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Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/1/2011 9:41:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension Back at you silly. Saying that having children that can't be afforded is unwise is not picking on the poor, I'm poor for god sake. I think there is a miscommunication here Arpig. Are you always so sarcastic? I meant what I said, and it wasn't picking on any group of people, it's my opinion. I doubt I am alone in that thought either.

susie -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 12:44:04 AM)
So the worry here is for animals? How about people that have been treated far worse than the animals. Read this then see where your sympathy should lie. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gaddafi-prisoners-suffocate-desert-cages-213710611.html

Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 12:50:13 AM)
It will still be with the animals, they have no choice they depend on us for at least a modicum of dignity and a semblance of a decent life. They don't ask for this, not do they deserve it. I am continually appalled by the way we treat them, it's a judgement on us. A damning one I might add. Notice my tagline? Yes.

DeviantlyD -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 3:10:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: susie So the worry here is for animals? How about people that have been treated far worse than the animals. Read this then see where your sympathy should lie. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gaddafi-prisoners-suffocate-desert-cages-213710611.html As I just mentioned...why is it either or? I can't speak for you, but I know I can have sympathies for both animals and innocent human lives. I chose to express one. But my expression doesn't equate to every thought or feeling I have about what is happening in Libya. And Syria. And many other places.

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 3:33:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension Back at you silly. Saying that having children that can't be afforded is unwise is not picking on the poor, I'm poor for god sake. I think there is a miscommunication here Arpig. Are you always so sarcastic? I meant what I said, and it wasn't picking on any group of people, it's my opinion. I doubt I am alone in that thought either. So then how do you and Semi propose to decide who gets to breed and who doesn't? After all there needs to be a way of making sure those irresponsible people don't have kids. Oh and who gets to make that decision?

DeviantlyD -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 3:35:53 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension Back at you silly. Saying that having children that can't be afforded is unwise is not picking on the poor, I'm poor for god sake. I think there is a miscommunication here Arpig. Are you always so sarcastic? I meant what I said, and it wasn't picking on any group of people, it's my opinion. I doubt I am alone in that thought either. So then how do you and Semi propose to decide who gets to breed and who doesn't? After all there needs to be a way of making sure those irresponsible people don't have kids. Oh and who gets to make that decision? Me! :D Got any comments about the subject of the thread?

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 3:49:00 AM)
quote: Got any comments about the subject of the thread? Absolutely! I didn't click the link because I have such a soft spot for animals and I knew it would break my heart. I wish zoos would be abolished, imo animals should be left in their natural habitat. The exceptions to such things are African safaris and such where people go to where the animals are and watch from afar.

WinsomeDefiance -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 6:27:37 AM)
Why must it be an either/or thing? Cruelty and inhumanity should be a concern for those who witness it, no matter if it is an animal in a cage or a child starving or a prisoner tortured. I find it all appalling. It is just so far away and so large scale a problem that it can be depressing, especially when there's so little that an individual can do. I believe that if we only look at the big picture, we feel very small and unable to do anything - and unfortunately end up doing nothing at all. I see the big picture, but I focus on the smaller one I do have control over. I believe in doing as little harm as possible and as much good as possible. If you are hungry and I have food, I'll feed you. If you are homeless and I have a home, you have shelter. I can't make a huge difference in the vast inhumanity that is the world, so I do what I can in the vast inhumanity that is my community. But that doesn't mean that I don't see animals suffering and hurt for them, or people suffering and hurt for them as well. I just don't get why people have to pick sides and say one is worse than the other.

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 7:00:39 AM)
I am worried for the animals, yes, and I think my sympathy is appropriate. Obviously this link is terrible too, and I hope gaddafi gets what he deserves. It doesn't make sense to say you can't feel bad about both. But whethernanyone else likes it or not, if I am given a choice to help animals or people, I am going to choose animals every time. quote: ORIGINAL: susie So the worry here is for animals? How about people that have been treated far worse than the animals. Read this then see where your sympathy should lie. http://uk.news.yahoo.com/gaddafi-prisoners-suffocate-desert-cages-213710611.html

Iamsemisweet -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 7:11:15 AM)
Zephyr, happy you asked. Check out post 19, where I quoted at length from an academy of sciences document about a plan to address overpopulation. You must have missed it. It has nothing to do with choosing who gets to breed and everything to do with education and improving opportunities fro women in third world countries. I know, sounds really horrible, doesn't it? quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth Zephyr said: ( sorry zephyr, my iPad makes it hard to edit quotes from long posts) S We o then how do you and Semi propose to decide who gets to breed and who doesn't? After all there needs to be a way of making sure those irresponsible people don't have kids. Oh and who gets to make that decision?

GreedyTop -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 11:13:09 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension perhaps I am wrong.. but I took the nor can afford? to mean canot afford in terms of resources....

zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 2:05:49 PM)
quote: Zephyr, happy you asked. Check out post 19, where I quoted at length from an academy of sciences document about a plan to address overpopulation. You must have missed it. It has nothing to do with choosing who gets to breed and everything to do with education and improving opportunities fro women in third world countries. I know, sounds really horrible, doesn't it? I'm going to post on your overpopulation thread so as to not further derail this one.

Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 7:39:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension Back at you silly. Saying that having children that can't be afforded is unwise is not picking on the poor, I'm poor for god sake. I think there is a miscommunication here Arpig. Are you always so sarcastic? I meant what I said, and it wasn't picking on any group of people, it's my opinion. I doubt I am alone in that thought either. So then how do you and Semi propose to decide who gets to breed and who doesn't? After all there needs to be a way of making sure those irresponsible people don't have kids. Oh and who gets to make that decision? I don't. I was hoping for personal accountability Zephyr. I said nothing about deciding anything for anyone. If I were like Arpig, I'd be raising a stink calling "liar liar" but I don't do that game when someone has just posted their opinion. I clearly said how about "we" the giant collective we stop ourselves from having children we can't afford? As in, self reflection, looking at our life situation and deciding that maybe we don't have the resources to have a family, or a large family, at this time. Is that such a crazy concept? If someone wants to knock out a dozen kids, I have no intention of being so arrogant to presume I can or would try to prevent that, I am merely hoping for some common sense prior to having children, animals, large homes, anything that we can't afford. Not implementing some draconian birth control rule.

Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/2/2011 7:42:37 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: GreedyTop quote: ORIGINAL: Aynne88 quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: 1. picking on the poor. (no fucking idea where that came from From your post silly, where you said "How about rather than culling, we stop having fucking children we neither care for nor can afford? Last time I checked it was only poor people who can't afford things.And I didn't call you or anybody a right winger....I did compare your thought process to the communist Chinese though, a distinctly non-right wing group. You object to the tone of what I said? Good, it was meant to offend, however what is funny is that you object to things not actually in what I posted. [:D] Two thumbs up for lack of comprehension perhaps I am wrong.. but I took the nor can afford? to mean canot afford in terms of resources.... That is exactly what I meant Greedy, thanks. [:)]. Resources mainly being this earth and also this strained economy that cannot bear the load of supporting children that their own parents can't and knew that prior to having large families. It's an unfortunate situation I agree, and my grandparents were incredibly poor and raised a huge family but times were different then, they paid for them, worked to the bone, and often went without to provide for them. Not so these days.

Termyn8or -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 12:07:55 AM)
"and often went without to provide for them" Oh dear you mean they couldn't get unlimited texting, or had to set the seats and the mirrors in their cars manually, via pushbutton ? Poor babies. When I was ten my Mother made $75 a week and paid $25 a week for the "people" who watched my sister and I for a whole two hours a day between the time she got out of work and picked us up. Good Christians, Baptist people. Yeah right. If I watche dother people's kids under those circumstances I would make them feel like family, and this "family": did nothing of the sort. Yes, we can get so involved into the treatment of animals when we don't even concern ourselves sufficiently with the welfare (not the check kind) or our own progeny. And if you think because I didn't fuck you or that you didn't pop the kid out your gash that it ain't your progeny, you are fucking wrong. This is the human race. Some lanes run a bit slower but they are still in it. Now convince the politicians and we might have something going on. If there are none of these animals outside the zoo, they belong extinct. If there are so what. Actually I think they should let them go, especially if they have lions and tigers and shit. People there are not stupid enough to turn in their guns. T^T

Arpig -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 6:57:05 AM)
quote: That is exactly what I meant Greedy, thanks. . If that is what you meant, why are you contradicting yourself yet again? quote: Resources mainly being this earth and also this strained economy that cannot bear the load of supporting children that their own parents can't and knew that prior to having large families. You're right Aynne, you're not like me, I say what I mean and mean what I say and don't incompetently try squirm and twist my way out of corners I've backed myself into.

MHAP -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 7:53:40 AM)
"What a piece of work is man, how noble in thought"---- Man is what "WE" make him, our every act, is what shapes the future. so feel free to hold up a mirror, and curse man

Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 8:13:14 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Termyn8or "and often went without to provide for them" Oh dear you mean they couldn't get unlimited texting, or had to set the seats and the mirrors in their cars manually, via pushbutton ? Poor babies. When I was ten my Mother made $75 a week and paid $25 a week for the "people" who watched my sister and I for a whole two hours a day between the time she got out of work and picked us up. Good Christians, Baptist people. Yeah right. If I watche dother people's kids under those circumstances I would make them feel like family, and this "family": did nothing of the sort. Yes, we can get so involved into the treatment of animals when we don't even concern ourselves sufficiently with the welfare (not the check kind) or our own progeny. And if you think because I didn't fuck you or that you didn't pop the kid out your gash that it ain't your progeny, you are fucking wrong. This is the human race. Some lanes run a bit slower but they are still in it. Now convince the politicians and we might have something going on. If there are none of these animals outside the zoo, they belong extinct. If there are so what. Actually I think they should let them go, especially if they have lions and tigers and shit. People there are not stupid enough to turn in their guns. T^T Texting? I am talking about the fucking 1950's Termy. My grandfather was a fisherman and a carpenter and my grandmother worked in the fish factories canning sardines for .40 cents an hour and a piecemeal stipend and took in people's laundry. They had 7 children. Better people do not exist. Texting? Wtf is wrong with you?

Aynne88 -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 8:21:58 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Arpig quote: That is exactly what I meant Greedy, thanks. . If that is what you meant, why are you contradicting yourself yet again? quote: Resources mainly being this earth and also this strained economy that cannot bear the load of supporting children that their own parents can't and knew that prior to having large families. You're right Aynne, you're not like me, I say what I mean and mean what I say and don't incompetently try squirm and twist my way out of corners I've backed myself into. wrong again Arpig but you knew that. One trick pony. It's both. As I stated. This earth is maxed to capacity and people without adequate resources to care for their own children should NOT be breeding them. Please stop having children. The economy, the earth, this planet, none of it can sustain this for much longer. Do you get that? Are you somehow personally offended that people feel this way? Did you not support your children (do you have any, don't know don't care) and you are projecting this onto yourself? Or is this just you, passive aggressive as usual, wandering the halls of CM looking for someone to argue with over semantics on a daily fucking basis? Dude, that's sad. You have a pattern Arpig, it's clear as day, I am not getting into another round about circle jerk with you totally derailing yet another thread. You knock yourself out with it though, I don't have the time or the wasted energy to expand. Holy fuck you like the same game over and over. Boggles the mind....

Arpig -> RE: Tripoli's Zoo Animals Suffering (9/3/2011 8:31:31 AM)
quote: This earth is maxed to capacity and people without adequate resources to care for their own children should NOT be breeding them. So I was right all along. Thanks. Things would be so much easier if you would just say so the first time rather than denying, yet confirming, it in every post you make. It's a very strange M.O. actually, to say "A", then deny you said "A" by saying "A".

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