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When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 7:16:08 AM   
MHOO314


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Status: offline 		This was inspired by another thread--but got Me wondering as we will all at some point grow old(er) or even have some physical limiting malady--how do or how will submission be manifested when the body does not cooperate?

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 7:28:24 AM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

This was inspired by another thread--but got Me wondering as we will all at some point grow old(er) or even have some physical limiting malady--how do or how will submission be manifested when the body does not cooperate?


I believe that a very small percentage of submission is manifested in physical action as to me, submission is about personality and mindset. Therefore, I would think that however you would have to accomodate or compensate for the physical changes, it would be relatively small in the scope of the big picture. Most people when confronted with a physical limitation, will develop different ways to accomplish their goal. If there is something that a submissive can no longer do, than that is something that simply has to be accepted for no Dominant can have an expectation of the impossible. Aging and physical ailments require compromise and flexibility on the parts of all whose lives are affected. That is just a part of the human condition.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 9:08:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		Part of my exercise regime focuses on flexibility, for one my mom has Osteoporosis, for another I want to be pleasing to my One. As I get older and things do not work the way they used to, well everyone goes through this, but my heart will still be submissive. I will serve in the ways that I can.

I have read other people here that have sick slaves they release because they cannot serve the way a "slave" should. I understand it, but feel a lot of sympathy for the released slave that can no longer do the service that makes them feel whole. My mom's osteoporosis got so bad she could no longer do her job, and it really affected her emotionally. I can only imagine how it would feel for a slave!

Perhaps slaves and subs are different? I have not heard of releasing subs because they get sick. Although I am sure it happens. Personally I am looking for that Dom that I can grow old with, the one that will not toss me aside for a younger and fitter model. ..Just my thoughts

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 9:24:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Submission and slavery stems from a person's essence - from their core - and not from anything physical.  Where is her/his heart?  Does the submissive exude a desire to serve, to please, to do whatever he/she can possibly do to perform to the Dominant's liking?

If so, I can not possibly see how one who is physically limited can be perceived as less submissive.  It may take more creativity on the Dominant and submissive's part to find new and exciting ways of serving, but it can and has been done.

There are services with which I have been physically limited to sustain for an extended duration.  Master will push me for as long as he knows I can hold up.  What pleases him is not my duration, however, it is that I will push myself and not give up, even if that means great pain on my part.  (Mind you, he would not have me do something harmful to my body)

I believe those who guage submission by a person's physical abilities are not able to see what -- oooh I'm gonna say it -- true and real submission is. 

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 1:19:42 PM   
MHOO314


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Status: offline 		nicely said- especially the true and real part---<smiles>

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 1:25:13 PM   
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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 1:26:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: MHOO314

This was inspired by another thread--but got Me wondering as we will all at some point grow old(er) or even have some physical limiting malady--how do or how will submission be manifested when the body does not cooperate?


I ran into that a few years ago.  It wasn't age, but the body really wasn't going where the mind wanted it to go.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 2:05:17 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a disability that is getting worse with age and I'm already over 60. I have physical
problems that aren't obvious to the casual observer but limiting none the less.

Quite often my "top space" keeps my mind so well distracted that I don't feel anything
until the scene is finished and even til the next morning. THEN my body tells me I
overdid it.

The pain I feel is niether adrenaline or endorphine related. It's the "only the dr. can help"
kinda pain but they can't really do anything except give you a pill. I'd rather sleep.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 2:14:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		... I think we get replaced by those who can.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 2:30:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		Not to compare the two as equals but its the best way I can explain my feelings on this. I have a dear sweet horse that is starting to show his age. We cannot ride the long rigorous trail rides together anymore, no more jumping or fancy dressage moves. We can share a nice leisurely ride down along the river however. I can go out and brush and comb him, scratching all his favourite spots. He still tucks his head up against my chest like he always has. He still calls out to me everytime I come into his sight. We have shared so many miles and years together, he has made me laugh big belly laughs at his antics with the 4H kids and he has made me so angry I mentioned dog food. But I would never ever think of getting rid of him just because his body cannot do the joyous jumps and dancing steps or the day long rides. I love him and will have him with me until his time is done. 

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 4:20:39 PM   
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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 4:27:53 PM   
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ORIGINAL: puella
... I think we get replaced by those who can.


Wow...talk about break my heart. I would surely hope that my submission would never be viewed so lightly as to warrant my replacement based upon a physical restriction or condition. I would also hope that yours wouldn't either.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 7:06:56 PM   
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Status: offline 		I have a difficult time imagining a caring Dom/me replacing a submissive who becomes unable to physically do the things they formerly did to demonstrate their submission. To have put in years of service and then replaced simply because they were physically unable to serve in former ways must be devastating.

Having just started my journey into becoming a submissive, and already having physical issues that preclude some of the physical symbols of submission, I wonder if I'll ever find someone who will be willing to overlook my inability to kneel and see my heart.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/21/2006 11:15:36 PM   
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quote:

This was inspired by another thread--but got Me wondering as we will all at some point grow old(er) or even have some physical limiting malady--how do or how will submission be manifested when the body does not cooperate?



I've said this before in other threads on aging. The dynamic is still there, just the positions are different. I am almost 60 and Hubby is 63. He has a bad hip and i have a bad knee so some positions are very difficult but toys work nicely.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/22/2006 12:15:03 AM   
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ORIGINAL: sublizzie

I have a difficult time imagining a caring Dom/me replacing a submissive who becomes unable to physically do the things they formerly did to demonstrate their submission. To have put in years of service and then replaced simply because they were physically unable to serve in former ways must be devastating.



While it is a Master's right to discard a slave for any reason he desires, I know my Master would not toss out years of training and developing a slave who serves  him well to his liking, simply because she developed some physical limitations.  For him it is about power and control, and he has that in me regardless.  However, I know he would eventually like to own a second girl.  I would think if that happens and if I do become somehow incapacitated, she could do for him what I can not, and vice-versa.  But that is a supplement, not a replacement.  He has no intention of getting rid of me, so long as I give him my best and work to be pleasing.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/22/2006 3:49:31 AM   
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Status: offline 		I, too, think that submission is more or less an attitude.  I can't imagine any dom or Master simply replacing a slave/sub just because she can't kneel for an hour or whatever.  It saddens me to think that there are some that way.  After all, if you dom all of a sudden couldn't swing a flogger, would you look for someone else?  Does that make him less your Master?  Think about it.

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/22/2006 4:27:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		We work around it, that is all we can do. Like many have said submission is either from the heart or being sub/slave is who we are, that does not change because today my knees hurt so i am sitting on a pilow at my owners feet instead of kneeling on the hard wood floor.

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... I think we get replaced by those who can.


Glad i am not your horse...............

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RE: When the body cannot cooperate.. - 5/22/2006 3:06:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		Few P/pl will reach a stage in which T/they cannot move at all; as proudsub has said, i assume P/pl learn new positions and it's really not much of an issue.
 
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