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Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 10:33:43 AM   
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    I do not label myself submissive or slave.   I just feel I have a submissive personality.   Outside of a bedroom setting I hate having someone order me about.   I certainly don't have a problem with someone asking me to do something for them, however knowing that there would be punishment for not doing something that was asked of me, probably would not set well with me.    Punishments for fun are one thing but I have difficulty with punishments for serious things  and I also have a problem being expected to obey outside of the bedroom.  With all that said, I recently (within the past year) met someone cool on CM.   We chatted for a few months before we finally met in person.    We don't really speak deeply on my not labeling myself submissive or that I have a problem with taking direct orders outside of the bedroom.   He just is pretty in tuned to me, understands me, and accepts me for who I am.  

      He knew from the beginning I was a smoker.   I'd gotten that out of the way with pretty quickly.    I was pretty embarrassed by the fact that I smoked though.    I hated smoking around other people, there was only one place in my apartment that I smoked, I was a frequent hand washer (because I could not stand the smell), I brushed my teeth several times a day---he may not even have known I was a smoker, because at times, people  who are around me daily are surprised to learn I was a smoker.    I did mention on a couple occasions to him that I wanted to quit.    So during out first meeting he brought it up---the dreaded--'you should quit' topic.   

     I pretty much had heard this before---there were several Dominants that I had met over the years who demanded I quit---and of course during those times I was a 'good little follow orders to a tee-motivated submissive' and I would say, "Yes Sir I will quit right now."    Three hours would pass and I'd be saying, "I am quitting now," while putting one out in the ash tray.    Funny though most of the time the Dom's never asked again how I was doing with the quitting, they just took me at my word that I had quit and that was the end of it---and jeeze what they did not know did not hurt them.    One Dom in fact did eventually cause me to quit and I quit for a number of years, but we were long distance---so when I started smoking again, I never told him and he never knew I started again even though we spent 5 days together.    He still thinks I started smoking again after we called it quits.  

      When the dreaded topic was brought up, I knew what I was up against---I already knew if I were forced to quit---I'd be lying my ass off in between smokes.   I laid it all out and explained it to him.   "I know me, I know I will smoke and lie about it if you order it.   I have to do it my way and I have to do it on my time when I am ready."  When I was ready, I  called told him how many I had left and how long before I would smoke my last one.    I smoked my last one---then the next day went to my daughter's house and 'borrowed' one of her boyfriend's cigarettes.    I also smoked two half cigarette's I left there from a few days before and honestly they tasted awful and those were the last one's I smoked.    I did promptly admit that I smoked that day.    Tomorrow will be a month since I had my last cigarette.    He asks me often how I am doing with it, especially on days when I have stress.   (Sometimes I think he doubts me too much and I tell him that too lol.)  

      So along with the not smoking, he suggested eating a healthier diet and exercising .    Well, even though I have not gotten that membership at Planet Fitness, I am exercising daily and although I don't consider myself on a diet, I have changed my eating habits quite a lot.    I have taken off ten pounds.      When I lost the first five pounds he asked my weight and I gave him some random large number.    Then explained that I was not going to tell him and before I knew what I was doing, I said,  "YOU ARE A JERK." and gave him my true weight.     I had no idea it was coming or anything.   


       Even though, I do not like to follow orders outside of the bedroom, although I do not consider myself to be a slave or a submissive, I see that actually, I am doing as he requests.    Maybe I am not doing it in a typical one true way fashion--but I am doing it nonetheless.     I can't say I am following orders, because quite honestly if anyone else were to ask me to do something and expect me to obey it--I'd probably say, "Go fuck yourself." Unless it was a police officer, then I'd probably just think it and not say it.    I kind of think this man inspires me.    He has a non-threatening Dominant air that makes it easy for me to comply.   

         So for the s-types why do you obey?   It is because it is expected, is it because you have decided to, or does it just happen---you obey even when your mind is telling you not to?  Or is there another reason?

         And for the D-types---why do you want your s-types to obey?  
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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 10:53:00 AM   
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Hmmmm.......why.....

Basically, because I said so! If I told her to do something, I am telling her because I want her to do it. Because that is the dynamic of the relationship. Because it is the dynamic we've agreed upon. If she wasn't going to obey, didn't want that type of relationship, then she should have stayed the hell away from me. It's not like I don't discuss this shit up front.


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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 10:57:17 AM   
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Because I am not a process oriented person, and I get bored of endless discussions before a decision is made.  That is why I am much happier as a single woman and a business owner than I ever was as a wife and member of a business partnership.  I just want someone to make decisions, doesn't have to be me, and then get on with it.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:00:33 AM   
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Oh, anyone who thinks they can force me into being obedient or submissive better be prepared to kill me. I don't handle force well. And I certainly would not do well with a dynamic that involved physical punishment.

In my relationship with my dominant, I am inspired to obey, and do it willingly and lovingly and (I hope) with great grace.

He and I have also been through the quit smoking thing (I am a dedicated nicotine addict.) I am happy to say I have not smoked for almost 2 years.

The man was patience personified. He knew it was my issue, and with his support I would deal with it, and I did.

Being with someone who gets you is everything, to me.







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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:01:11 AM   
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Ja, I'm ok with the killin' thang.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:02:40 AM   
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It's the whole me coming back to haunt you that you'd have trouble with.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:07:18 AM   
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Thanks ChatteParfaitt.    It feels nice to have someone understand where I am coming from.       About the smoking---I know I can never pick another one up and smoke it that is what happened last time I got over confident and figured I could smoke one every once in a while.    I think I will have to fight the urge forever but it get easier.   Thanks again.   

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:09:02 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ChatteParfaitt

It's the whole me coming back to haunt you that you'd have trouble with.



I am so very shallow, I haven't the capacity for guilt or any societal emotion.

Couple hours after that dog licking peanut butter style blowjob, I feel like killing EVERYBODY all over again.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:19:30 AM   
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I obey because it's my personality to do so, because I don't like disappointing him <the look and tone of voice is enough to make me want to just die>, because he's a smart man who makes sound, rational decisions that simply work well for us and better than if I was the one making the decision...he's good at it and because that's what I agreed to when I entered a relationship with him.



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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:26:24 AM   
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quote:

So for the s-types why do you obey? It is because it is expected, is it because you have decided to, or does it just happen---you obey even when your mind is telling you not to? Or is there another reason?

Like you, I am the first person to tell someone to go fuck themselves if they were to have the audacity to 'order' me to do something. Yet, in the past ( with my late husband ), and even now with a few select individuals, I will find myself doing what they 'ask' simply because I don't want to let them down. Their praise, I guess is a good enough word, is something that I savor.
I do what they ask simply because I want them to smile at me with that 'thank you' smile. Their support of me, and their support of my life, goes a long way in soothing the 'fuck you' attitude.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 11:37:15 AM   
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I obey because he owns me, and because I love being owned by him.  When I am ordered to do something, he fully expects me to obey, and to carry out his commands.
I obey because that's what he wants me to do, and I want to please him.  I obey because I trust him, he is wise, and I don't believe he would ever put me at risk.  I obey because when I don't, and when I disappoint, I feel about 2cm tall, and I hate him being annoyed, or upset, or angry with me.

There is no way that when I first started meeting him I could have quit smoking for him.  If he told me to now, now that I am totally his, and he owns me - I expect I would do a hell of a lot of grumbling and moaning and protesting, but if that's what he decided, then slowly I would make sure that I did quit; probably not straight away, and he wouldn't expect me to, but within a reasonable time frame.  But I hope he'll never ask that of me, I don't think he will as I don't think it bothers him.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:00:40 PM   
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I will find myself doing what they 'ask' simply because I don't want to let them down. Their praise, I guess is a good enough word, is something that I savor.
I do what they ask simply because I want them to smile at me with that 'thank you' smile. Their support of me, and their support of my life, goes a long way in soothing the 'fuck you' attitude.
  I don't feel that way.   I mean the praise and stuff is good I suppose but when I obey him---sometimes it makes me a little bit angry.   He knows I feel this way but it's sort of like my mind is saying nah you don't have to do this and my body just does it.    Like my hands just took over and wrote my true weight.    It's like I can't help it.   I can't even say at that point I am inspired.   It's just weird---I have had one partner in the past that could do that to me but not on this deep a level.    And sometimes I really really hate it because I dislike anyone or anything having that amount of control over me.   

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:09:12 PM   
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When i was in service to my Mistress many years ago, she gave me a peice of advice that has stuck with me, IF the sub is always thinking of thier Dom, and thier Dom is always thinking of the sub then there shouldnt be any reason that the 2 of them wouldnt be happy. Which is proly why i feel that no one is a dom unless they have been a sub. A Dom who hasent served before imho, has no idea what it really means to serve. My service was very hard for me. I wanted 100% role reversal for my training. Im a 5'11'' 270 pound white male that thinks he's a God. My Mistress was a 5'2'' 105 pound black woman that loved CNB. It took her 4 months to break me. Once i accepted my role, i could preform. I could open my mind to what it means to be a submissive. Twice a week we had what we called "download time" It was a time of the week that we both stepped out of our roles and talked about feelings, insecurities, fantasies, lines, so on and so forth. I have done this with my subs and it really helps to make sure that everyone is comfortable and happy. I just think that too many peusdo Doms see this as "what can this person do for me" rather then "what can I do to make sure she loves to serve me."


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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:15:59 PM   
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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:27:30 PM   
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I don't feel that way. I mean the praise and stuff is good I suppose but when I obey him---sometimes it makes me a little bit angry. He knows I feel this way but it's sort of like my mind is saying nah you don't have to do this and my body just does it. Like my hands just took over and wrote my true weight. It's like I can't help it. I can't even say at that point I am inspired. It's just weird---I have had one partner in the past that could do that to me but not on this deep a level. And sometimes I really really hate it because I dislike anyone or anything having that amount of control over me.

Maybe, it's because you are looking at in the wrong way. You see things as 'orders'. If you tried, instead to see them as requests? That might help in alleviating the feelings of pressure.

Another thing that really helps me is knowing WHY they want me to do something. And by that I don't mean the standard 'because I asked you to". I mean, WHY. What purpose does my agreeing serve you? Most times, the answer is a simple 'because I don't want to see you hurt, etc".

I learned early on that changing my own perceptions went a long way in helping me to overcome the automatic defensive 'NO Way will I do that' feeling.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:32:00 PM   
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And for the D-types---why do you want your s-types to obey?
Because they want to. I would elaborate, but really it's that simple.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:33:03 PM   
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But since you've never killed me, I've never come back to haunt you.

Come to think of it, I've never given you a BJ, either.

You might find yourself reduced to a puddle of domly goo.

Just saying.


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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:48:43 PM   
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And for the D-types---why do you want your s-types to obey?
Because they want to. I would elaborate, but really it's that simple.
Well thanks for the enlightenment---I guess there is nothing more to add.  

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 12:54:21 PM   
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IrishMist---I appreciate all of your insight.   Maybe I do need to see them as requests instead of orders---thanks for the suggestion.  

Most of the time when he asks me to do something---I don't have time to ask why he wants me to do it.   My mind resists but my body obeys.   It doesn't happen all the time but a great deal of it.   I am never mad at him---I guess I am angry at myself because I did not allow myself time enough to choose if I actually wanted to do it or not.

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RE: Inspired or something else - 9/9/2011 1:03:44 PM   
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IrishMist---I appreciate all of your insight.   Maybe I do need to see them as requests instead of orders---thanks for the suggestion.  

Most of the time when he asks me to do something---I don't have time to ask why he wants me to do it.   My mind resists but my body obeys.   It doesn't happen all the time but a great deal of it.   I am never mad at him---I guess I am angry at myself because I did not allow myself time enough to choose if I actually wanted to do it or not.


Have you ever asked him to explain to you WHY he wants you to do certain things? If he is aware of your automatic response to certain situations, he might understand that explaining things helps. If he understands, as you seem to think he does, I don't think he would find an aversion to explaining, in depth, his reasons.

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