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LiveByYourNature -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/2/2011 10:10:12 PM)

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The majority of "Christians" have it all wrong.

Very true, in that the majority of people have it all wrong, and, some of them are Christians.
There are two different ways the rod is spoken of, in the Bible.One is little known, almost never quoted, and, seems to be about the use of corporal punishment being used if necessary. However "spare the rod, spoil the child" is not about beating children at all. It is about making them live up to certain standards. It is the MEASURING rod, not the beating children rod.
And, there is plenty of evidence that there was a torture stake, that torture stake is the correct translation of it, and, that Jesus existed. There is far more proof that Jesus existed and that he is the Son of God, then there is that you exist, at all. Even Descartes wouldn't believe you existed, since, apparently, you waste your time making posts on forums, which prove nothing of your points and everything about your willful non-thinking ways.

I had many fine acquaintances who were out and out Satan worshipers, who knew more about Jesus and the history of the world than you do. They were quite sure he existed, the manner of his death, etc. Atheists too .. they didn't believe he was the Son of God, but, they could tell you the year he became the Messiah.

I know it's a tricky thing, this studying about Jesus, because, you might accidentally learn something, come to know him as a person, come to respect him and his Apostles, come to see the difference between wolves in sheep's clothing and the real sheep. You might even find it makes sense and find yourself being one of those people that you currently despise. But, trust me, if it happens, you won't mind it a bit, except for the shameful memories of your past actions.

And, what the hey! Why not gamble? It's not like it's against your religion, is it? And, as you point out, most people who call themselves Christians do have it wrong, so if they are having so much trouble, you can pretty well rest assured it won't even make a dent in your ignorance. xx



tazzygirl -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/2/2011 10:11:03 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

Children do need correction and training. When a person hits a child, there is no way of ever knowing whether an alternative method of chastisement would have produced the same plausible results.


Do you have proof that an alternate method would have with my son?

You statement indicates you know all the methods I employed while raising my son.

Please, do enlighten me on all the methods I did and did not utilize.



tolovetolaugh -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/2/2011 10:14:24 PM)

Good God.
I am not the biggest fan of religion, and phrased a different way I might have no problem or opinion really on what you are saying.

But you are really offensive, and I hope your point is to discredit what you are saying, because I just want to argue with you based on your idiotic tone


I know a woman whose son slapped her in the face, she slapped him right back and when he started crying, she asked if it hurt. He said yes and she explained it hurt mommy when he did it as well.

Personally I see that as helping him become a better person.



HannahLynHeather -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/2/2011 11:19:32 PM)

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There are two different ways the rod is spoken of, in the Bible.One is little known, almost never quoted, and, seems to be about the use of corporal punishment being used if necessary. However "spare the rod, spoil the child" is not about beating children at all. It is about making them live up to certain standards. It is the MEASURING rod, not the beating children rod.
bullshit. "spare the rod, spoil the child" isn't even in the fucking bible.
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And, there is plenty of evidence that there was a torture stake, that torture stake is the correct translation of it, and, that Jesus existed. There is far more proof that Jesus existed and that he is the Son of God, then there is that you exist, at all.
bull fucking shit, there isn't a scrap of such evidence.
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I had many fine acquaintances who were out and out Satan worshipers, who knew more about Jesus and the history of the world than you do. They were quite sure he existed, the manner of his death, etc. Atheists too .. they didn't believe he was the Son of God, but, they could tell you the year he became the Messiah.
they were fucking idiots



Kaliko -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 2:49:33 AM)

NM. Covered already.



Politesub53 -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 3:10:28 AM)

I am not religious, but never get why people start threads knocking someones belief. If ones belief help someone get through life, then as long as it doesnt infringe on others, so be it.



DeviantlyD -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 3:20:24 AM)


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ORIGINAL: TheRaptorJesus

The cake is a lie.


*perks* Cake? Where!!!!!!!??



StrangerThan -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 5:14:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

Oh, so when the bum asks you to "spare a dime," he's asking you to withhold it? Thanks for clearing that up.

I have no idea about, and have not read any story about an adopted girl, or know about any couple of freaks.

Your method of punishing a child with spanking is very creative. Does it work on little puppies too?



Her method? Of all the things she did in life with her child, all the times she cared for him when he was sick, all the ball games, the visits to school, the times sitting on the couch talking, the times when the love for him was strong enough to stand against the world with him, all the stuff I could spend hours writing about and still not cover them all... is that the method you're referring to or is it just the spanking thing that is her method?

I spanked my kids too, with my hand. Both daughters got maybe 2, maybe 3 total. If you want a difference, I'd put it in the quality time column. We had lots of it, as opposed to parents who spent ungodly amounts of time dealing with kicking, screaming, and defiant children, trying to reason them into doing what they needed or wanted them to do.

The idea, ace is not to spank children. It is to guide a child through all the ups and downs of life, to give them the best foot forward in what is an increasingly difficult landscape in terms of life and employment, to teach them that actions do carry consequences, and to never let them wonder or guess that you love them.

It's not an exact science. You do the best you can do and sounds like her method worked pretty damned well.






thishereboi -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 7:52:48 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Politesub53

I am not religious, but never get why people start threads knocking someones belief. If ones belief help someone get through life, then as long as it doesnt infringe on others, so be it.


Is that what he is doing? I wasn't sure if that was his angle or if he was just pissed off because someone spanked their kid. Kinda hard to tell with some of his responses. Maybe his mom used to beat him with a bible when he was young.



MileHighM -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 8:31:15 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Alphascendant

Children do need correction and training. When a person hits a child, there is no way of ever knowing whether an alternative method of chastisement would have produced the same plausible results.


The problem is there is no one way to raise all children. My parents spanked the shit out of me cause if they didn't I raised hell. They didn't spank my sister, because if you looked at her wrong she would start crying and cower. Trust me there is ways of knowing, if you experiment. Each child is unique, and require different motivations and corrections. You saying you can't hit kids is as bad as saying you have to hit kids.

The problem with you logic is I could say this the other way around: "When a person uses an alternative method of chastisement, there is no way of knowing whether hitting a child would have produced the same plausible results" Mealy mouth relativistic logic always fails because the arguement can be made in reverse everytime.



Arpig -> RE: There Was No Cross, Nor Torture Stake. (9/3/2011 8:49:14 AM)

~FR~
I believe, and raised my kids with the firm understanding that it does no harm to spank a child. If I recall correctly my daughter received 1 spanking (though it may have been 2), my eldest son none, and my youngest son also 1 spanking.

A spanking was to us, the ultimate level of punishment. There had to be that some one thing where they didn't want to go.



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