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DomKen -> An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 9:43:24 PM)

A recently retired GOP Congressional staffer has a few things to say.
http://www.truth-out.org/goodbye-all-reflections-gop-operative-who-left-cult/1314907779




Kirata -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:03:27 PM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

A recently retired GOP Congressional staffer has a few things to say.

Helluva good piece... thanks for the link.

K.




TheHeretic -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:03:29 PM)

This should get him some nice part time work as a commentator on MSNBC...




Hippiekinkster -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:08:02 PM)

Brilliant.

And thank you for starting a topic that isn't the usual drivel.




DeviantlyD -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:32:23 PM)

I haven't read it all yet, but wow. So far what I have read has been very well written.




joether -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:36:52 PM)

WOW! That's a pretty indepth read. Should be something every American must read and understand.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:43:17 PM)

Better written than the usual truthout tripe. That doesnt make it any less an ideological hatchet job devoid of facts. Everything he says about the GOP can be said about the donkeys, in spades.




MrRodgers -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:47:48 PM)

Yes, great essay. The rightwingers won't read it. That's because they can't shoot the messenger...he's a GOP career operative. Can't go after the website, so they are fucked.

It isn't like there aren't millions who know this and have known this but the problem is the mass media are cowards and scared for their sacred 4th estate empire and the profits that keep coming in. They will never spread 'this word.'

It all fits Lincoln's dire warning about the corporation, banking...what he called, the money centers. Adapting: 'They will have your children grow up bankrupt in the country their fathers founded.'




willbeurdaddy -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 10:51:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

he's a GOP career operative.


ROFL So he was a career hypocrite, not at all unusual for libtards.




Termyn8or -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/3/2011 11:05:25 PM)

FR

Doesn't matter anyway. True, oh yes, both parties are fucking scumbags, but no solutions or even suggestions.

Thanks Ken, I hope this gets people to wake up, but I am not holding my breath.

T^T




DomKen -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 6:06:36 AM)

I didn't expect any self reflection from our cons but I was hoping...




StrangerThan -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 6:22:46 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen

I didn't expect any self reflection from our cons but I was hoping...


It's a good piece, and highlights the fact that neither side has the answers for the country. I haven't voted Republican in 12 years. I quit following party politics when it became clear that neither side cared about me or the country - and honestly the party I quit was the Democratic party.






hot4bondage -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 7:37:39 AM)

In summary, Republicans are nuts, Democrats are cowards, and yet the author ends his diatribe with a swipe at Ron Paul. In one paragraph, he claims to want more bipartisanship. In another, he reminds us of the hell unleashed by the post-9/11 bipartisanship. We also wouldn't have imprisoned more of our own people than ANY OTHER COUNTRY without bipartisanship. Same goes for the interventionist wars and the corporate bailouts. If not for the conclusion, and DomKen's obvious hatred of the man, I might have thought this guy was stumping for Ron Paul.




TheHeretic -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 9:04:34 AM)

Those familiar with my posts, and the views I express here will already know of my thoughts regarding the "lifer" public employee class, how the mentality becomes institutionalized, the status quo becomes the one true way, and the methodology becomes more important than the mission ("You can't do anything, until you've had an approval on the 27b\6").  We wind up with deadwood, anchoring a chair, punching the clock for paycheck and pension, having long ago lost any perspective on just who it is they work for. 

For all his philosophical outrage, the author does eventually tell the truth about why he really took his retirement, and presumably why he has written this in the style he has chosen (see my earlier post in the thread).  While he may have worked in the GOP division of the paperwork production offices of Capitol Hill, I don't see much conservatism in the framing of his views, either

While I certainly agree with Mr. Lofgren on the incompetence of the Democrats, there are a few things I think are worth questioning, and disagreeing with.

He starts with the fight over the debt ceiling, and finds it scandalous that the Congress has done this 87 times since WWII, without a ripple, but this time it was an issue.  Just how deep in the bowels of the system must he have been to see 63 seats change hands, yet have no understanding that the crazy spending and debt was a key element driving that wave? 

He laments how "Obamacare," has become a pejorative term to attack an unpopular policy, and uses that as an example of the awful tactics the Republicans use to demonize the opposition.  Given that he is budget guy, whose career would have started during Reagan's first term, why is his criticism not tempered by how the Democrats used "Reaganomics" in precisely the same way, and continue doing so to this day?

He claims there are only three real planks of Republicans, and that the rest is just window dressing.

First, that the Republicans care only about the interests of the rich.  No.  If we want to view things that way, we would have to say that the Repubs care only about the interests of the working rich, the ones still out there producing, building and manufacting, while the Dems only look at the cares and hobbies of the old money and idle rich, the limousine liberals, who step over the homeless man, and quiet the guilt by thinking, "there ought to be a government program."  Yes, the horror of Republicans wanting the tax rates low for everyone, while the Democrats prefer the loophole, the subsidy, the bailout, the waiver, and the bad half-billion dollar loan, only to those they deem worthy.

He claims the second true plank is national defense, and laments the cronyism, corruption and waste.  I can go along with that.  Again though, in his description of Republicans as crazy hawks, he neglects to note the Mars worship of an administration which contends that assassination and war by remote control is an exclusive prerogative of the President. 

I think my biggest disagreement with him is when he places the religion thing as a "true article" of Repub belief.  That is the centerpiece of the meaningless window dressing, and the record tells the tale.  However strong a lure it might be for the theocratically minded voters, the courts aren't going to let God's flag fly.  Republicans have been in the White House, in part by reaching out to those voters, for 20 of the last 30 years and the abortion fight centers around the most repulsive late-term procedures, and what we do with the leftover bits.  In that time, we have progressed from Texas locking people up for sodomy, to being snotty about gay divorce.  I don't especially care for the fundie wing of the party (and I make them nervous [:D]) but it is easy to comfort myself by whispering at them, under my breath, "suckers."

An interesting read, Ken, but nothing mandatory here.  He did a nice job of catching all the Dem talking points of the day, as he tries to move from the bureaucratic class, to the chattering class.




DomKen -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:16:36 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
He starts with the fight over the debt ceiling, and finds it scandalous that the Congress has done this 87 times since WWII, without a ripple, but this time it was an issue.  Just how deep in the bowels of the system must he have been to see 63 seats change hands, yet have no understanding that the crazy spending and debt was a key element driving that wave? 

You missed his biggest point about this, which is crucial to your failure to understand what is so deeply wrong with your party.
quote:

Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.




Sanity -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:22:22 AM)


Whatever happened your teary eyed goodbye to all of us

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3831139

We already have the party planned and everything

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Yes, great essay. The rightwingers won't read it. That's because they can't shoot the messenger...he's a GOP career operative. Can't go after the website, so they are fucked.

It isn't like there aren't millions who know this and have known this but the problem is the mass media are cowards and scared for their sacred 4th estate empire and the profits that keep coming in. They will never spread 'this word.'

It all fits Lincoln's dire warning about the corporation, banking...what he called, the money centers. Adapting: 'They will have your children grow up bankrupt in the country their fathers founded.'




willbeurdaddy -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:24:13 AM)


quote:

ORIGINAL: DomKen


quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
He starts with the fight over the debt ceiling, and finds it scandalous that the Congress has done this 87 times since WWII, without a ripple, but this time it was an issue.  Just how deep in the bowels of the system must he have been to see 63 seats change hands, yet have no understanding that the crazy spending and debt was a key element driving that wave? 

You missed his biggest point about this, which is crucial to your failure to understand what is so deeply wrong with your party.
quote:

Their caterwauling about deficit and debt is so much eyewash to con the public. Whatever else President Obama has accomplished (and many of his purported accomplishments are highly suspect), his $4-trillion deficit reduction package did perform the useful service of smoking out Republican hypocrisy. The GOP refused, because it could not abide so much as a one-tenth of one percent increase on the tax rates of the Walton family or the Koch brothers, much less a repeal of the carried interest rule that permits billionaire hedge fund managers to pay income tax at a lower effective rate than cops or nurses. Republicans finally settled on a deal that had far less deficit reduction - and even less spending reduction! - than Obama's offer, because of their iron resolution to protect at all costs our society's overclass.




Of course it is what is RIGHT about today's GOP, not wrong. And he either obfuscates or doesnt understand the "billionaire hedge fund manager" taxation debate. Which it is becomes pretty obvious when he uses that descriptor.




willbeurdaddy -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:25:30 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sanity


Whatever happened o your teary eyed goodbye to all of us

http://www.collarchat.com/fb.asp?m=3831139

We already have the party planned and everything

quote:

ORIGINAL: MrRodgers

Yes, great essay. The rightwingers won't read it. That's because they can't shoot the messenger...he's a GOP career operative. Can't go after the website, so they are fucked.

It isn't like there aren't millions who know this and have known this but the problem is the mass media are cowards and scared for their sacred 4th estate empire and the profits that keep coming in. They will never spread 'this word.'

It all fits Lincoln's dire warning about the corporation, banking...what he called, the money centers. Adapting: 'They will have your children grow up bankrupt in the country their fathers founded.'



Fitting that a hypocrite would show up in a thread about an article written by a hypocrite. (And btw, TheHeretic...POTY. I no longer have the patience to deal with articles written by the Democrat equivalent of the Sufi's point by point, they are deaf to them anyway, as KenDoll's response shows. Kudos.)




Lucylastic -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:28:16 AM)

I guess what they say is true, it takes one to know one.
Thankyou for the OP:)




joether -> RE: An essay everyone should read (9/4/2011 10:35:34 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: TheHeretic
(all of post #13)


I'll take a career republican operative's words of warning a bit more seriously and less judgemental if I were you. Your attempt to undermine his message is equally quite pathetic. That guy is really angered that the 'conservative philosophy' had mutated into something whole unnatural and unhealth for the country. Yes, he does take swipes at the Democrats, and us liberals should be angery at them for the stuff they have done. I can put money down on the table that I hold Democrats to far more responsibility and accountibility than any of you hold towards Republicans. I'm annoyed my President spends so much time trying to be bi-partisan towards a group that hates anything and everything about America!

You, willbe, ABM, Sanity (not to mention others) seem to attack the messenger because if its destroyed or undermined, you wont have to read the message for what it is. And your becoming ever more frustrated that you can not do that. That guy has more credibility than all of you put together. Once upon a time, the conservative philosophy had its merits. They had principles, ideals, and compassion for their nation. All that has been mutated into something far less noble and trusted. The 'conservative idealogy' is extremely dangerous to the nation's long term health. Why do you have so much trouble understanding that?

The sad thing is....I dont even expect a real answer out of any of you. You'll either A) Ignore what I've written or B) Attack it with total venom. Either way, you prove the guy correct.




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