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MileHighM -> RE: 5 Kicked Out and 3 Arrested at Paul Ryan Town Hall For Asking Questions (9/7/2011 1:27:23 PM)
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx
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ORIGINAL: MileHighM
You Serious?
The first amendment pertains to public speech. You can throw someone out of your house for being offensive,
Yes you may throw someone out of your private home for being offensive but you may not have them arrested for what they said.
If they don't leave willingly they will be arrested
you can fire an employee (if stated in the terms of employment) for something they say.
How about a little validation for this one?publicly, they suspend and fine ball players all the time for making controversial remarks. They are also forbidden from badmouthing the referrees publicly, thats forbidding them from expressing their feelings.
Virtually any private setting can make rules about what speech is acceptable. If you went to a Gay and Lesbian group meeting, let's say you were invited, and you started spouting off about homosexuality as a sin and they have you tossed, your rights were not violated.
You can make all the rules you want but it does not trump the first ammendment. If it is a private gathering it may limit who may participate but they may not have you arrested for what you say.
They can ask you to leave and if you do not you could be charged with tresspassing.Which boils down to you getting in trouble for what you said.
However, if you are standing the street spouting off, you have the right to, and if you tossed out of town, then you have a case.
Let's see you can't pray aloud in many schools---speech and religious restriction
Perhaps you should learn the difference between free speech and fredom of religion
A prayer is an expression of freedom of speech. The religious context of speech doesn't make it any more or less protected than another form of speech.
You can be fined for swearing in court
No, you will be fined for contemp of court.
Still a speech restriction on your ability to express yourself.
you can not insite a panic
Not true. You may not yell "fire" in a crowded theater if ther is no fire but if there is a fire and you yell fire and there is panic your free speech is protected. You knew what I was saying.
HOA's can restrict you from placing political ads or personal messages in lawn
Which is a restriction you agree to when you join. So unless the tickets were sold with the disclaimer that this was a lecture and no questions would be allowed free speech is protected.
Its like buying an Iphone, you have no choice but to agree with their liscensing agreement. YOu buy a house now a days, you have no choice but to agree to some community rules or another. These people were not politely disagreeing with Ryan or asking questions, they came to shout him down so he wouldn't be heard. What purpose does that serve other than to disturb everyone else. If this was the other way around, I still would agree with the cops. I have been to political events where people were tossed. The only time they are arrested and sited is if they don't leave when asked. I know how this goes, they started shouting, a cop asked them to leave, they went ape shit. Then cop arrested them for tresspassing. No different from your response to my previous example.
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This was a public meeting open to any and all who paid to get in. Free speech is protected here and mr ryan will discover this soon.
So we are all still waiting for you to tell us where the first ammendment does not apply in the u.s..
The way the laws are written and enforced are meant to never put a direct restriction on speech. When you are arrested for tresspassing, public or private, it is because of what you are saying. Everyone was cool until you opened your mouth. Hence, you have to mind your p's and q's.
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