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SimplyMichael -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 7:44:28 PM)

There used to be some amazing people who posted on CM, authors like John Warren who wrote one of the better het kink books used to post here all the time, people who are well known national presenters like Archer & Elegant were constant posters. Dear friends of mine like MercnBeth who are so outragious, I was in a gay bar a while back, one that usually has hard core gay porn on one screen and something lighter on another and it was a feature of highlights from Folsom Street fair and low and behold, they had a long segment featuring MercnBeth. If you don't know, Folsom Street fair is this month in SF and about 300,000 perverts decend on 10 blocks and we have a giant sex party in the streets.

Anyway, those people left because of moderation that allowed nitwits to undermine threads...and it clearly has only gotten worse.




M4S73R -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 7:50:22 PM)

The downside to non pay sites.
Heather, I like the posts. well said.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 7:59:35 PM)

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In other words, you want to complain but not do anything positive.


I'm planting the seeds, hopefully somebody sprinkles some water. 

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I can't say how many do it.  I know I do it for topics that are a bit more complicated.  The reason for this is that a forum isn't the best venue to attempt to go too in depth about certain types of play.  Frankly, I do trust some members of the forum to conduct their play safely because I know they are already familiar with similar types, so I don't have the same concerns.


Bullshit: how can a topic related to that type of play be "too in depth?"  What are you going to teach me how to do the Old Guard handshake?  Do the Safety Word Dance?  You could easily explain it in that topic yet never do.  It is always, "My inbox is open, send a message."  Is this some sort of bizarre ego-stroke of having someone seek you out like you're the Grand Vizier of Bloodplay/Knifeplay/whateverplay? 


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The use of the forums isn't why all people join this site.  From what I've read about certain other social sites, only a small fraction of members use the forums in comparison to the total number.  Alt was a pretty good example of this.  They had forums, too, but they were rarely used.


There are many forums out there that actually serve their purpose and help whatever the case may be.  It could be a vanilla dating website such as Plenty of Fish, it could be a fitness website, a website about having long hair, a website for mixing drinks, a website for video-games, a website for cutting meat.  Obviously I am not a regular to those sites, but I would wager that those I have used in the past to seek an answer have always kept the "General *Whatever*" sub-forum to actually being on-topic and a helpful place that in the end increases interest to go back there again.  I don't understand how you cannot grasp that.

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Out of curiosity, how many Intro threads have you responded to in hopes of making folks feel welcome around the place?


The same amount of times you have attempted to turn the argument into a personal attack on me.  Stay on track.


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Which is basically the same thing as directing folks to the search feature, with the exception *I'm* not willing to do the research for them.  If a person says that they've used the search feature or couldn't find something flipping through the first few pages of a forum, I'm more likely to attempt to help, because they have tried a little effort on their part.


So someone in your position isn't obligated to answer a question that they may know because the Search feature should be the one-stop solution?  Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like you're denying any possible stimulating discussion from taking place that would actually teach as well as enlighten others that happen by it. 

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Different matter.  If I know that My thoughts have stayed the same, or I still think that a book that I've referenced is still the one that I'd go to, there's no real need for Me to add to the content of a prior post.  If other people have changed their minds on a certain kind of play (and that definitely has happened for some posters here) then they most likely wouldn't reference their prior post in the first place.


Which is why the repeating of questions is not just a waste of bandwidth as most are quick to dismiss.  It can be good to have a fresh perspective by someone that held a different one before.  If I was to use the Search option and see that LadyPact from 2005 said that Knifeplay was too dumb/dangerous to try and some others agreed, I wouldn't bother making the topic on my curiosity concerning it at all (obviously you never said that, it was an example). 

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I think the more direct point is that you don't make contributions on the things you *do* know.  Until you start doing that, you honestly don't have a leg to stand on to complain about the way anybody else answers these boards.  Even on this thread, you haven't said anything about how you perceived the book, what parts you felt were helpful, or any reason that you might personally dislike the book.  Instead, you've been trying to give people crap about their weight or their age.


Think logically for a moment:

What about that electro-play topic I referenced in my previous post do people remember most?  That one of the regulars here threw a little hissy-fit and the actual question was largely ignored save for a few odd posts.  The problem is that you have to sift through all the stuff unrelated to get to anything that holds any kind of merit.  The more this stuff happens, the less and less legitimate participation occurs. 

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Oddly enough, there are posters on the boards that are exactly your age who don't have that problem.  The reason they don't is because of the content of their posts.


They also tell people to go kill themselves.  What great content. 

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Let's clear something up right now.  You have *never* seen Me say that you were homosexual.  I have said that I've seen some moments that have led Me to believe that you could bottom as well as top or take a submissive role in a dynamic rather than a Dominant one.  That's not supposed to be a bad thing.  It means I could see you exploring those ventures.


To deviate slightly, what were those moments? 

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The times I've said you were a douchecanoe is most likely because you were being one at the time.  You're a little late in the game to try to convince anyone that you're all goodness and light.


Oh I'll be the first to admit I have my moments but they are more apparent due to how this place operates.  It might as well be a warzone or a circus.  If somebody has an issue with me I invite them to mail me about it but they have to impress the gallery.  Hold on - gotta watch an episode of South Park before I go on my insulting spree. 

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If you want My opinion, I think folks can craft such thread topics so that it doesn't come across that way.  You can write.  I've seen you do it. 


It's not just about me, but it is about the average Joe/Jane that comes by and maybe they aren't very good at typing or whatever.  Does that make their question any less relevant than if I was to type it out?  Christ, it's like watching a teacher's lounge find out they won't be getting that new couch. 

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I don't think the forums were intended to do what you seem to think they were.  I couldn't even make a projection about if a person comes along and asks people to tell them everything they know about wax play how well that would go over.  Frankly, I've got a number of posts out there on the subject, but I'm most likely not going to sit and type one reply that includes all of it.  If I was willing to put that much effort into it all in one shot, I'd just write a book Myself.


A post relating to wax-play that is helpful is much more worthwhile than one without.  I believe the original intentions of these forums were to make certain discussions occur in certain sub-forums.  Otherwise we may as well just have one gargantuan OT festival. 

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That's your own interpretation.  You've mentioned a couple of times on this thread that there are subjects you don't know about.  Maybe you're just not looking at the bigger picture.


The bigger picture is that I have to kiss a lot of ass.  That is another subject I don't know how to do. 




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:16:22 PM)

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No I didn't at all, if you weren't such an arrogant self-absorbed cry-baby you would be able to extrapolate. Who was it who recommended those books and websites? Experienced people who know what they are doing, that's who.


Something that even I could have told you without having any "experience."  You go girl.



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I was going to buy the book in question, but I don't think I will now, after reading the on-topic replies, I don't think it would be of much use to me. So the site has done something that Google couldn't, namely given me reviews of the book by experienced people who's opinions on things BDSM related I have learned to respect over a period of time, rather than customer reviews by random people who's knowledge of the subject matter I know nothing about.


You could not have researched it yourself, read an outline, looked into one of the many reviews out there and make the decision yourself? 

How narrow-minded.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:20:45 PM)

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ORIGINAL: SimplyMichael

There used to be some amazing people who posted on CM, authors like John Warren who wrote one of the better het kink books used to post here all the time, people who are well known national presenters like Archer & Elegant were constant posters. Dear friends of mine like MercnBeth who are so outragious, I was in a gay bar a while back, one that usually has hard core gay porn on one screen and something lighter on another and it was a feature of highlights from Folsom Street fair and low and behold, they had a long segment featuring MercnBeth. If you don't know, Folsom Street fair is this month in SF and about 300,000 perverts decend on 10 blocks and we have a giant sex party in the streets.

Anyway, those people left because of moderation that allowed nitwits to undermine threads...and it clearly has only gotten worse.


Don't be so coy, Michael.  It's easy to eliminate a trouble-maker or two by just banning them.  The problem was that the inmates began to run the asylum.  Now you have high school without the hot cheerleaders.




anniezz338 -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:23:20 PM)

NS

Dammit, quit doing what you advocate against! Lighten up. There's been some good thoughts given, yes, including your own. Not everyone has to agree. We don't live in China.




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:31:54 PM)

Well in your quest to be right in all matters you have completely missed the entire point of what I said.

It's clear that you are still butt hurt over getting moderated at the beginning of the summer and you are now on some personal crusade to trash the regular posters and advocate reforming the forums without doing anything beyond trollish whining. You say you are 22, well here's a suggestion: act it.

That is the ugly truth, and it was brought to you by a much more beautiful messenger. [:)]





NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:34:42 PM)

If you don't agree that the kinky forums should have more discussion on kinks then what the fuck are you doing here?




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:36:11 PM)

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It's clear that you are still butt hurt over getting moderated at the beginning of the summer and you are now on some personal crusade to trash the regular posters and advocate reforming the forums without doing anything beyond trollish whining. You say you are 22, well here's a suggestion: act it.


Any more strawmans, Fiddlesticks?




Arpig -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:49:04 PM)

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If you don't agree that the kinky forums should have more discussion on kinks then what the fuck are you doing here?
One might ask the same thing of you. Just how many of your roughly 3000 posts have had anything to do with kink?




anniezz338 -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:51:42 PM)

Because my down arrow key works.

Jewels can be found but not if your concentrating on the dirt. Just move it to the side to get it out of the way.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:55:41 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

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If you don't agree that the kinky forums should have more discussion on kinks then what the fuck are you doing here?
One might ask the same thing of you. Just how many of your roughly 3000 posts have had anything to do with kink?


*Didn't read the last few pages.*






HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 8:59:09 PM)

No, wrong again. You didn't discuss kink, all you did was complain that we don't. And in the process you disrupted others' attempt to discuss a question relevant to things kinky.

You should have started a thread to discuss your complaints down in Off Topic, and let the rest of us discuss the book in this thread.





NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:26:26 PM)

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ORIGINAL: HeatherMcLeather

No, wrong again. You didn't discuss kink, all you did was complain that we don't. And in the process you disrupted others' attempt to discuss a question relevant to things kinky.

You should have started a thread to discuss your complaints down in Off Topic, and let the rest of us discuss the book in this thread.




Uh, discussing the lack of legitimate discussions in this forum will actually improve my likeliness to participate.  Even by this topic, all what this is is simply a bunch of opinions about a book clashing together that was going to spawn a debate one way or the other about the book itself and little to zero about anything kinky.

Let me play Ms. Cleo and predict that we would have had Awareness argue with whomever and maybe a couple other people for a few pages that would have resulted in some white-knighting and a possible moderation. 

So excuse me for interrupting the same old shit to present the glaring issue as to why this place is turning into a deadpool.






HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:39:01 PM)

There is a thread on this very topic where you have already posted, so say thanks to Pam for starting it <there seems to be some unfathomable reason you are unable to do so yourself> and take the discussion there.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:43:30 PM)

Because this isn't just a "random snippet" as much as it is an issue that slowly, more people are beginning to awaken to.  Even on that thread it was said by a few posters that the discussions here might as well be non-existant. 

You may not like the person that actually brought it to light, but it doesn't relinquish the truth in it. 




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:45:46 PM)

Yes dear.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:46:59 PM)

Oh you. *Blush*




HeatherMcLeather -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 9:50:22 PM)

BTW, I really do like the new avatar. It's much better than the previous one.




NocturnalStalker -> RE: Screw the Roses.... (9/7/2011 10:03:36 PM)

It turns me gay.




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