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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/19/2011 8:58:21 AM

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For some reason I strongly suspect this tension that is kept between opposing sides is done so for economic reasons, there has got to be be money in this and someone somewhere making out of the hardship of others.

As lets face it, 9/11 created a new industries, what we have now we did not have before, so someone is profiting from the fear in the western world and it is in their interests to continuously advertise to make more money.

I wonder how much of the 'arab spring' was influenced by western interests, as all it takes is the right words in the right places for things to simmer and then as nature demands, boil over where there is people concerned.

Libya especially, I wonder how much antagonism the oil interests created, and that because to me there seems some connection between the Lockerbie bomber, the oil industry and Britain's sudden desire to go and prosecute a conflict in another country all on their own, except for perhaps France who have always held an interest in North Africa. Methinks the Lockerbie bomber being released on compassionate grounds, turning out to live longer than anticipated and the oil deals are all linked, but world/American condemnation made Britain seek to right it's wrongs and there create a rich reward for those involved.

So, in this world unease, perhaps it is an unease, because it profits the minority at the expense of the majority ?

It is therefore in the interest of those that profit to keep the tensions real.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/19/2011 12:05:53 PM

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OK Tweak

I've gone through a bunch of your references.

Let's see- Hedges- rabid bigot and tars people based on the size of the flag on their cars.

Stephen Green's Counterpunch article- lots of jumps, discussion of "klystrons" as some mysterious technology that Israel couldn't manufacture- but klystron tubes were developed back in WWII- so if he can't come up with what type of klystron tube is under discussion- it's like saying we wouldn't sell the Israeli's transistors...I gave up on the article after that.

The list of signatories- well, hell, there were plenty of people during Gulf War I that thought that Bush I shouldn't have stopped till Saddam was out of power- this was their chance. What Zionist linkage?

Sorry- but this Zionist conspiracy is sounding more and more far fetched....

While I might agree that the Palestinians deserve a homeland- this type of tripe is just a waste of my time.

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/19/2011 2:00:01 PM

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Sorry- but this Zionist conspiracy is sounding more and more far fetched....

You're the only person whose used that term "Zionist conspiracy". Not surprising that you don't find one.

I repeat, if only to demonstrate how much you either misunderstand or distort what I'm saying:
One of the neo-cons' primary motivations is urging an Iraq invasion long before 9/11 was to re-arrange the ME to Israel's benefit. There were other motivations. These were widely reported in the media at the time.

It is also a fact that the stated goals of 9/11 hijackers specifically mentioned Israel/Palestine as one of their two primary motivations.

It is also a fact the US admits the Israel is the glue that holds its entire ME policy together, that it backs Israel (often to its own detriment) in every situation and forum internationally.

It is also a fact the since 2000 Israel has launched 2 major and many minor invasions of its neighbours, while no other country in the region has attacked it.

It is also a fact the Israel currently occupies land to which it has no claim, which is claimed by others and which is universally accepted to be at the heart of the I/P conflict.

It is also a fact that all the region's countries are united in seeing the I/P conflict as a major source of regional tension and conflict.

Which bit of the above can't you get?

Israel causes the US far more trouble than its worth, and offers the US nothing in return for all the material financial and political support it gets. Fmr Defence Sce. Gates describes Israel as an "ungrateful" ally and Netanyahu as a drag on peace

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RE: 9/11: 10 years on ..... - 9/19/2011 2:05:27 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: tweakabelle

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Sorry- but this Zionist conspiracy is sounding more and more far fetched....

You're the only person whose used that term "Zionist conspiracy". Not surprising that you don't find one.

I repeat, if only to demonstrate how much you either misunderstand or distort what I'm saying:
One of the neo-cons' primary motivations is urging an Iraq invasion long before 9/11 was to re-arrange the ME to Israel's benefit. There were other motivations. These were widely reported in the media at the time.

It is also a fact that the stated goals of 9/11 hijackers specifically mentioned Israel/Palestine as one of their two primary motivations.

It is also a fact the US admits the Israel is the glue that holds its entire ME policy together, that it backs Israel (often to its own detriment) in every situation and forum internationally.

It is also a fact the since 2000 Israel has launched 2 major and many minor invasions of its neighbours, while no other country in the region has attacked it.

It is also a fact the Israel currently occupies land to which it has no claim, which is claimed by others and which is universally accepted to be at the heart of the I/P conflict.

It is also a fact that all the region's countries are united in seeing the I/P conflict as a major source of regional tension and conflict.

Which bit of the above can't you get?

Israel causes the US far more trouble than its worth, and offers the US nothing in return for all the material financial and political support it gets. Fmr Defence Sce. Gates describes Israel as an "ungrateful" ally and Netanyahu as a drag on peace

3 out of your 5 facts are actually right. Too bad the two that are total bullshit are the important ones.

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