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Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 5:27:16 AM   
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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 5:56:50 AM   
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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 9:44:13 AM   
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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 9:50:16 AM   
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Why d'ya think they are called the "Christian Taliban"?


Because libtards are incapable of debating them on issues, obv.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 9:51:48 AM   
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Why d'ya think they are called the "Christian Taliban"?


Because libtards are incapable of debating them on issues, obv.

Even moderates can't debate someone who chooses to ignore facts.

If you can't understand that fact, you might wanna fit yourself for a turban.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 10:03:24 AM   
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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 10:25:06 AM   
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The voices in their heads told them to do it.....


"God has struck New York and the capital city Washington by an earthquake as a punishment for their disbelief..."

'God, You're going to have to fix this.'

'God then called me to run'

The devoutly religious often view cataclysmic events as a judgement from God, e.g. the tsunami a few years back. Religion can make for strange bedfellows, e.g. right-wing Ultra-Orthodox Jewish beliefs, to which you subscribe, commonly advocate having Israel destroyed just as Hamas/Hizbullah/Al Qaeda do... funny that. BTW post corrected for typos

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 10:47:02 AM   
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A bunch of people glom onto Herzl's falsified hypothesis, and hey, there was good money in selling trees, so... Of course, it's doomed....



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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 10:51:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		Its not a point about Zionism Fargle. The broad religious group, to which you subscribe, agrees with very extreme Islamic terrorists about the existence of a nation whilst you criticise a select number of others, on the opposite side of the political spectrum to yourself, for what is a shared extremist viewpoint similar to the above.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 10:57:07 AM   
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Your analysis is simply insufficient. Try again.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 11:03:46 AM   
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Well, that's your problem for sticking me in the wrong category, isn't it.

Your analysis is simply insufficient. Try again.

No its correct unless you can affirm otherwise. You stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel. That means you subscribe to a viewpoint akin to Islamic terrorists who share a similar goal. Thus its unfair to criticise others for having a viewpoint that is similar to another set of Islamic extremists.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 11:13:21 AM   
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You stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel.


CITATION REQUIRED. You're going to have to support that claim.



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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 11:20:04 AM   
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You stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel.


CITATION REQUIRED. You're going to have to support that claim.

LOL you stated it on at least two threads in the last few months, at least one of which was deleted. Many I am sure will recall you said the existence of the state was a sin against God's will as exemplified in the Torah. If you pretend you didn't then it won't help your cred! You also said similar religious BS about having full responsibility at the age of 13 when the issue of the Pope joining Hitler Youth at 14 was debated.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 12:21:48 PM   
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You stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel.


CITATION REQUIRED. You're going to have to support that claim.

LOL you stated it on at least two threads in the last few months, at least one of which was deleted. Many I am sure will recall you said the existence of the state was a sin against God's will as exemplified in the Torah. If you pretend you didn't then it won't help your cred! You also said similar religious BS about having full responsibility at the age of 13 when the issue of the Pope joining Hitler Youth at 14 was debated.



So you have no citation to support your assertion that I, in your own words "stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel"

Thank you for clarifying the fact that you made an unfounded assertion for everyone. I accept your apology and don't hold your "bearing false witness" against you, since you eventually told the truth.

I *knew* when I called "bullshit" on your claim, you'd fold faster than Superman on laundry day. See, I don't call for Israel's destruction. I call for the Government of Israel to abandon its stupidity and embrace our cherished democratic principles. A written constitution. The Rule of Law. Equality Under the Law. One Human, One Vote, etc.... I *remarked* that the current situation is doomed, yes, that is true, but you really needed to stretch to get to me calling for it's destruction. Call it "Reformation" if you will. A ratification of a true constitution by all the administrative districts...





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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 3:24:35 PM   
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You stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel.

CITATION REQUIRED. You're going to have to support that claim.

LOL you stated it on at least two threads in the last few months, at least one of which was deleted. Many I am sure will recall you said the existence of the state was a sin against God's will as exemplified in the Torah. If you pretend you didn't then it won't help your cred! You also said similar religious BS about having full responsibility at the age of 13 when the issue of the Pope joining Hitler Youth at 14 was debated.

So you have no citation to support your assertion that I, in your own words "stated before you accepted the common stance of ultra-orthodox Jews who are very strongly against the existence of Israel"

As I said the last thread on Israel in July, which is now deleted, contained your assertions in the first few pages of the thread which I replied to and a discussion on the Torah ensued. If any of the mods read this perhaps they can confirm what I said is true? Besides which you actually confirmed what I said was true with this post:
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...and that I do believe that the State of Israel is doomed, since the Messiah hasn't come to us yet.



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Thank you for clarifying the fact that you made an unfounded assertion for everyone. I accept your apology and don't hold your "bearing false witness" against you, since you eventually told the truth.

Wrong again, your very post on this thread quoted above indicates you hold the views I reminded you of. Besides which I wonder where you "interpreted" that I apologised?

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I *knew* when I called "bullshit" on your claim, you'd fold faster than Superman on laundry day. See, I don't call for Israel's destruction. I call for the Government of Israel to abandon its stupidity and embrace our cherished democratic principles. A written constitution. The Rule of Law. Equality Under the Law. One Human, One Vote, etc.... I *remarked* that the current situation is doomed, yes, that is true, but you really needed to stretch to get to me calling for it's destruction. Call it "Reformation" if you will. A ratification of a true constitution by all the administrative districts...

We were talking about ultra-orthodox Jewish opinion (specifically Neturei Karta) being pro-Palestinian on the deleted Israeli thread. You went along with their hardline views about Israel, stating that Israel was against God's will. You are turning this thread off-topic with bullshit about the place. Seeking a one-state solution, as Islamists do, is essentially calling for its destruction. There is some discrimination due to the conflict but Arabs largely have equality in Israel. Arabic is one of only two official languages. Arabs have the vote and stand for election. A few Arab MKs have called for Israel's destruction in the Knesset but that is a topic for another debate so I'm sure we'll be chatting about that yet again.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 5:29:38 PM   
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stating that Israel was against God's will.


Citation STILL REQUIRED, Motherfucker.

What you want to believe I've said, and what I've said are two different things. You use the term "Israel" without any modifiers, e.g.: "Israeli Government". Since you appear unable to make that distinction yourself, it's not really surprising that you aren't recalling my past usage correctly.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 5:56:14 PM   
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You sided with a religious view that is in harmony with Islamist terrorists, namely the destruction of a state. Then you criticise a few political opponents who also shared similar views to other Islamists over a less extreme issue. Thats a little thing called hypocrisy. Deal with it.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 6:14:01 PM   
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Well, it's true that I'm a post-Zionist, One-Love, One-State, Self-Evident Truth kind of guy, and that I do believe that the State of Israel is doomed, since the Messiah hasn't come to us yet.

A bunch of people glom onto Herzl's falsified hypothesis, and hey, there was good money in selling trees, so... Of course, it's doomed....

Jewish Taliban? 

Firm


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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 8/31/2011 9:11:49 PM   
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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Well, it's true that I'm a post-Zionist, One-Love, One-State, Self-Evident Truth kind of guy, and that I do believe that the State of Israel is doomed, since the Messiah hasn't come to us yet.

A bunch of people glom onto Herzl's falsified hypothesis, and hey, there was good money in selling trees, so... Of course, it's doomed....

Jewish Taliban? 

Firm


Why not? We already have a Christian Taliban and a Muslim Taliban. I don't think a Buddhist Taliban would out work too well though.

An Aetheist Taliban could have some interesting problems too.

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RE: Religious Republicans and Islamic Jihadists agree.... - 9/1/2011 12:14:59 AM   
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Your posts in this thread have asserted the following:

right-wing Ultra-Orthodox Jewish beliefs, to which you subscribe, commonly advocate having Israel destroyed just as Hamas/Hizbullah/Al Qaeda
Its not a point about Zionism

Becoming more specific, you invoke Neturei Karta:

We were talking about ultra-orthodox Jewish opinion (specifically Neturei Karta)
you won't get away with trying to obfuscate and confuse the issue.

As it happens, however, and your insistence to the contrary notwithstanding, Zionism is precisely the point. And only a Zionist ideologue would have any reason to try to "obfuscate and confuse" that central issue.

Furthermore, neither Jews opposed to Zionism generally nor Neteuri Karta advocate the destruction of the State of Israel or, for that matter, the destruction of anybody anywhere. Those are vile and outrageous lies. Not that I think you give a damn, but I mention it for the sake of anyone who may mistakenly imagine that you are capable of holding an intelligent opinion on the subject.
    We are motivated by our concern for the peace and safety of all people throughout the world including those living in the Zionist state. We support and pray for peace for the people of the Zionist state but have no interest in and do not support the Zionist government. ~Jews Against Zionism Mission Statement

    NKI seeks peace and reconciliation with all peoples and nations. This is especially needed in our relations towards the Islamic world where Zionism has for 53 years done so much to ruin Jewish - Muslim understanding. ~Neteuri Karta Mission Statement
Thank you for your time.

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