrible droughts that plaque Texas.

Likewise, your quote is NOT from the New England Charter Members of the SEIU Union. It actually comes from this company.



subrob1967 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 11:08:15 AM)

It's called satire Joey, might wanna look it up... You're mistake, like most liberals is you let feelings dictate your actions instead of fact and logic. Therefore you project your own feelings on conservatives. We don't hate America, or Americans, we just hate the lazy useless leaches living on the government dole.



imperatrixx -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 11:48:42 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Lucylastic

anyone who wants to make this potential catastrophe partisan is way out of fucking line.
Fuck, how ignorant


Disagree.

Someone's theory of politics should hold up in good times and bad times. If there are people who think that states should handle all this type of rescue and assistance, maybe it will take a potential catastrophe to see just what the consequences of that should be.

Otherwise all this political shit is just mental masturbation.



TheHeretic -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 12:37:07 PM)

There is probably a good discussion to be had somewhere, of the legitimate and appropriate functions of the various levels of government in a disaster and post-disaster situation.  We could talk of whether a mandatory evacuation should mean the National Guard can carry you out of your home against your will, and of how high a priority providing for those who ignored the warnings should be in the immediate aftermath, opposed to getting assistance to the people who were unlucky, instead of stupid.






joether -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 12:50:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: subrob1967
It's called satire Joey, might wanna look it up... You're mistake, like most liberals is you let feelings dictate your actions instead of fact and logic. Therefore you project your own feelings on conservatives. We don't hate America, or Americans, we just hate the lazy useless leaches living on the government dole.


If conservatives used 'fact and logic' explain to me why they went against the grand majority of economists and mathematicans on the budget crisis? All of those folks said to both raise taxes and lower spending. Yet, conservatives are against raising taxes by $0.10 if it meant a full $1.00 in budget cuts. Please, explain to me the conservatives 'facts and logic' on that one?

You elected George W. Bush to two terms. That alone would kill the whole "conservatives use 'fact and logic'" arguement. So, did he solve the 'illegal immigration' problem? How about keeping the US Budget balanced? He did remove the US Debt, right? Because only a 'liberal' would turn a $2 Trillion debt into $14.5 trillion in eight years flat....right?

Or explain to me Mr. "Conservatives use 'facts and logic'", how a Democratic President was impeached for 'lying to Congress' about getting a blowjob from a jewish intern. BUT, doing absolutely NOTHING to a Republican President that lied to Congress on the whole of the Iraq War? By all means, subrob, explain to me why neither facts nor logic were used in holding the Republican President just as responsible and accountible? I'm sure there's a few thousand US Soldiers that would like their lives back from those lies.

Than we have FOX News, need I explain how often their facts and logic are just plain WRONG? Now, if conservatives used 'facts and logic', why is it they are not bashing FOX News on a daily basis? You bash all those 'liberal media' outlets (i.e. non-FOX News media).

I dont have to explain my actions or words to someone like you. At least I hold Democrats accountible and responsible for their fuck ups. I in fact, I take responibility for those I put into office. Can you really say the same? Since you seem to give Republicans such a free pass on anything and everything they do, I would like to see the 'facts and logic' from the majority of your past posts that show you hold each and every one of them fully accountible and responsible for their actions/words.




TheHeretic -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:21:44 PM)

How to expect to be treated seriously, Jo, when you tell such stupid lies, and then build the foundation of your question on them?

Clinton committed perjury.  Not to Congress, but in a legal proceeding, while under oath.  Now whether the case he was involved in should ever have been allowed to proceed while he was in office, and whether the never-ending investigation of his activities was in the best interest of the country are separate issues, but to try and equate his situation with Congress authorizing the Iraq War goes nowhere.

Maybe try an arguement where you aren't extrapolating from a bumper sticker?



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:31:26 PM)


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ORIGINAL: TheHeretic

There is probably a good discussion to be had somewhere, of the legitimate and appropriate functions of the various levels of government in a disaster and post-disaster situation.  We could talk of whether a mandatory evacuation should mean the National Guard can carry you out of your home against your will, and of how high a priority providing for those who ignored the warnings should be in the immediate aftermath, opposed to getting assistance to the people who were unlucky, instead of stupid.






Should the NG be able to do that? Nope, in my opinion. Thats personal responsibility. People are warned that if they stay, and they have an emergency, they should expect not to receive any help. I dont recall an instance of the NG actually forcing people to leave. I could have missed it though.

As far as those who are unlucky... many will be. sadly. I have been myself.

The question still remains.... If you demand the federal government stay out of your life, do you ask for the federal government to help you?



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:44:16 PM)

~FR

When asked if the district would be receiving federal assistance from the government, McDonnell noted that the state had yet to do a thorough analysis determining "our own capacity through state and local resources and private and benevolent resources to be able to handle it," and had not yet determined whether it was "prudent" to request federal aid.

But, Cantor added, "the federal government does have a role in situations like this. When there's a disaster there's an appropriate federal role and we will find the monies. But we've had discussions about these things before and those monies will be offset with appropriate savings or cost-cutting elsewhere in order to meet the priority of the federal government's role in a situation like this."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20096790-503544.html

The House majority leader says any relief money should be offset by spending cuts. Is he right — or is it cruel to talk accounting as a storm crashes in?

As the East Coast braces for Hurricane Irene and Virginia shakes off a mild earthquake, one of the country's most powerful Republicans, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, is vowing to prevent disaster relief money from reaching the states unless Democrats agree to budget cuts. Is this insensitive grandstanding, or is he just making sure the government doesn't spend money it doesn't have?

http://news.yahoo.com/hurricane-irene-eric-cantors-callous-disaster-aid-refusal-135500597.html

Before people discuss the callousness of the OP, they may want to look to the leaders first.



Louve00 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:55:56 PM)

That's always been my experience too about evacuation.  You are urged to evacuate.  The NG or another authority may knock on your door, encouraging you to leave and informing you after a certain time, as the storm approaches, they will not subject civil servants (cops, evac, firemen, etc) out in those conditions, leaving them to fend for themselves in whatever circumstance until someone can reach them.  It is their choice to be make the decision.

But I would be curious to know how a tea party person would feel.  Would they take gov't help (and Obama has already said help is in place for anyone who needs it), or would they hold firm to what they claim now, and let their state suffer and cut their losses?  Michelle Bachmann has been down in florida campaigning and saying that these disasters (eathquakes and hurricanes) are happening as a direct result of God telling us enough is enough concerning the size of gov't.  To that I say a big, "huh?" and just hope the nation doesn't do what the state of florida did and give control to a tea party person.




StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 1:56:08 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

~FR

When asked if the district would be receiving federal assistance from the government, McDonnell noted that the state had yet to do a thorough analysis determining "our own capacity through state and local resources and private and benevolent resources to be able to handle it," and had not yet determined whether it was "prudent" to request federal aid.

But, Cantor added, "the federal government does have a role in situations like this. When there's a disaster there's an appropriate federal role and we will find the monies. But we've had discussions about these things before and those monies will be offset with appropriate savings or cost-cutting elsewhere in order to meet the priority of the federal government's role in a situation like this."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20096790-503544.html

The House majority leader says any relief money should be offset by spending cuts. Is he right — or is it cruel to talk accounting as a storm crashes in?

As the East Coast braces for Hurricane Irene and Virginia shakes off a mild earthquake, one of the country's most powerful Republicans, House Majority Leader Eric Cantor, is vowing to prevent disaster relief money from reaching the states unless Democrats agree to budget cuts. Is this insensitive grandstanding, or is he just making sure the government doesn't spend money it doesn't have?

http://news.yahoo.com/hurricane-irene-eric-cantors-callous-disaster-aid-refusal-135500597.html

Before people discuss the callousness of the OP, they may want to look to the leaders first.


Then let's discuss the OP

"If the personal property (house, car, etc.) or the town/city of a Tea Partier is destroyed due to Hurricane Irene, how many of them will stand on principle and refuse any and all assistance from the evil Federal government? "


The principles of Tea Party folk, and speaking for them may get me in trouble with them, have nothing to do with rejecting any and everything federal. States accept federal money all the time. It's the way the US works. Citizens pay taxes ( part of them do anyway). Taxes go to the federal government. Money is allocated to states by the federal government.

The only recent discussion I've seen on states rejecting federal dollars is in relation to the stimulus. So what this thread essentially asks up front is, if you had a problem with the stimulus, are you going to reject assistance if a storm destroys your property. So asswipe, stands on one hill and attempts to define all hills in the mountain range as having the same name.

That's what the OP asks. He says, I have apples, but since you don't like oranges, are you therefore going to resist eating any fruit, including these apples?

The question itself is stupid and contrived.






Louve00 -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:02:48 PM)

And yes, I had read that Cantor was refusing any financial help for the earthquake.  I am guessing? he will take that same stance for the hurricane.  I sure am glad I am not a citizen of Virginia. 



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:14:04 PM)

http://suehughes72.newsvine.com/_news/2011/06/21/6910367-tea-party-gov-rick-scott-rejects-millions-in-federal-aid-to-provide-health-care-for-retirees-seniors-children-and-people-with-disabilities



StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:27:56 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

http://suehughes72.newsvine.com/_news/2011/06/21/6910367-tea-party-gov-rick-scott-rejects-millions-in-federal-aid-to-provide-health-care-for-retirees-seniors-children-and-people-with-disabilities


And that is another specific topic, e.g. the health care law. Show me where states, any state, routinely rejects federal dollars that aren't tied to Obamacare and the stimulus.

Show me for example, where states reject money for roads, or where Florida rejected dollars other than these two instances. Because it's not the same and you know it. These two specific cases have either half the states in the nation suing, or half the country pissed off about run away spending with little to show for it.

And while you're at it, explain what the fuck that's got to do with disaster relief.

That I would love to hear cause it has to have some twisted liberal bullshit involved.




tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:38:21 PM)

http://www.peoplesworld.org/florida-tea-party-governor-rejects-obama-s-rail-funds/

State Rep. Matt Hudson, R-Naples, says the Legislature will yet again reject home visiting grants from the federal government because the money is still allocated from the Affordable Care Act.
The state Legislature has created a bit of controversy lately by rejecting grants for home visiting programs aimed at curbing child abuse and neglect in the state. The GOP-led Legislature says it has rejected the grants because Florida is in litigation with the federal government over the constitutionality of the law that allocates the funds: the Affordable Care Act. (Some legislators have claimed “hypocrisy,” because the state did accept money from the law for abstinence education.)

http://floridaindependent.com/45042/matt-hudson-home-visiting-grants

Its hypocrisy. Take money for some things, then not for other?

I see no difference.



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:40:15 PM)

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And while you're at it, explain what the fuck that's got to do with disaster relief.


Not a damn thing.You stated this.

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The only recent discussion I've seen on states rejecting federal dollars is in relation to the stimulus.


Just providing facts.



StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 2:43:24 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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And while you're at it, explain what the fuck that's got to do with disaster relief.


Not a damn thing.You stated this.

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The only recent discussion I've seen on states rejecting federal dollars is in relation to the stimulus.


Just providing facts.


Alright, my bad, I see the line you're talking about. I got nothing for you. Go ask Florida. I don't know. I don't care, especially since again, it is off topic. The dollars going to states over things like roads, disaster relief, are not the same as dollars tied to stimulus or, as you have pointed out, obamacare.

The thrust of the OP is to basically say, if you're not on board with obama, are you going to refuse all federal dollars.

As I said before and will say again, it's stupid and contrived.



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:04:27 PM)

And yet Cantor is tying relief to budget cuts.

Govs are cherry picking what funds they will and wont accept. And the targets of such funds are obvious. Dont see a single state refusing federal monies for business grants.



StrangerThan -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:20:43 PM)

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet Cantor is tying relief to budget cuts.

Govs are cherry picking what funds they will and wont accept. And the targets of such funds are obvious. Dont see a single state refusing federal monies for business grants.


Ok.

I'll forward this topic to his office since apparently, I missed the entire question being directed to Congress. Silly me.



Sanity -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:22:40 PM)


Why NOT pay for the things we need, tazzy?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet Cantor is tying relief to budget cuts.

Govs are cherry picking what funds they will and wont accept. And the targets of such funds are obvious. Dont see a single state refusing federal monies for business grants.



tazzygirl -> RE: East Coast Tea Partiers & Hurricane Irene (8/27/2011 3:26:55 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Sanity


Why NOT pay for the things we need, tazzy?

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

And yet Cantor is tying relief to budget cuts.

Govs are cherry picking what funds they will and wont accept. And the targets of such funds are obvious. Dont see a single state refusing federal monies for business grants.




To be honest, Sanity, I dont get your question. Can you elaborate?



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