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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 6:51:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just wanted to say I think "tolerance" is brandied about far too much in general, not just in the kink world. Tolerating something is putting up with it or working around it, it does not mean liking it, accepting it, or encouraging it. When most people ask you to tolerate something they are usually really asking you to be excepting of it. I call bullshit. We do need more tolerance, but in the real meaning of the word. People need to be more "tolerant" of the fact that it is perfectly ok for me to put up with something you do without being enthusiastic about the fact that you do it.

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 6:52:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		scat, animals, rainbow play(vomit) and kids, are a dont even go there limit in conversation, reading and fantasy let alone reality, and the end of my tolerance. However I will leave rather than give somone hassle. I have a friend of many years who told me he was into fantasy incest.. gave me quite the pause I have to admit, definitiely not something that would get my juices going in anyway shape or form. he is still a damn good friend but he knows it squiks me and doesnt push anything, which is fine.
I have fantasies that would make a lot of people pause , but I dont tend to share them with just anyone.


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 6:55:27 PM   
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Oh part of me wants to pull out my stick and poke this beast.



Poke away, I am pretty sure you were just speaking in metaphors, it's all good. I hope if you *were* serious, your stick is bigger than my .45. I'm tolerant like that. .

No worries Awareness, my last word on the topic. Promise.


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 7:04:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		I like to think I'm fairly tolerant of most activities, even those that society would generally frown upon and see as taboo.  Which of course, if you're adverse to taboo what are you doing here anyway, but I digress. 

There are some activities that will never interest me and there are a plentiful amount that I would not mind going into the lab and experimenting with.  Do I believe there comes a point where people can use the veil of BDSM to act out their hatred?  It's practically inviting.  The side effect of snowballing in popularity is that more people will push more limits since the thrill from before is no longer there and as Awareness' example showed, how far is too far? 

I think intolerance isn't such a horrible beast that we should lock in the attic.  It should instead be that bar that is set to show what can easily be seen as kink and what can be seen as deplorable.  If two people consent to something deplorable, that is their business but they are fooling themselves if they think this community will find it acceptable.  


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 7:09:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes i was speaking in metaphors. Although i dont care or pass judgement on what anyone does.  Im Liberal. and what kind of .45. I have 2 Kimber 1911s with flash suppresses, tritium night sights, skeleton trigger and hammer and extended beaver tails.




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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 7:39:26 PM   
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So I am not totally derailing the awesome OP, I am actually one to be okay with most kinks I don't dig, I just ignore them and try (*try!) not to judge.




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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 7:57:38 PM   
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Sorry but it's fucking abhorrent and I won't be deterred from mentioning what I find as intolerant.
Did you perhaps mean "intolerable"? (Yankistanis really don't speak English very well do they?)

As far as kinks go, I'm pretty tolerant of most things, but there are some things I just don't like, and I want nothing to do with those. So I have to fake it, to use the OP's term. I just assume that they are more messed up then me and do my best to ignore the things they do.

And as far as kinksters being tolerant? Not at all, they are people, mostly white people in fact, and white people in general are, in my experience, intolerant of anything different from themselves. So it only follows...

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 8:11:37 PM   
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Thanks for the correction, I do admit "intolerable" would have been a better choice.

Now, what do you mean by "white" people? Sorry I am a bit daft on that one. Caucasians in general or just white Americans?  Do you really think that whites are less tolerant others? Damn that is a big broad brush you have Emily. Care to expound on that?



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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 8:23:53 PM   
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Care to expound on that?
I'm First Nation. I didn't say all white people are intolerant, I said that in my experience most of them are intolerant of anything or anybody different from them. I'm sorry if that bothers anybody (well not really), but that is my experience and the experience of my people over several hundred years. It's a pretty consistent record.

So, again in my experience, any group of people consisting of mostly white people will be more intolerant than a group primarily not white (which due to my location means native rather than black, I know far too few blacks to make any sort of judgment).

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 8:37:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		Too funny, I had no idea what you meant. First Nation eh? My Papa is Passamaquoddy. Lot's of us in Maine. Same isn't it to a degree? I mean by your definition of First Nation, would not a Native American Indian also be "not white"? I might look like I was born on the Isle of Galway, but I am maternally of the lineage of a dark skinned Indian only 2 gens apart.

This shit gets old. Assumptions based on a white avatar pic are intolerant/intolerable....you pick Emily.

Born in the USA . Couldn't help it..sorry!


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:03:50 PM   
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Status: offline 		I never mentioned you being white, red, blue or any other colour, so I really don't know what you are on about. If you're part First Nation then you are effectively Metis like me. Wonderful! Hi sister, it's nice to meet another true North American on here.

But how that changes or affects or even bears on anything I said about tolerance I do not know.

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:14:02 PM   
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Status: offline 		I know you didn't I am just stating that not all "whites" are intolerant and some of us hide what lies beneath by mere virtue of our appearance that's all.

I identify as American, with all that construes. The ethnicity of my ancestors is although lovely and interesting, I am an American white woman and I don't think I have any more or less tolerance than any others, that was my point I suppose. 

edited to add I am proud of my Passamaquoddy heritage as well, not to disparage that in any way, and thanks! 


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:28:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ive seen some tool ass shit on this forum but for real Emily you just won the grand prize. Your as bad as the African Americans here in the US claiming that the every person with English blood owes them. But in the spirit of this thread, I can tolerate you. See how that works.

I don't know if i read this wrong, i really hope i did. But i have experienced racism in a very real way. And to claim that most white people are intolerant is just fucked imo. Even took a bullet cause i was white. Product of gowing to school as one of 5 white kids.

Ignorance breeds racism. And i live in a country that has been dealing with this issue for a long time. I'm out.


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:35:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Don't be out!! I like what you said and I agree, although in a different manner. I have found that other ethnic peoples are far less tolerant than whites especially when it comes to interracial situations and also yes..kink.

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:39:19 PM   
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I know you didn't I am just stating that not all "whites" are intolerant
I said that twice already. thanks for agreeing with me.

And you're welcome ma soeur.


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:44:36 PM   
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And to claim that most white people are intolerant is just fucked imo.
I can only go by my experiences in this life.

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And i live in a country that has been dealing with this issue for a long time.
As do I, my country and people have been dealing with for 477 years.

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:44:44 PM   
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Status: offline 		Je ne savais pas que vous avez parlé français, certains Canadiens sont pas francophiles comme vous le savez, et mon français est juste au mieux donc de m'excuser. Merci de l'occasion pour au moins discuter de cette question.


and this probably sucked!

edited to add google translate was no help at all!


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:52:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm not being a chicken But for me having someone judge my based on the color of my skin effect me deeply. I have lost friends, and loved ones, to this shit. I grew up in Longbeach Cali. While i lived there we had the gang wars going on. I spent 3 years living in fear that i may be killed because i was white. I've been shot, stabbed, jumped by gangs had to run for my life while some gang did a driveby on my neighborhood. Till you have experienced this i don't think anyone has the right to say they have a leg to stand on because of what some did 3-4 hundred years ago.

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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 9:58:07 PM   
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I thought you said you were liberal?


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RE: Tolerance, a buzz word or more? - 9/9/2011 10:02:16 PM   
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I'm not being a chicken But for me having someone judge my based on the color of my skin effect me deeply.
I didn't. but your reaction to my non-insult is confirming my statement. You are intolerant of my view and experience because it differs from yours.

One more intolerant white man to add to the list. If you really honestly think that the majority of whites are tolerant of things and people different from them just ask anybody on earth who isn't white. There's about 5 billion of us who pretty much will confirm what I said, so it shouldn't be too hard to find one.
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Till you have experienced this i don't think anyone has the right to say they have a leg to stand on because of what some did 3-4 hundred years ago.
OK, how about what they did last week, or the week before, or the week before, and so on. What happened 400 hundred years ago hasn't stopped, just gotten milder and harder for you to see.

Anyway, to paraphrase Awareness, Can we not have this fucking conversation, it will go nowhere.

Bye, sweet dreams you two.


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