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IrishMist -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 3:34:11 PM)

~FR~

Personally, I could give a flying fuck if the person next to me wants to have protected or non-protected sex. It's none of my business; nor is it their business if I choose to do the same. There are only 4 other people on this earth who I have the right to push my opinions on, and vice versa...everyone else can take their ideas, beliefs, and preachings and go fuck themselves.

The OP chooses to be one who lectures and preaches. Good for her/him.
I choose to dismiss her/his words as something that I consider to be none of her/his business.

All of us have our way of doing/handling things. Our decisions are based on our own awareness of the dangers. (anyone who claims to be unaware...all I can say is that stupidity has it's own price to pay). Each to their own. Our own lives; our own responsibility.



Kaliko -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 6:33:14 PM)


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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

What do you think is a safe waiting time? What I wrote above (sorry thought of this after posting) is what could happen if testing is relatively soon after having sex. What about those who don't get tested when they become symptomatic? To me it's not worth it so guess what. Any new partner is wearing a condom or we ain't having sex.



Safe waiting time = six months monogamy.

Disclaimer: I haven't met anybody I really feel like I absolutely have to fuck lately. Everything I've written could go right out the window, I suppose....Never say never.



xCallMeSirx -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 7:50:08 PM)

I choose low risk partners and have high risk sex, raw dawg!!



NocturnalStalker -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 8:19:25 PM)

My plan is that in the event I ever get horribly mangled in a car-wreck or any other tragedy befalls me then I will be undesirable.

To counter this, I have formed an idea that is unable to fail me.  I will have unprotected sexual actions with those females I deem good enough to be worthy of my physical prowess and if one were to be impregnated then she must stay with me regardless of her true altering feelings for the sanctity of the kid's sanity.  Because I have a magnetic personality, the boy (girls are sold to Japan) will take a fierce liking to me and will close off any attempts to replace me as the father figure should the wife plan to sneak off. 

Then he will be groomed as my heir and when I become old and decrepit, technology and science will have evolved to allow me to not only reap the benefits of his youth for my own but also place me into a cryogenic chamber to preserve my body.  Should my limbs have been lost, they will be replaced by cybernetic enhancements that mask as real limbs yet have superior reflexes that are akin to some sort of bizarre lynx/viper hybrid.  When I awake in the year 2120, megacorps will cease the world and with my charm will rise up to being the CEO of the most prominent one and send the world into a dystopia.  At which point I will be assassinated by my right-hand man and my reign of global terror will meet an end. 

Pretty genius, huh?



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 9:51:32 PM)

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Other than your post being more of a PSA, I'm not sure your point.  Telling everyone to condom-up?  People will or they won't, and as has been said, it takes two.

I've had unprotected sex in some circumstances and protected sex in others, I get tested regularly, and I'm ok with our sex practices.

I don't really buy into the whole "If you've had sex with one person you've had sex with everyone they've slept with" notion, which I've been hearing forever.  I'm having sex with Person A.  If Person A is an STD carrier, then I'm at risk.  If Person A is NOT carrying an STD, then whoever they've fucked in the past is of no consequence to me.  Whatever fluids have entered their body are long gone by now and it really doesn't matter.  Daddy has had a LOT of sex in his life, but he's not an STD carrier, so what do I care about those who came before me?  I've had my own share of sex in my life, but since I'm not an STD carrier, what does he care about those who came before him?



But isn't that kind of the point? I think the statement has more to do with people who haven't reached the stage that you are at.

If you know you have no STD's, and you know your partner has no STD's, then yes, whoever both of you had relations with in the past is of no further consequence. The statement, though, has to do more with how well you think you know someone and the fact that you "know" they don't have an STD. First of all, of course, nobody "knows" that, and second, you're not only playing guessing games about the person in front of you, but about all the people that person has been with that you will never meet, and all the people that those people have been with, etc.

If you're at the point where you know your partner and you are STD-free, then yes...it's no longer an issue.



Keep in mind that many viruses will and do lay dormant before they flare up and be detected in an panel of tests for STDs. Hep C can lie dormant and undetected for several years, same goes for HPV.



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 9:54:53 PM)

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ORIGINAL: IrishMist

~FR~

.....All of us have our way of doing/handling things. Our decisions are based on our own awareness of the dangers. (anyone who claims to be unaware...all I can say is that stupidity has it's own price to pay). Each to their own. Our own lives; our own responsibility.


Exactly.



MasterSlaveLA -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 10:29:48 PM)

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ORIGINAL: zephyroftheNorth

What do you think is a safe waiting time? What I wrote above (sorry thought of this after posting) is what could happen if testing is relatively soon after having sex. What about those who don't get tested when they become symptomatic? To me it's not worth it so guess what. Any new partner is wearing a condom or we ain't having sex.



Safe waiting time = six months monogamy.

Disclaimer: I haven't met anybody I really feel like I absolutely have to fuck lately. Everything I've written could go right out the window, I suppose....Never say never.



Personally, I wouldn't need to wait 6 months, but I'd viewed things similar to you, Kaliko, in that unless there was an established, monogamous relationship in place, then sex didn't enter the picture.  [:)]




sunshinemiss -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/5/2011 10:58:48 PM)

I have told lovers to presume I have AIDS and herpes and to act accordingly.  Is it true?  Maybe.



zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 3:20:31 AM)

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Keep in mind that many viruses will and do lay dormant before they flare up and be detected in an panel of tests for STDs. Hep C can lie dormant and undetected for several years, same goes for HPV


Thank you Bear. That was exactly what I was pointing out to those who say that it's not true we are having sex not only with our partner but everyone they had sex with etc. Hence the need to use condoms.



gorgeoushair -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 3:26:29 AM)

@ LanceHughs

Thanks for your response.  Would love to see the most recent science studies (more than one) on that, since I have read that unprotected oral sex, although not as risky as vaginal or anal penetration, is still risky.  Further, how does anyone know whether or not they have a tiny wound in their mouth?  Thanks. [8|]



sunshinemiss -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 3:32:39 AM)


Here you go.



gorgeoushair -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 3:34:07 AM)

@ IrishMist --

Thank you for your response.  Not merely "preaching" here.  Have had personal experience with such men.  By this thread, i hope to at least raise some awareness.  Yes, each person is responsible for his or her choices and the risk of disease and death he or she will take.  I hope that they do not choose to be dangerous to others.



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 4:05:00 AM)

The only truly safe sex is sex with a partner, or partners, you trust absolutely. (JMO, YMMV)

As for the OP's desire to "raise awareness," this board is comprised of adults, though she's treating us as if we were teens in some high school hygiene class. Fortunately, the dichotomy doesn't really change: the careful ones will be careful, the risk takers will take risks.

I've been a risk taker my entire life, and had only one sexually transmitted disease: a minor case of the crabs when I was about 19.

Welcome to TMI in the morning.

Helpful Chatte






zephyroftheNorth -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 4:17:59 AM)

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The only truly safe sex is sex with a partner, or partners, you trust absolutely. (JMO, YMMV)


Well no. I've trusted partners who turned out to not be quite so trustworthy. IMO condom use is better but of course to each their own.



givemyall -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 4:23:33 AM)

I took terrible risks when I was younger and thought that I was one of the lucky ones, until I had a ruptured ectopic pregnancy 17 years ago that left me on life support for a while - turns out that I had caught clamydia, it had gone undetected and had completely screwed up my fallopian tubes. I paid a price and I learnt a lesson and im sure I passed it on to lots of other people who have then passed it on to lots of other people.......... I guess there maybe a few of us that have been taught a lesson!



ChatteParfaitt -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 5:40:15 AM)

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The only truly safe sex is sex with a partner, or partners, you trust absolutely. (JMO, YMMV)


Well no. I've trusted partners who turned out to not be quite so trustworthy. IMO condom use is better but of course to each their own.


Well, I could amend my statement to say: The only truly safe sex is with a partner, or partners, you trust absolutely and who warrant that trust.

But I won't, b/c let's face it, trust is, to a certain extent, a leap of faith. No one knows for sure they can trust someone, since there is always the possibility they could be wrong. In my own relationship(s) I see the foundation of trust we have built, and say: "I trust absolutely, with the understanding the probability of that trust being warranted is very high, although I have to (of course) acknowledge the possibility that I could be wrong."

The thing is, just about anything (in my world at least) is possible. It might not be probable in the least, but it's possible. So, like most people, I base my trust decisions on "high probability."

If you want absolutes, join the fundamentalist religious or political group of your choice.



kalikshama -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 7:40:34 AM)

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If a woman wants him to wear a condom, but he does not want to...nine times out of ten, she will give in and have unprotected sex.


Not me or my friends. Where'd you get your stats?

Despite the below article making the news frequently, when I lived near Miami I was astonished by potential new partners who blithely planned to fuck me bareback. One considered a request to wear a condom to be an "insult" to him. (We didn't fuck.) Note - these were single 30 somethings, not the older, married cheaters used to going bareback mentioned earlier in the thread.

Miami Area Ranks No. 1 for AIDS Cases

Among all of those who were infected, about half were unaware of their HIV status. Results were particularly alarming for black MSM and young MSM. More than two-thirds of infected black MSM and nearly 80 percent of infected MSM aged 18–24 were unaware that they were infected.



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 9:47:37 AM)

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ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

The only truly safe sex is sex with a partner, or partners, you trust absolutely. (JMO, YMMV)

As for the OP's desire to "raise awareness," this board is comprised of adults, though she's treating us as if we were teens in some high school hygiene class. Fortunately, the dichotomy doesn't really change: the careful ones will be careful, the risk takers will take risks.

I've been a risk taker my entire life, and had only one sexually transmitted disease: a minor case of the crabs when I was about 19.

Welcome to TMI in the morning.

Helpful Chatte




Well said. What I have found over the years and ensuring that I stay well informed of new data concerning STDs is the fact that we adults have to make informed decisions that apply to ourselves and avoid dictating what is right or wrong for others. We are the only ones who are ultimately responsible for our health status and secondly, ensuring that we are not the cause to endangering our partner's health.

We can preach until we are blue in the face about risks while engaging in unprotected sex, yet it still boils down to the individual themselves deciding what risks are acceptable and which are not acceptable for them self only. All we can do as individuals is to determine if the level of risk is acceptable or not and then conduct ourselves accordingly as long as we have the right information.



Wolf2Bear -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (9/6/2011 9:50:04 AM)

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ORIGINAL: gorgeoushair

@ LanceHughs

Thanks for your response.  Would love to see the most recent science studies (more than one) on that, since I have read that unprotected oral sex, although not as risky as vaginal or anal penetration, is still risky.  Further, how does anyone know whether or not they have a tiny wound in their mouth?  Thanks. [8|]


The easiest way is to bite on a lemon wedge. If there is a small cut on the gums, that area will sting, otherwise you will just taste the sourness of the juices.It's my opinion that if you want current and accurate info/data is to either read the latest studies published by a national centre for disease control and/or the local agency which deals with HIV/AIDS.



kfaith88 -> RE: Safe Sex -- Does Anyone NOT Practice It? (1/3/2012 10:11:10 PM)

Honestly, if a guy didn't want to use a condomn, or was insulted that I insisted on one, that tells me all I need to know. I live in the real world, and there is noo way to tell if someone is 'clean' other than testing. So I need a condom, and your health card please :)



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