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You hear over and over that Social Security is "in trouble" or that we "can't afford it." This is as far from true as can be, and the idea behind this is to convince people to just give up on defending the program and let the haters have their way. The people who hate Social Security the most are the ones who say they want to make these changes to "save" it...

Conservatives have hated Social Security from the start, because it is a program that demonstrates once and for all the value of progressive governance. Social Security is as clear an example of We, the People watching out for and taking care of each other as there ever was. It has made a huge difference n the lives of older people, and their/our families. It works, is cost-effective and requires minimal overhead to keep it going. So they hate it.

A very recent example of conservative hatred for Social Security came from Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who said, that We, the People helping each other makes us weak,

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"These programs actually weakened us as a people. ... All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job."

Substitute the words "We, the People" or "each other" for "government" in Rubio's statement and you'll get the point: people don't have to worry so much because we're taking care of each other. Senator Rubio says that makes us weak...

The Social Security program is entirely self-funded, separate from the way that the government taxes and spends for other programs. People set aside money in their working years, they get a monthly amount when they retire. (The program also has other benefits including disability benefits, survivors funds and others.) Social Security does not contribute to the deficit in any way.

You never hear that the huge, vast, bloated, enormous, mammoth military budget is "going broke" or "won't be there for you." But year after year you hear that Social Security is "in trouble."

Currently the program has built up a huge trust fund -- over $2.5 trillion. This is invested in US Treasury Bonds, and is earning interest...

Senator Sanders of Vermont:

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When Social Security was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, poverty among seniors is too high, but that number is ten percent. Social Security has done exactly what it was designed to do!

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

The Right's Attack on Social Security

quote:

You hear over and over that Social Security is "in trouble" or that we "can't afford it." This is as far from true as can be, and the idea behind this is to convince people to just give up on defending the program and let the haters have their way. The people who hate Social Security the most are the ones who say they want to make these changes to "save" it...

Conservatives have hated Social Security from the start, because it is a program that demonstrates once and for all the value of progressive governance. Social Security is as clear an example of We, the People watching out for and taking care of each other as there ever was. It has made a huge difference n the lives of older people, and their/our families. It works, is cost-effective and requires minimal overhead to keep it going. So they hate it.

A very recent example of conservative hatred for Social Security came from Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who said, that We, the People helping each other makes us weak,

quote:

"These programs actually weakened us as a people. ... All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job."

Substitute the words "We, the People" or "each other" for "government" in Rubio's statement and you'll get the point: people don't have to worry so much because we're taking care of each other. Senator Rubio says that makes us weak...

The Social Security program is entirely self-funded, separate from the way that the government taxes and spends for other programs. People set aside money in their working years, they get a monthly amount when they retire. (The program also has other benefits including disability benefits, survivors funds and others.) Social Security does not contribute to the deficit in any way.

You never hear that the huge, vast, bloated, enormous, mammoth military budget is "going broke" or "won't be there for you." But year after year you hear that Social Security is "in trouble."

Currently the program has built up a huge trust fund -- over $2.5 trillion. This is invested in US Treasury Bonds, and is earning interest...

Senator Sanders of Vermont:

quote:

When Social Security was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, poverty among seniors is too high, but that number is ten percent. Social Security has done exactly what it was designed to do!

The Right hates Social Security because it works - and any project or program that works that is based on We The People helping each other rather than "every man for himself" and "survival of the fittest" (also known as "Social Darwinism") is something the Right cannot stand. They perceive Americans starving to death or living on a park bench without a home as infinitely better for our nation than any of their taxes being used to feed their fellow Americans or provide them shelter.

For the Right, it is better for our country for people to die than for a penny of tax money to be spent to prevent those deaths. They would rather see the corpses of the poor and seniors be used as fertilizer for agribusiness farms - because, after all, anyone who is poor or old is poor or old due to their own fault - and the Right has no responsibility or obligation toward their fellow Americans.

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You know, it's people such as you who are "the haters".

You straw-man people's position, look for the worst possible interpretation, and then insult and demean people who disagree with you.

You make no effort to understand, you just sling shit.

Fuck off, "Brain II".

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You know, it's people such as you who are "the haters".

You straw-man people's position, look for the worst possible interpretation, and then insult and demean people who disagree with you.

You make no effort to understand, you just sling shit.

Fuck off, "Brain II".

Firm

Something we all.... including you, Firm... have been guilty of.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

The Right's Attack on Social Security

quote:

You hear over and over that Social Security is "in trouble" or that we "can't afford it." This is as far from true as can be, and the idea behind this is to convince people to just give up on defending the program and let the haters have their way. The people who hate Social Security the most are the ones who say they want to make these changes to "save" it...

Conservatives have hated Social Security from the start, because it is a program that demonstrates once and for all the value of progressive governance. Social Security is as clear an example of We, the People watching out for and taking care of each other as there ever was. It has made a huge difference n the lives of older people, and their/our families. It works, is cost-effective and requires minimal overhead to keep it going. So they hate it.

A very recent example of conservative hatred for Social Security came from Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who said, that We, the People helping each other makes us weak,

quote:

"These programs actually weakened us as a people. ... All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job."

Substitute the words "We, the People" or "each other" for "government" in Rubio's statement and you'll get the point: people don't have to worry so much because we're taking care of each other. Senator Rubio says that makes us weak...

The Social Security program is entirely self-funded, separate from the way that the government taxes and spends for other programs. People set aside money in their working years, they get a monthly amount when they retire. (The program also has other benefits including disability benefits, survivors funds and others.) Social Security does not contribute to the deficit in any way.

You never hear that the huge, vast, bloated, enormous, mammoth military budget is "going broke" or "won't be there for you." But year after year you hear that Social Security is "in trouble."

Currently the program has built up a huge trust fund -- over $2.5 trillion. This is invested in US Treasury Bonds, and is earning interest...

Senator Sanders of Vermont:

quote:

When Social Security was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, poverty among seniors is too high, but that number is ten percent. Social Security has done exactly what it was designed to do!

The Right hates Social Security because it works - and any project or program that works that is based on We The People helping each other rather than "every man for himself" and "survival of the fittest" (also known as "Social Darwinism") is something the Right cannot stand. They perceive Americans starving to death or living on a park bench without a home as infinitely better for our nation than any of their taxes being used to feed their fellow Americans or provide them shelter.

For the Right, it is better for our country for people to die than for a penny of tax money to be spent to prevent those deaths. They would rather see the corpses of the poor and seniors be used as fertilizer for agribusiness farms - because, after all, anyone who is poor or old is poor or old due to their own fault - and the Right has no responsibility or obligation toward their fellow Americans.

You know, it's people such as you who are "the haters".

You straw-man people's position, look for the worst possible interpretation, and then insult and demean people who disagree with you.

You make no effort to understand, you just sling shit.

Fuck off, "Brain II".

Firm

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You know, it's people such as you who are "the haters".

You straw-man people's position, look for the worst possible interpretation, and then insult and demean people who disagree with you.

You make no effort to understand, you just sling shit.

Fuck off, "Brain II".

Something we all.... including you, Firm... have been guilty of.

In one experiment, people with strongly held positions on a social issue were exposed to four arguments, two pro and two con.  On each side of the issue, the arguments were of two sorts: (a) quite plausible, and (b) implausible to the point of absurdity.  People tended to remember the plausible arguments that supported their views and the implausible arguments that didn't, the net effect being to drive home the correctness of their position, and the silliness of the alternative.

One might think that, being rational creatures, we would eventually grow suspicious of our uncannily long string of rectitude, or unerring knack for being on the right side of any dispute over credit, or money, or manners, or anything else.  Nope.  Time and again - whether arguing over a place in line, a promotion we never got, or which car hit which - we are shocked at the blindness of people who dare suggest that our outrage isn't warranted.

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

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You know, it's people such as you who are "the haters".

You straw-man people's position, look for the worst possible interpretation, and then insult and demean people who disagree with you.

You make no effort to understand, you just sling shit.

Fuck off, "Brain II".

Something we all.... including you, Firm... have been guilty of.

Forgive me, for I have sinned .... 

Tazzy, of course we have all done it, from time to time.

But there is a line, and FD has certainly gone over it in my book.

Others' books may vary.

Firm

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

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Fuck off, "Brain II".

Firm

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ORIGINAL: Fightdirecto

The Right's Attack on Social Security

quote:

You hear over and over that Social Security is "in trouble" or that we "can't afford it." This is as far from true as can be, and the idea behind this is to convince people to just give up on defending the program and let the haters have their way. The people who hate Social Security the most are the ones who say they want to make these changes to "save" it...

Conservatives have hated Social Security from the start, because it is a program that demonstrates once and for all the value of progressive governance. Social Security is as clear an example of We, the People watching out for and taking care of each other as there ever was. It has made a huge difference n the lives of older people, and their/our families. It works, is cost-effective and requires minimal overhead to keep it going. So they hate it.

A very recent example of conservative hatred for Social Security came from Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who said, that We, the People helping each other makes us weak,

quote:

"These programs actually weakened us as a people. ... All of a sudden, for an increasing number of people in our nation, it was no longer necessary to worry about saving for security because that was the government’s job."

Substitute the words "We, the People" or "each other" for "government" in Rubio's statement and you'll get the point: people don't have to worry so much because we're taking care of each other. Senator Rubio says that makes us weak...

The Social Security program is entirely self-funded, separate from the way that the government taxes and spends for other programs. People set aside money in their working years, they get a monthly amount when they retire. (The program also has other benefits including disability benefits, survivors funds and others.) Social Security does not contribute to the deficit in any way.

You never hear that the huge, vast, bloated, enormous, mammoth military budget is "going broke" or "won't be there for you." But year after year you hear that Social Security is "in trouble."

Currently the program has built up a huge trust fund -- over $2.5 trillion. This is invested in US Treasury Bonds, and is earning interest...

Senator Sanders of Vermont:

quote:

When Social Security was developed, 50 percent of seniors lived in poverty. Today, poverty among seniors is too high, but that number is ten percent. Social Security has done exactly what it was designed to do!

The Right hates Social Security because it works - and any project or program that works that is based on We The People helping each other rather than "every man for himself" and "survival of the fittest" (also known as "Social Darwinism") is something the Right cannot stand. They perceive Americans starving to death or living on a park bench without a home as infinitely better for our nation than any of their taxes being used to feed their fellow Americans or provide them shelter.

For the Right, it is better for our country for people to die than for a penny of tax money to be spent to prevent those deaths. They would rather see the corpses of the poor and seniors be used as fertilizer for agribusiness farms - because, after all, anyone who is poor or old is poor or old due to their own fault - and the Right has no responsibility or obligation toward their fellow Americans.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

No reason for the sarcasm.

You cant yell at someone for asking questions, then condemn them for the questions they ask. If you demand that people think for themselves, then answer their questions.

You want people informed to your point of view. Then answer the questions.

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Which is why you may notice... or not... that I have not responded to the OP.

I find it inflammatory and I believe he is looking for a fight. Not something I wish to get into.

Personally, I think politics have gone far beyond the "right vs left" nonsense and moved into the "haves and have-nots" realm.

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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy

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ORIGINAL: tazzygirl

Which is why you may notice... or not... that I have not responded to the OP.

I find it inflammatory and I believe he is looking for a fight. Not something I wish to get into.

Personally, I think politics have gone far beyond the "right vs left" nonsense and moved into the "haves and have-nots" realm.

Almost correct, its in the realm of the "may haves" and "the no chance in hell to haves"

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ORIGINAL: MileHighM

Hmmm.... Maybe I am the slow child here and haven't noticed any similar posts....

Ever notice something about FightDirecto.. He starts a thread, usually partisan hackish, sometimes not, but controversial none the less. Then, he almost never adds to it. He never defends his OP, he just likes to kick the hornet's nest so to speak. Even the most maniacal whack jobs on here rarely resort to drive-by argumentation.

I think it is time to just start the ignoring campaign, or at least keep responses to calling him a Troll.

As much fun as some of these discussions become, if I see FD as the thread starter, from now on, I think I am going to have to just look away.

Gonna have to post this on another thread or two as well.