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DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:30:46 AM)

Different tastes again. But I would have thought he'd have taken a cue from Bush and written something of the same vein. He would have still cashed in. Just imagining next year. you are the republican nominee, are you going try and have them both say something at the convention?




DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:36:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

Powell is one of these guys who loved the look and feel of those pin stripe suits those boys in State like to wear. He loved getting interviewed by Katie and Matt and wanted so much to say the right things and get invited to the right parties. General, thanks for your service, but stick with o'dingdong. You are just another RINO... maybe huntsman will hang out with you and the two of you can be the token "republicans" MSNBC interviews. Problems is nobody watches MSNBC.


So you are saying Powell was a wimp?




Lucylastic -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:37:28 AM)

ABM Once again your grasp on the ridiculous is as tight as a ducks ass




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:40:03 AM)

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So you are saying Powell was a wimp?
he did give that fucking wmd speech to the un.




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:41:50 AM)

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?




Hillwilliam -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:44:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ArizonaBossMan

Powell is one of these guys who loved the look and feel of those pin stripe suits those boys in State like to wear. He loved getting interviewed by Katie and Matt and wanted so much to say the right things and get invited to the right parties. General, thanks for your service, but stick with o'dingdong. You are just another RINO... maybe huntsman will hang out with you and the two of you can be the token "republicans" MSNBC interviews. Problems is nobody watches MSNBC.

Like when he was wounded in SE asia?

2nd Lt to chairman of the Joint chiefs. What did you accomplish there butter boy?




DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:57:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?


Hannah, your mom and dad would be the ones over there with the white hoods on....




HannahLynHeather -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 6:59:05 AM)

actually no, they are die hard union types. very left of left. [:D]




StrangerThan -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 7:02:02 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Different tastes again. But I would have thought he'd have taken a cue from Bush and written something of the same vein. He would have still cashed in. Just imagining next year. you are the republican nominee, are you going try and have them both say something at the convention?


I haven't read either book. Not sure I will. When you say have them both say something at the convention, I'm assuming you mean Cheney and Powell?

Regardless of what side you're on, the Bush administration is toxic in politics. He was polarizing for a lot of reasons. Dems like to forget that a lot of fiscal conservatives didn't care much for Bush either. But by far, I think the thing that galvanized liberals was the bully on the playground approach to dealing with other countries. Putting anyone on the stand from that administration at the convention isn't.. smart right now. At least I don't think so. The party faithful won't mind I'm sure, but the neither party's faithful are the people who elect presidents. Independents are, and they as a group migrated away from Bush.

The GOP has several issues to address and needs to clarify a message that speaks to those independents if they want to win the next election. One is taxes. They are nailing themselves into a corner by proposing cuts to medicare while refusing to address more revenue. Stories like the one running on yahoo this morning about CEO compensation for... I think it was a quarter of the top 100 companies exceeding the tax that company paid, are helping nail them in that corner too. That is an area they have to address if they want independent voters on board.

The bottom line though is the big three of defense, social security, and medicare also have to be addressed if we're going to get spending under control. I, like many, can understand shared sacrifice. The point that's being foisted upon the GOP, and rightly so in some cases, is that the sacrifice isn't being shared.

Dems want more stimulus. That fact was predicted the instant the first stimulus came around by many economists, and is a non-starter politically right now. Those pushing for it will find themselves nailed into an equally tight corner. There's plenty of blame to go around for being in the deficit situation we're in. Bush did his part. Obama has done his part. A lot of folks swoon over Clinton and point to the deficit then. What most of them conveniently forget is that a good bit of the legislation that castrated the country in terms of manufacturing, jobs, and the loosening of credit occurred during his administration.

We're in a fucked up situation and there are no easy answers. Obama has been "focused on jobs" for almost a year now and finally is going to announce a plan. I'm sure it's going to be a good bit of the rehash of the same tired bs that we've heard before. Why? Because he doesn't have many options. The credit rating issue is one that can significantly impact interest rates across the board. They're telling us as a country to get our fiscal house in order.

Look around the world at countries trying to do that very thing. It ain't pretty.

For us, actually dealing with it is mostly an attempt to push the ain't pretty part off to the future where maybe the other party will get the blame.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 7:12:26 AM)

Yeah meant Cheney and Powell. How can Bush not be popular in Republican circles? He was a two term President. I will take your word for it but Clinton is still very popular in Dem circles. The convention is there to paint a picture. With this stuff coming out now and what seems to be a food fight between some of the heavyweights of the party going on the picture gets harder to paint.

If you were the presumptive nominee would you have Bush and Cheney both speak? For sure both Clinton and Gore will have time at the Dem. convention. Do you give McCain time? How do you get that picture to not look so "white".

As for the economy I would hope that Obama goes bold and lays out the differences in real terms between what the two parties want.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 7:16:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: HannahLynHeather

i just thought of something. rice and powell are both black. the uppity n****r syndrome maybe?


What is interesting is that you will write this shit here then go running to another thread and cry cause someone says they don't care to watch you clean the carpet.




Iamsemisweet -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 7:42:41 AM)

I thought it was interesting the way dubya and company turned on Powell, and blamed him for a lot of their failings. I thought it was even more interesting that he was apparently willing to fall on his sword.
Anyway, I can't wait to read ts book, I hope it is available on Audible soon. I always wondered what went on behind closed doors in that administration.




hot4bondage -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 8:07:05 AM)

I think he sees that history will not be kind to him, so he's simply doing what he can to cover his ass before the mountain of classified documents comes crashing down on him.

A random but possibly relevant point:

Cheney claimed that the Vice President is not a part of the Executive branch. I think that speaks volumes about his character and motivations.




farglebargle -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 8:16:42 AM)

There's plenty of evidence of violation 18 USC 371 to put Bush, Cheney, Rice, Rumsfeld, Powell, et. al. in Federal-Pound-Me-In-The-Ass-Prison for any number of years.

Of course, as I've said before, America is no longer guided by "The Rule of Law", but rather "The Rule of Fuck You" so holding them actually accountable is the remotest possibility.




StrangerThan -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 8:45:41 AM)

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ORIGINAL: DomYngBlk

Yeah meant Cheney and Powell. How can Bush not be popular in Republican circles? He was a two term President. I will take your word for it but Clinton is still very popular in Dem circles. The convention is there to paint a picture. With this stuff coming out now and what seems to be a food fight between some of the heavyweights of the party going on the picture gets harder to paint.

If you were the presumptive nominee would you have Bush and Cheney both speak? For sure both Clinton and Gore will have time at the Dem. convention. Do you give McCain time? How do you get that picture to not look so "white".

As for the economy I would hope that Obama goes bold and lays out the differences in real terms between what the two parties want.


Like I said, the Bush administration is toxic. Speaking though would be a foregone conclusion given their status. As you noted, Bush was a two term president. What I wouldn't want them doing is framing policy. That I would want in my control. What would I have him talking about? Well, not sure I could tell him what topic to address, but the one I'd push in his direction is his vision of democracy in the Middle East, and maybe give him some very bright speech writers to help draw the connections between current events and the vision he enunciated. Maybe poke those same speech writers on the shoulder and tell them to go read some liberal blogs where the writers work themselves into a frenzy trying to disassociate the two. I don't know about Cheney. I could probably come up with something given time though.

Powell? He comes across as a more thoughtful and deliberate Republican. So maybe use Bush to lay out the differences in vision, Cheney to whip up the base, and Powell to finesse the message to Independents. That leaves the door open for a strong leader who recognizes the mistakes of the past, and has a plan for the future that includes taxes, entitlements, the military and wars, and the current assault on the Constitution.

I mean hell, when it comes to Bush, my biggest gripes were the Patriot Act, refusing to follow rules while talking about the Rule of Law, and fucking with the constitution. Rules in this case directly mean the refusal at times to obtain warrants even though there's almost a rubber stamp process for doing it under.. FISA I think it is. I never could understand why create the controversy when the process is so easy.

Under Obama, I have the Patriot Act still. I have a president who creates controversy by not talking to Congress over the war powers act when I have three months to do so, and a situation where the broadening of power they're seeking for the ACA potentially opens the door to what is virtually unlimited power in telling you what to do with your life and what you must have in it.

I don't see much difference honestly.




DomYngBlk -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 8:57:49 AM)

Fascinating any way it is sliced. It will make for good theatre when it comes about. Here in Ohio the Gov. is trying hard to stop the referendum on the Anti-Gov't Union bill that was signed into law. Part of it is policy, of course, and part of it is that Kasich still want to be Pres,,,,or VP. The possibles for VP on the Republican side is almost as inteesting. If you are Ron Paul do you do the Father Son tandem? :)




willbeurdaddy -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 9:08:06 AM)

FR

Powell lied to Cheney and Bush about Richard Armitage, causing a needless investigation and witchhunt to continue. He also endorsed Obama. Any claims that he's a Republican, even a RINO, are ludicrous on their face.
And Cheney's argument that the VP is not part of the Executive Branch is a stretch, but far from being slam dunk incorrect. The Constitution's only mention of the VP in the Executive Branch section is on impeachment. His responsibilities are included in the Legistaltive Branch section. At worst the VP has one foot in each branch.

And 3:1 the OP didn't read the book, just some nonsense on HuffPo.




farglebargle -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 10:51:06 AM)

Powell lied about Iraq being a threat to the Unites States... Lying about Armitage is insignificant.

Cheney lied about Iraq being a threat to the United States... "Stretching the truth" about his duties is insignificant.





willbeurdaddy -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 11:02:33 AM)


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ORIGINAL: farglebargle

Powell lied about Iraq being a threat to the Unites States... Lying about Armitage is insignificant.

Cheney lied about Iraq being a threat to the United States... "Stretching the truth" about his duties is insignificant.




Too bad you dont understand the definition of a "lie".




farglebargle -> RE: Can a Conservative Explain this? - Dick Cheney (8/31/2011 11:06:15 AM)

You want to quibble about the difference between 'lie' and 'fraud'?

I suggest this definition for clarity. Where I wrote 'lie' before, substitute this:

The presentation of information through deceit, craft, trickery, dishonest means, and fraudulent representations, including lies, half-truths, material omissions, and statements made with reckless indifference to their truth or falsity.





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