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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:16:09 AM   
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The global warming issues people have can mostly be attributed to agencies like NOAA and NASA. I think its origins are irrelevant.

I though you were PRO NWS. This destroys that argument!


It is not a redundant organization. There are others that may be redundant to the NWS, but not the other way around.



There are companies and websites worth hundreds of millions of dollars built off of the NWS data. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

There is commerce worth Trillions that travels along our interstate highway system. Why the fuck should taxpayers have subsidized their shareholders? Why should we continue to do so?

See how STUPID your argument sounds?


Because the interstate highway system benefits EVERYBODY, moron, not a limited group of companies.

As does the weather service.

By the way, when is the last time you saw the Amish on an interstate?

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:17:40 AM   
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If you don't live near one or drive on it than it is a SUBSITY for people who do.


Wrong. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, the computer you use were delivered via the Interstate Highway system. You don't have to personally use it to benefit from it.

Youre smarter than this, don't regress!

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:24:28 AM   
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If you don't live near one or drive on it than it is a SUBSITY for people who do.


Wrong. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, the computer you use were delivered via the Interstate Highway system. You don't have to personally use it to benefit from it.

Youre smarter than this, don't regress!

The food you eat and the clothes (if cotton) that you wear are produced by farmers who depend on the National Weather Service.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:27:03 AM   
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If you don't live near one or drive on it than it is a SUBSITY for people who do.


Wrong. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, the computer you use were delivered via the Interstate Highway system. You don't have to personally use it to benefit from it.

Youre smarter than this, don't regress!

The food you eat and the clothes (if cotton) that you wear are produced by farmers who depend on the National Weather Service.


And they should have free access. the Weather Channel, Weather Underground and other sites that make money by merely repackaging the data shouldnt. Very simple. Its no different than any other intellectual property.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:37:51 AM   
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There ya go. Free access.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:40:47 AM   
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www.noaa.gov

There ya go. Free access.


As always the point is totally beyond your feeble comprehension.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:42:06 AM   
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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:44:18 AM   
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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:49:03 AM   
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Let me help you, it was designed to disseminate weather information via the public news services.
Shhh...don't confuse Willbe with facts.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 11:59:33 AM   
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As always, when someone shows you're full of shit and shoots your argument full of holes, you resort to personal attacks. Did you learn that from sanity or did he learn it from you?


Reread the thread. If you still don't understand there is no hope for you. Not that I held much anyway.


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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:01:05 PM   
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And they should have free access. the Weather Channel, Weather Underground and other sites that make money by merely repackaging the data shouldnt. Very simple. Its no different than any other intellectual property.
This is probably going to surprise everybody, but I think Willbe is right this time.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:01:54 PM   
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Let me help you, it was designed to disseminate weather information via the public news services.
Shhh...don't confuse Willbe with facts.


Too bad the "fact" was dead wrong. It was designed to provide date for the government/military when there were no public news services other than newspapers which would have had no hope of using it in a timely fashion.

Ahhhh apparently you have read the rest of the thread after your first impulse to snark. Theres hope for you yet!

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:10:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		I was in the thread from the beginning. Your complaint is that people shouldn't be allowed to profit from a federal program that they get for free.
There are hundreds if not thousands of federal programs that people profit from. Want to attack something? How about federally funded "Beach Renourishment" programs that have cost the Army corps of Engineers Billions over the years so that beachfront resorts can keep raking in those tourist $. Attack federally funded dredging of Harbors so that the shipping industry can make Billions. Attack subsidies of agribusiness and oil companies that goes straight into stockholderr's pockets.

If people weren't too lazy to go get the data thamselves via NOAA or radio broadcasts, there would be no market for it. If you don't like the weather channel, don't watch it. Get your data for FREE.
All those companies make a profit because people are lazy. They offer a service. They look at the data. They package it and they spoon feed it to those of you who are too lazy or ignorant to figure it out on your own.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:14:51 PM   
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And they should have free access. the Weather Channel, Weather Underground and other sites that make money by merely repackaging the data shouldnt. Very simple. Its no different than any other intellectual property.
This is probably going to surprise everybody, but I think Willbe is right this time.

Gonna disagree. He is saying that farmers should have free access so they can make a profit but the Weather Channel should NOT have free access so they can make a profit.

Why is an agribusiness different from an entertainment business? For both, Information + Labor = Profit (hopefully). Why should one recieve that info free and the other have to pay? They're both taxpayers.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:17:51 PM   
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And they should have free access. the Weather Channel, Weather Underground and other sites that make money by merely repackaging the data shouldnt. Very simple. Its no different than any other intellectual property.
This is probably going to surprise everybody, but I think Willbe is right this time.

Gonna disagree. He is saying that farmers should have free access so they can make a profit but the Weather Channel should NOT have free access so they can make a profit.

Why is an agribusiness different from an entertainment business? For both, Information + Labor = Profit (hopefully). Why should one recieve that info free and the other have to pay? They're both taxpayers.


There is a difference between USING information and profitting from REPACKAGING information. DUCY?

HBO PAYS for the right to broadcast movies, radio stations PAY for the right to broadcast music. Businesses should PAY for what the taxpayers have funded if they profit directly from it, not just use it.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:27:39 PM   
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And they should have free access. the Weather Channel, Weather Underground and other sites that make money by merely repackaging the data shouldnt. Very simple. Its no different than any other intellectual property.
This is probably going to surprise everybody, but I think Willbe is right this time.

Gonna disagree. He is saying that farmers should have free access so they can make a profit but the Weather Channel should NOT have free access so they can make a profit.

Why is an agribusiness different from an entertainment business? For both, Information + Labor = Profit (hopefully). Why should one recieve that info free and the other have to pay? They're both taxpayers.


There is a difference between USING information and profitting from REPACKAGING information. DUCY?

HBO PAYS for the right to broadcast movies, radio stations PAY for the right to broadcast music. Businesses should PAY for what the taxpayers have funded if they profit directly from it, not just use it.

If you don't know the difference between privately produced copyrighted media and publicly produced media, you truly are hopeless.

Face it. Your logic is faulty. Deal with it.
Businesses already PAY for that info. They PAY taxes. (unless they are wealthy enough to PAY for a pet congressman).

To take your logic further. Are you willing to tell ranchers out west to get their cattle off taxpayer-owned BLM land? Are you willing to shut off their taxpayer funded irrigation water?

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 12:54:00 PM   
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If you don't live near one or drive on it than it is a SUBSITY for people who do.


Wrong. The food you eat, the clothes you wear, the computer you use were delivered via the Interstate Highway system. You don't have to personally use it to benefit from it.

Youre smarter than this, don't regress!


Not regressing at all... YOU assume all commerce must move by or through the interstate at some point, and without them I would starve and be naked. What about rail, air, barge/ship, or state roads? Rail is all private. You wouldn't have electricity without rail in most places because they feed the power plants with coal. If I use your logic, I would belive the highways are a subsity for the trucking industry fucking over the rail companies.

I don't see the NWS as a subsity but piece of vital infrastructure. We need to know the weather, it keeps commerce regular. A subsity generally favors one form of technology or product over another. Like paying for solar panels or farmers to grow corn. It is the government manipulating the market.

What the market does with government services is up to the market. If it finds a way to make money, so be it. They are creating jobs and economy with that information. That repays their use of infrastructure with more taxpayers and more tax dollars.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 1:07:07 PM   
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Let me help you, it was designed to disseminate weather information via the public news services.
Shhh...don't confuse Willbe with facts.


Too bad the "fact" was dead wrong. It was designed to provide date for the government/military when there were no public news services other than newspapers which would have had no hope of using it in a timely fashion.

Ahhhh apparently you have read the rest of the thread after your first impulse to snark. Theres hope for you yet!



Uhhhh, wilbur, why are you such an arrogant idiot? I mean your ignorance should humble you but you merrily and foggily float along.

You might want to read up on the Associated Press for instance.

Associated Press is a not-for-profit news cooperative formed in the spring of 1846 by five daily newspapers in New York City to share the cost of transmitting news of the Mexican-American War by boat, horse express, and telegraph

They expanded a little in the 24 years leading up to 1870 and could dit dit dit and dah dah dah news all over the country in (for those times) a pretty timely fashion. As always, in agrarian societies, the weather was big and constant news. You might have heard Sam Clemens remark on it.
(On second thought YOU may not have, don't seem to have much actual information at hand....)

Thanks for playing, and dont forget your parting gifts, as always, from the loser pile.

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RE: Libertarian Think Tank Calls For Elimination Of Nat... - 9/1/2011 2:14:41 PM   
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Why would it need an entire bureaucracy to warn people of storm systems, fold it back into the pentagon. Let the Weather Channel do it...

I guess everyone thinks the United States has money to burn?

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Nonsense like this is why I describe myself as a borderline libertarian... how could anyone think that warning people to get the fuck out of the way of a hurricane is NOT a legitimate function of government.

Absolutism ("one size fits all") is the enemy of free thinking. When a philosophy (flexible, new facts are considered, the philosophy is adjusted if necessary) becomes absolutist it is no longer a philosophy. It has become an ideology (inflexible, new "facts" are wrong, the ideology is always right)... and all ideologies are dangerous.




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