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MistressJude -> Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 5:52:50 PM)

There is a new 'sub-culture' starting that was recently created. It was specifically based in a fictional/fantasy setting but contains REAL locations and facts so you can easily take the lifestyle into real life. It's a little bit gor, little bit old guard, and a little bit something all new.

It is based upon a strict code of conduct, service, and rules for slaves - and yes, Dom/mes. I am starting a community here on Long Island based on this new aspect of kink where it takes into consideration that not every woman deep down needs to be a slave. Man or Woman can be dominant and can take man, woman, or both as their slaves. It is TRULY pansexual - you do NOT need to be FemDom/malesub, or MaleDom/femsub - you can be any combination you can imagine, including poly.

Intially I will be collecting people into a yahoo mailing list where we can meet-and-greet each other. There we will see who is Dom, sub, slave, etc. Who likes what style of service and weed out the trolls/players. This is a serious 24/7/365 lifestyle and works on a system of SLAVERY - NOT being a sassy sub.

From there we will arrange a meeting date that is best for the majority. During those meetings we will begin presenting the lifestyle in LESSONS. This is where Dom and sub alike become students. If it becomes an issue where Dom/mes feel uncomfortable in a learning situation in front of subs we can see about arranging separate get-togethers. At this time the meetings will be held Once A Month.

Those who are TRULY interested can email me here at CM and I will direct you to the mailing list. Those people interested in the following positions should contact me ASAP:

Records Assistant: Aiding me in establishing, maintain, and organizing all records. I and this assistant will be the only ones who will have access to anyone's information and it will be kept confident and DISCREET!

Serving Slaves/Models: I will need girls mostly but some boys will be required. They will NOT be submitting to me or anyone else - they are kind souls who are lending themselves to learn the lesson material ahead of time so that they can demostrate it to the group.

Location Host/Manager: Someone who can either offer a temporary location where we can openly perform lessons/demos or someone who is good at connecting with people/places to arrange for our meeting location.

Eventually the goal is to form a tight community of like-minded people and possibly establish a real community. FOr now it's a new, exciting aspect to BDSM.

Talk to you soon.

Mistress Jude



iliv2servher -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:00:45 PM)

I really cannot wrap my head around the Gor philosophy.  To me, it is a very sexist point of view.  The particular community that I belong to is very mixed, (i.e. a proportionate number of female to male dominants), and our vanilla community is very liberal.  I don't believe that the traditional Gor mentality would float here.  However, I do remember visiting a Gor chat room on IRC once that actually had regular who was a female dominant.  It would be nice to see a female-dominant equivalent to Gor.  :-)

-iliv2servHer



puella -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:01:23 PM)

Do you get some sort of commission for setting up these little fetish Tupperware parties??



mistoferin -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:06:04 PM)

Is this the same Klashaan as Loki's book?



Level -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:06:22 PM)

You might want to change the part where you say "you can mail me here at alt".



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:06:58 PM)

That's just it - Gor was very narrow-minded in many areas. That's why we're starting a new group that takes some minor aspects from Gor but it is NOT Gor. It's completely open in all ways to all persons who desire a SLAVE-based lifestyle.

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ORIGINAL: iliv2servher

I really cannot wrap my head around the Gor philosophy.  To me, it is a very sexist point of view.  The particular community that I belong to is very mixed, (i.e. a proportionate number of female to male dominants), and our vanilla community is very liberal.  I don't believe that the traditional Gor mentality would float here.  However, I do remember visiting a Gor chat room on IRC once that actually had regular who was a female dominant.  It would be nice to see a female-dominant equivalent to Gor.  :-)

-iliv2servHer




MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:08:22 PM)

Yes, it is. He and I have spoken and I got his complete work. He has allowed me to set up a NY based community from this.
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ORIGINAL: mistoferin

Is this the same Klashaan as Loki's book?



puella -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:13:24 PM)

Firstly... I am not Gorean.

But secondly.. how completely rude of you to wipe an entire ethos with one brush... have you read all the Gor books?  They do not espouse narrow- mindedness.... There are of course, people who are narrow minded.. but let me assure you that perspective is not consigned to Gor.

The concepts of Natural Order and Natural Selection appeal to many... Those are the concepts of the books you just called narrow minded...

I think it is very narrow minded of you to relegate an entire group of people to negativity.

Just a thought.



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:18:24 PM)

Actually, yes I have read them. They were, in fact my first introduction to BDSM and slavery. And you're correct - it's not narrow-mindedness, per se. That was a poor choice of words made in a rush. It's not that I disagree with the lifestyle, the books, or those who take on the role of Gorean. There is much in there that I do admire. It was the - perhaps narrow defination, is better - that I want to express is not involved in this new group. Where Gor is rigidly set with men being dominant and women - even free women still needing to defer to a male, this group is open to women who are dominant and do not seek to find their inner slave.

Secondly - you need not get so pissy. A simple rebuttal is enough - I am more than willing to accept my lack of proper phrasing when I make it.
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ORIGINAL: puella

Firstly... I am not Gorean.

But secondly.. how completely rude of you to wipe an entires ethos with one brush... have you read all the Gor books?  They do not espouse narrow- mindedness.... There are of course, people who are narrow minded.. but let me assure you that perspective is not consigned to Gor.

The concepts of Natural Order and Natural Selection appeal to many... Those are the concepts of the books you just called narrow minded...

I think it is very narrow minded of you to relegate an entire group of people to negativity.

Just a thought.



BitaTruble -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:19:36 PM)

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I think it is very narrow minded of you to relegate an entire group of people to negativity.

Just a thought.


Rather interesting point of view considering your first post on thread.

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Do you get some sort of commission for setting up these little fetish Tupperware parties??


Pot, kettle, black.

Celeste



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:22:21 PM)

Now now guys - let this not turn into a flame war. I made a poor choice of words - someone responded (although it could have been handled better) in the defense of others whom she felt were being wronged. I don't want this thread become bogged down with he said, she said crap. It's here to talk about a new group I think many might find interesting. If you want to fight it we can go to a chat and have it out all at once.



Padriag -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:25:52 PM)

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ORIGINAL: iliv2servher

I really cannot wrap my head around the Gor philosophy. 

That's okay, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what exactly it is causes some people to feel a need to build a lifestyle around fiction.  Whether its Gor or Klaashan or Klingons or Barsoom or what have you... I don't get it.  To me this is a bit like assuming just because someone was a member of the SCA they're equivalent to a PhD in Medieval Studies; or just because someone plays paint ball on weekends that they are equivalent to a special forces soldier.  Its fiction folks.  If you want to develop a lifestyle, why not base it on real life, real research, reality in general.  Color me a pragmatist, but I just don't see the logic behind building relationships, communities and a lifestyle around any work of fiction. 

Maybe I should just write my own series of books.



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:30:17 PM)

I think people have an easier time inserting themselves into the 'fantastical' than they would reading through a manual of 'This is this and that is that.' Slave enters and does this. Slave then does that. Dom response like that.

Weaving it into a tale draws people in while at the same time describes what is needed. The books are based on a fictional culture but are placed in a realistic world and realistic settings. Perhaps not your typical joe-schmoe who gets up in the morning, puts on the work suit/dress and lugs off for 10 hours before coming home and popping on the tube. But it's still a situation that you could put yourself realistically in if you were so inclined.

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ORIGINAL: Padriag

That's okay, I'm still trying to wrap my head around what exactly it is causes some people to feel a need to build a lifestyle around fiction.  Whether its Gor or Klaashan or Klingons or Barsoom or what have you... I don't get it.  To me this is a bit like assuming just because someone was a member of the SCA they're equivalent to a PhD in Medieval Studies; or just because someone plays paint ball on weekends that they are equivalent to a special forces soldier.  Its fiction folks.  If you want to develop a lifestyle, why not base it on real life, real research, reality in general.  Color me a pragmatist, but I just don't see the logic behind building relationships, communities and a lifestyle around any work of fiction. 

Maybe I should just write my own series of books.



Wulfchyld -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:46:52 PM)

Now with all due respect I didn’t sell MistressJude on this. I offered her a copy of my book, as I have done with a few others from this site. That said, I would say MistressJude found something in the books that inspired her to present this to you, the community. Padriag, your kink is not my kink and that is okay. Everyone here is indulging in their own fantasies; we as a community have the courage to make our fantasies into reality. Whether it is fantasizing what you are going to do with that new eggbeater or what you are going to do with that new whip, it is still fantasy we are making into reality. The fact that Goreans have the courage to break away from the status quo and actually embrace the stigma of their eclectic nature is comendable. Just as I admire the Gorean for their strength in being themselves and not succumbing to the high-end ridicule, I of course support MistressJude 100%. Yes they are my books, and yes I will live that way. My fantasy is not your fantasy and that’s okay. At no point did MistressJude say this is they way... the only way. What she said is, here it is. Any who wants it come and get it. Yes I am biased; it is my book in question. Nevertheless I would hope that this community is open minded enough to respect what she is doing.
 Respectively



puella -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:55:25 PM)

I have no idea where you are coming from Celeste; my first post was said in the same vein as my second... with absolute wonderment at the convictions in which this user has posted.

Kindly, do not select the color of my kettle.  I have not given you reason or right to do so.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 6:58:39 PM)

I just don't understand why you need a fictional book to "prove" that you can be in a possibly pansexual, possibly poly M/s relationship. Obviously, those things really exist without the use of fictional laws and types of conduct.

I guess I just don't get it. I'm sorry if this sounds inflammatory.



puella -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 7:00:42 PM)

One might say the very same thing about any book of faith.. .there certainly are many works of fiction and fantasy in just about every book of  religion with a creationist theory that I have ever studied.



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 7:01:02 PM)

To those who are reading this thread and who feel compelled to get your comments in. Please note that this is not posted to invite opinions, debates, arguments, or flames. It was posted to inform people of a new group being formed based on a SPECIFIC lifestyle. If you do not believe in, condone, approve of, or even just don't like this type of lifestyle then don't interact on this thread. Don't come to list. Don't come to the meetings. Don't read the book. This post was made so that people who ARE interested can express that interest so they can be instructed further. The only thing this thread is doing now is scaring off anyone who might be interested for fear they might be belittled or condemned. So please bite your tongue (or fingers as it is) and show some self restraint. Fine, you don't like Gor. You don't like Klashaan. You don't like anything fictional. Then get off the thread and leave it at that. Start your own thread where you can bash all  you want. 



MistressJude -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 7:04:37 PM)

The thing is that we're not going for fictional laws/conduct. It's a very detailed lifestyle structure that was developed, including conduct for Dom and sub alike. It's a breakdown of lessons for those who are interested in this type of lifestyle - the lessons are offered because a lot of people seem to have the idea that 'sure, I'm a slave, I'll do whatever you want' and wind up either 1. finding out it's not all fun and games or 2. Get in over their head. The group (and therein the lessons) is an attempt to gather like-minded people (those who enjoy a slavery-based lifestyle) together and to engage in similar activities that each slave and Master finds pleasing to them. It's a Master/slave group with a new name and a little new spin.

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ORIGINAL: KittenWithaTwist

I just don't understand why you need a fictional book to "prove" that you can be in a possibly pansexual, possibly poly M/s relationship. Obviously, those things really exist without the use of fictional laws and types of conduct.

I guess I just don't get it. I'm sorry if this sounds inflammatory.



KittenWithaTwist -> RE: Like Gor? Love Klashaan! (5/21/2006 7:08:00 PM)

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I think people have an easier time inserting themselves into the 'fantastical' than they would reading through a manual of 'This is this and that is that.' Slave enters and does this. Slave then does that. Dom response like that.


But there are no manuals like that! At least, there aren't any in BDSM or D/s or M/s that I'm aware of. In Gor and, I can only assume, in your version of it, there are specific things a slave must do. For instance, when I did online Gor, a slave was required to greet all dominants in this one way. They were required to serve coffee, wine, and tea in this one way. A dom's response was only considered appropriate if done in this one way.

In life, there are an unlimited number of responses and duties and trials and forms and styles of living. There is no book to say you must do it this way, or you aren't doing it right! There's no manual for the lifestyle. There's no holy text. You can do it any way you wish because there's no group to say "No! You're doing it wrong! That's not what John Norman or the Marquis de Sade or whoever said!"




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