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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 8/31/2011 6:49:28 PM   
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ROFL. As clueless as always. It was formed as part of the Department of War in the late 1800s, and would have been worthless to public news services and their readers.



Not according to its own web site...... maybe they are "As clueless as always."

http://www.weather.gov/pa/history/index.php



Sigggh. Your reading abilities are severly lacking.

"The beginning of the National Weather Service we know today started on February 9th, 1870, when President Ulysses S. Grant signed a joint resolution of Congress authorizing the Secretary of War to establish a national weather service. This resolution required the Secretary of War
"to provide for taking meteorological observations at the military stations in the interior of the continent and at other points in the States and Territories...and for giving notice on the northern (Great) Lakes and on the seacoast by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms" "

Exactly what I said.



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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 8/31/2011 7:41:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh I agree to cut the federal NWS...soon as we cut federal farming, federal oil, federal banking, federal highways, federal...federal...federal.

But hey cybersluts this is a forever-continuing harangue from the right-wing media that [it] will just keep beating into the Fox TV audience and just as Goering said, the people will begin to believe it and will come willingly along then, until...it is too late.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 3:22:56 AM   
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Status: offline 		Well, except that it was originally for public use also, as you note by quoting, "and for giving notice on the northern (Great) Lakes and on the seacoast by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms"

It wasn't secret at all..

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ROFL. As clueless as always. It was formed as part of the Department of War in the late 1800s, and would have been worthless to public news services and their readers.



Not according to its own web site...... maybe they are "As clueless as always."

http://www.weather.gov/pa/history/index.php



Sigggh. Your reading abilities are severly lacking.

"The beginning of the National Weather Service we know today started on February 9th, 1870, when President Ulysses S. Grant signed a joint resolution of Congress authorizing the Secretary of War to establish a national weather service. This resolution required the Secretary of War
"to provide for taking meteorological observations at the military stations in the interior of the continent and at other points in the States and Territories...and for giving notice on the northern (Great) Lakes and on the seacoast by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms" "

Exactly what I said.





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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 4:28:09 AM   
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Sigggh. Your reading abilities are severly lacking.

"The beginning of the National Weather Service we know today started on February 9th, 1870, when President Ulysses S. Grant signed a joint resolution of Congress authorizing the Secretary of War to establish a national weather service. This resolution required the Secretary of War
"to provide for taking meteorological observations at the military stations in the interior of the continent and at other points in the States and Territories...and for giving notice on the northern (Great) Lakes and on the seacoast by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms" "

Exactly what I said.





The use of selective quoting only makes you look more of an ass than normal. If you read the quoted part, you would have read the rest, especially the bit about WHY the war dept were given the task. The clue is also in the first name for the service, but incase you missed it.

"After much thought and consideration, it was decided that this agency would be placed under the Secretary of War because military discipline would probably secure the greatest promptness, regularity, and accuracy in the required observations. Within the Department of War, it was assigned to the Signal Service Corps under Brigadier General Albert J. Myer. General Meyer gave the National Weather Service its first name: The Division of Telegrams and Reports for the Benefit of Commerce."

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 5:28:10 AM   
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The use of selective quoting only makes you look more of an ass than normal. If you read the quoted part, you would have read the rest, especially the bit about WHY the war dept were given the task. The clue is also in the first name for the service, but in case you missed it.

"After much thought and consideration, it was decided that this agency would be placed under the Secretary of War because military discipline would probably secure the greatest promptness, regularity, and accuracy in the required observations. Within the Department of War, it was assigned to the Signal Service Corps under Brigadier General Albert J. Myer. General Meyer gave the National Weather Service its first name: The Division of Telegrams and Reports for the Benefit of Commerce."

And that's the problem for some - "...for the Benefit of Commerce".

If every American citizen benefits without paying a specific fee to a private company or corporation, in their eyes it's not "...for the Benefit of Commerce".

It's only "...for the Benefit of Commerce", if one person/company/corporation owns something and controls it completely and receives money from others for that item or service.

Otherwise, it's SOCIALISM, COMMUNISM and/or PROGRESSIVISM.


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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:00:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Nonsense like this is why I describe myself as a borderline libertarian... how could anyone think that warning people to get the fuck out of the way of a hurricane is NOT a legitimate function of government.

Absolutism ("one size fits all") is the enemy of free thinking. When a philosophy (flexible, new facts are considered, the philosophy is adjusted if necessary) becomes absolutist it is no longer a philosophy. It has become an ideology (inflexible, new "facts" are wrong, the ideology is always right)... and all ideologies are dangerous.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:21:01 AM   
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Well, except that it was originally for public use also, as you note by quoting, "and for giving notice on the northern (Great) Lakes and on the seacoast by magnetic telegraph and marine signals, of the approach and force of storms"

It wasn't secret at all..



Nobody said it was "secret", but it most certainly had no "public use" at the time. Whatever information they gathered had no way to be disseminated quickly enough for that.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:29:08 AM   
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Why would it need an entire bureaucracy to warn people of storm systems, fold it back into the pentagon. Let the Weather Channel do it...

I guess everyone thinks the United States has money to burn?

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Nonsense like this is why I describe myself as a borderline libertarian... how could anyone think that warning people to get the fuck out of the way of a hurricane is NOT a legitimate function of government.

Absolutism ("one size fits all") is the enemy of free thinking. When a philosophy (flexible, new facts are considered, the philosophy is adjusted if necessary) becomes absolutist it is no longer a philosophy. It has become an ideology (inflexible, new "facts" are wrong, the ideology is always right)... and all ideologies are dangerous.


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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:32:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lol, such classic hate arguement...Admit nothing, deny everything, make counter-accusations....

Read it, didn't watch the movie. You, on the other hand, obviously didn't even read the clif notes. Was Ayn Rand a profit and/or a sage? No. A good fictional writer? Yes. If you had read it, you would know about a third of the book was more a less about the sexual escapades and of the heroine. You would also know, that it wasn't a pure government=bad rich=good statement. Most of the wealthy in the book were snivling cheaters and she despised them from taking government subsidies and using the government to cheat honest business men. The problem with 'teabaggers' as you put it, is that they miss the notion that was a fictional thought exercise, not manual for life. She also didn't have a problem with fair objective regulation of industry. Her issue was with crony favoring subjective regulation. Later in the book, she gets pretty heady about market only regulation, but that is like any other story about a theoretical utopia, it is hyperbole of thought.

The problem with people like you, is that you are uneducated clod. You don't read a spectrum of literature in or out of your own political views. And, even if you do, you don't comprehend it bucause you spend half your time indignantly spitting on the pages. I am not a Rand-ite, but I will give anyone their due when someone else comes out and spouts a load of hopped up drivel on them.

Contribute more than some third grade name calling diatribe, and make an arguement based on reason.


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Goreans, Teabaggers, both unempathetic rightwingers in a fantasy camp: same trough, different trotters.
And Atlas Shrugged? Did you read it, or just watch the movie? The book is just swill about how pure rich people are and how ebil the government is for regulating things. Bilgewater written by a poor little spoilt rich girl who lost her mansion and summerhouse on the Volga.
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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:41:12 AM   
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Status: offline 		So, you're thinking then that Danielle Banks is gonna call up Fugate and say look here, there is a little intermittent shower brewing up we are calling Irene, and we think it is going to land about wednesday at 8p somewhere around Dismal Seepage, Virginia, and we were thinking that you might want to evacuate the entire east coast say to a depth of 75 miles inland, and if we are wrong, you can blame it on us.

But she also calls up Vilsack and says, heres the deal fuckface, it is gonna be a drought pattern settling longterm in the midwest, and you are going to have to face some corn and wheat shortages and fuck around getting a policy on for the grain markets and buying up what you can get your hands on so we dont starve. If I blow it, you can blame it on me.

Frankly, that is sort of not going to play out in the real world.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 8:54:04 AM   
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Status: offline 		Actually, I am a bit stunned about this discussion about the NWS, It is actually a government agency that does a respectable job (Not like the TSA, for example). They serve a good purpose. To expand on the issue of warning people, you need a government agency to make warnings and advisories to protect people. Mostly because they are immune from lawsuits. They aren't afraid to warn or nor warn people based on their expertise. A private entity would have its ass sued off for making a bad prediction, meaning they would be afraid to do anything. Since we are talking about the weather, we need that immunity when it comes to public notifications.

The global warming issues people have can mostly be attributed to agencies like NOAA and NASA. I think its origins are irrelevant. It is not a redundant organization. There are others that may be redundant to the NWS, but not the other way around.

Now, if this was a discussion about the post office.....I might have to agree with the libertarians.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 9:26:54 AM   
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The global warming issues people have can mostly be attributed to agencies like NOAA and NASA. I think its origins are irrelevant.

I though you were PRO NWS. This destroys that argument!


It is not a redundant organization. There are others that may be redundant to the NWS, but not the other way around.



There are companies and websites worth hundreds of millions of dollars built off of the NWS data. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 9:51:15 AM   
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Well, those companies pay taxes, you don't have to watch the weather channel, you can go to the NWS website if you like and put them out of business.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 10:10:14 AM   
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The global warming issues people have can mostly be attributed to agencies like NOAA and NASA. I think its origins are irrelevant.

I though you were PRO NWS. This destroys that argument!


It is not a redundant organization. There are others that may be redundant to the NWS, but not the other way around.



There are companies and websites worth hundreds of millions of dollars built off of the NWS data. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

There is commerce worth Trillions that travels along our interstate highway system. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

See how STUPID your argument sounds?

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 10:30:08 AM   
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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 10:38:18 AM   
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If he knew how stupid his argument sounded, he wouldn't be making it, would he?



I`m not so sure.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:07:39 AM   
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Why do it's origins being irrelevant, negate its purpose?


Well, those companies pay taxes, you don't have to watch the weather channel, you can go to the NWS website if you like and put them out of business.


Uhhhh so do other companies that dont use the data. Read my lips: ITS A SUBSIDY that enriches one group of shareholders at the expense of the taxpayer.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:08:47 AM   
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The global warming issues people have can mostly be attributed to agencies like NOAA and NASA. I think its origins are irrelevant.

I though you were PRO NWS. This destroys that argument!


It is not a redundant organization. There are others that may be redundant to the NWS, but not the other way around.



There are companies and websites worth hundreds of millions of dollars built off of the NWS data. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

There is commerce worth Trillions that travels along our interstate highway system. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

See how STUPID your argument sounds?


Because the interstate highway system benefits EVERYBODY, moron, not a limited group of companies.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:14:19 AM   
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They won't help anyone because they've never needed help, but they're the first ones to fall apart when the sh*t hits the fan. Think Goreans!


Think Republicans... and leave Goreans out of this discussion. You know less about Goreans than you do politics.


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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:14:33 AM   
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Status: offline 		If you don't live near one or drive on it than it is a SUBSITY for people who do. You should advocate Dumping the federal highway tax and going to a toll system which accurately gauges usage and charges those who use it and use it most. Run your logic out to its conclusion....

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