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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 7:34:18 PM   
Termyn8or


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The show must go on. We do not have independent people in the media, people with cameras all over the place who do not have the sanctions of govrnments to print their stories and pictures, we have a controlled media. WE do not have the ability of a private person to write a letter to the editor and guarantee that it be published. And in fact we never have.

We will never know the truth, and you know what ? Even those who lie to us might not know the truth. How do you know that the intelligence the President recieves is true ? How do you know that the agents who collected it, their superiors, their superiors and then the presenters have been totally faithful to the facts ?

You don't, you must figure things out by what makes sense and what does not. And what if the past information you heard was a lie ? Then the truth will not make sense.

What do you do then ?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 7:35:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, I added Fellow to my ignore list, really surprising how many [insert derogatory phrase here] actually are conspiracy theorists.

Considering that, as stated, the UK has a long history of being the target for terrorist attacks has not prevented determined attacks.


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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 7:58:07 PM   
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  Could it be because we killed over 1,000,000 Iraqis?

ROFL . Sure we did.

Indeed. Even according to the Iraq Body Count NGO, which isn't a friend to the US at all but seen as reliable on statistics, a total around 256,000 Iraqi's, US personel and insurgents had been killed by 2010. The million Iraqi civilians is a myth that started to appear on placards at anti-war demos years ago.

The real problem other than whatever dead, that simply didn't need to die regardless of just how many and one that will also not be fixed, is that between 2-3 million of Iraq's professional class left and will...never come back.

I think that figure might be a touch excessive as two million are said to have left the country overall and about 1.7 million are displaced internally. I didn't support the Iraq war but its important to address extreme distortions over the death toll.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 8:17:13 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"For fuck sake, do you have any sort of clue? Most of the people killed that day were not the wealthy bankers you object to but ordinary office staff. "

And for what reason were they more important to you than the starving children in Etiopia (or anyhwere else) ? Those children do not starve because of a lack of resources, they starve because of greed, that is a proven fact. Yet these people in NYC are more important to you. I would be very interested in your explanaition here. Is it because they all died at once quickly instead of a long drawn out death lasting months or years ? That's hardly the position of a humanitarian.

Are they more important than the scads of soldiers who die for oil companies all year long ? Are they more important than "Negroes" who were allowed to die from syphillis by the "freest" country in the world ? Are they more important than Randy Weaver's Wife or the Branch Davidians ? Are they more important than Rachel Corrie ? Are they more important than Lenny Bruce ? Just who is it that they are more important THAN ? The Lockerbie folk ? The IRA folk ? The SLA ? The Arabs ? The Iraqis and Afghanis ? The Russians on their Eastern front ? Merc ? (or weren't you here for Merc ? I kinda liked him, he was one of those who, for some reason didn't show up for work that day, he subsequently took his ample insurance money from 9/11 and retired in Italy, wonder how he's doing).

Who is more important ?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 8:23:05 PM   
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Does anybody take this government baloney seriously? As the government version of the 9/11 events falls like house of cards, they are worried as the anniversary events are happening. There is no reliable method to separate government lies from the truth. Perhaps the best is just to ignore.


Just as there is no reliable method of separating nutcases who get their dicks hard on conspiracy theories from normal people.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 8:29:02 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"For fuck sake, do you have any sort of clue? Most of the people killed that day were not the wealthy bankers you object to but ordinary office staff. "

And for what reason were they more important to you than the starving children in Etiopia )or anyhwere else) ? Those children do not starve because of a lack of resources, they starve becasue of greed, that is a proven fact. Yet these people in NYC are more important to you.

I would be very interested in your explamaition here. Is it becuse they all died at once quickly instead of a long drawn out death lasting months or years ? That's hardly the position of a humanitarian.... [edited out due to a display of explosive flatulence whilst termy was at his keyboard]

I think you are setting out to cause another fight. I already said I cared about the effects of poverty in the world but it wasn't the topic of the thread. When anyone expresses concern about a given tragedy, do they also have to express concern about every other tragedy under the sun so they won't upset loons like yourself?

I was replying to PAHunk's expression of contempt about these people dying which was why I said the footage was still hard to watch. It's quite a simple point but one that appears to be beyond your cognitive abilities. BTW I'm also greatly amused that you criticise me as not being humanitarian enough considering what you say on here all the time. On another thread just now you repeated Hitler's mantra about living space with regard to the US populace.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/9/2011 9:45:34 PM   
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"Incredible that idiots still believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US Government. There is no proof of this that stands up when questioned."

So it is your assertion, since it actually happened, that they are incompetent. OK, do you have any evidence that they have become less incompetent ?

T^T



T, its my assertion that our government cant keep a blow job a secret. People actually believe they can keep an attack of this magnitude a secret for this long?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 1:04:55 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"I said the footage was still hard to watch."

I've watched people die right in front of me. What would you do, go into the fetal position ?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 1:07:41 AM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"T, its my assertion that our government cant keep a blow job a secret. People actually believe they can keep an attack of this magnitude a secret for this long? "

Never heard of intentional incompetence eh ? Well it is a key component to what is called plausible deniability. Ever hear that term ?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 2:23:05 AM   
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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 7:07:19 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"I said the footage was still hard to watch."

I've watched people die right in front of me. What would you do, go into the fetal position ?

Termy I see you're on your "I'm special" jive again. Plenty of peope have witnessed others dying. I saw two people die in front of me, one was quite nasty - a guy in his twenties who was run over. They were unpleasant experiences for sure but part of life. Its actually having those experiences, and hearing the experiences of those that were there that make the footage more affecting, not less.

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"T, its my assertion that our government cant keep a blow job a secret. People actually believe they can keep an attack of this magnitude a secret for this long? "

Never heard of intentional incompetence eh ? Well it is a key component to what is called plausible deniability. Ever hear that term ?

If the government can't keep a lil' BJ secret, then a vast conspiracy on an unprecedented scale probably wouldn't even happen in the first place before the whistle was blown. Once again you missed the point completely. At least some things will never change, eh?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 7:24:02 AM   
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Did anyone else notice after the presidents speech, when they started talking about the terror threat(i think the channel was on CNN) The audio started messing up?
Every time the reporter said the words terror, or Pakistan the sound bites would go all weird. The newscaster before and after him there was no problem, and it happened throughout his bit on a possible terrorist attack.

I figured it was the station trying to add to the hype, which I find a bit underhanded.


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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 5:59:52 PM   
Termyn8or


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Status: offline 		"Once again you missed the point completely."

No, the point is that 3,000 ain't shit. Five times that number die from medical errors every month. What's missing is the drama. It was a kick in the balls to the world's bully, who now is crying FOR TEN FUCKING YEARS !

If anyone cared they would scrutinize the hospitals, not the airports. Your fucking doctor is more of a threat than Bin Laden ever was.

ETA : Maybe not yours Anax, you are in a different country.

T^T

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:05:03 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras

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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: willbeurdaddy
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ORIGINAL: pahunkboy
  Could it be because we killed over 1,000,000 Iraqis?

ROFL . Sure we did.

Indeed. Even according to the Iraq Body Count NGO, which isn't a friend to the US at all but seen as reliable on statistics, a total around 256,000 Iraqi's, US personel and insurgents had been killed by 2010. The million Iraqi civilians is a myth that started to appear on placards at anti-war demos years ago.

The real problem other than whatever dead, that simply didn't need to die regardless of just how many and one that will also not be fixed, is that between 2-3 million of Iraq's professional class left and will...never come back.

I think that figure might be a touch excessive as two million are said to have left the country overall and about 1.7 million are displaced internally. I didn't support the Iraq war but its important to address extreme distortions ov everybodyer the death toll.

Well even arriving at any number is speculative at best but I am talking about the Baathists, the police, the bureaucrats, the teachers, almost everybody other than unskilled or marginally skilled labor. I lay all of that blame on the CPA and its abysmal incompetence. But was it ? It could easily have served a purpose...

Going out into Iraqi society, one risked being pick-up and taken to Abu Garab. Many went in understanding why. Too many came out...hating our guts. There's your 'insurgents.' Mission acomplished...10 years of very profitable 'insurgency.'

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:07:21 PM   
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"Incredible that idiots still believe 9/11 was a conspiracy by the US Government. There is no proof of this that stands up when questioned."

So it is your assertion, since it actually happened, that they are incompetent. OK, do you have any evidence that they have become less incompetent ?

T^T



I never said they are less incompetent. I clearly stated earlier in the thread there may still be a danger.

I think they missed a chance to halt 9/11 because your different intel services (CIA,FBI and such) were not passing info to each other.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:09:15 PM   
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"Once again you missed the point completely."

No, the point is that 3,000 ain't shit. Five times that number die from medical errors every month. What's missing is the drama. It was a kick in the balls to the world's bully, who now is crying FOR TEN FUCKING YEARS !

If anyone cared they would scrutinize the hospitals, not the airports. Your fucking doctor is more of a threat than Bin Laden ever was.

You are still missing the point but regardless of that 3,000 in one day is a pretty big shit actually. As far as I can tell it represents the single biggest terrorist attack on a state in one day. I doubt the figure from medical errors is true as that would represent 180,000 a year or 493 a day. Even so terrorist violence is more significant as it represents deliberate killing for political reasons. That is why death in this fashion is more significant politically than deaths on roads etc.

A difficult question but it should be asked considering your comment about it being a kick in the balls to a bully: Do you think 9/11 was a legitimate morally justified attack?

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:16:37 PM   
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Well, I added Fellow to my ignore list, really surprising how many [insert derogatory phrase here] actually are conspiracy theorists.

Considering that, as stated, the UK has a long history of being the target for terrorist attacks has not prevented determined attacks.


Well now that you are on the subject, it really depends upon which conspiracy one believes...either the govt's...wholy unproven conspiracy theory or some of the others, without any ability now..to be proven.

One could be almost blind yet still see the govt's theory...full of wholes much of which is completely without foundation in fact.

Most consipracies almost entirely depend upon those who would question it...as being branded and denigarted as conspiracy theorists or worse...nuts. That denigration serves a very useful purpose.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:25:10 PM   
Anaxagoras


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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
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ORIGINAL: MrRodgers
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ORIGINAL: Anaxagoras
Indeed. Even according to the Iraq Body Count NGO, which isn't a friend to the US at all but seen as reliable on statistics, a total around 256,000 Iraqi's, US personel and insurgents had been killed by 2010. The million Iraqi civilians is a myth that started to appear on placards at anti-war demos years ago.

The real problem other than whatever dead, that simply didn't need to die regardless of just how many and one that will also not be fixed, is that between 2-3 million of Iraq's professional class left and will...never come back.

I think that figure might be a touch excessive as two million are said to have left the country overall and about 1.7 million are displaced internally. I didn't support the Iraq war but its important to address extreme distortions overy the death toll.

Well even arriving at any number is speculative at best but I am talking about the Baathists, the police, the bureaucrats, the teachers, almost everybody other than unskilled or marginally skilled labor. I lay all of that blame on the CPA and its abysmal incompetence. But was it ? It could easily have served a purpose...

Going out into Iraqi society, one risked being pick-up and taken to Abu Garab. Many went in understanding why. Too many came out...hating our guts. There's your 'insurgents.' Mission acomplished...10 years of very profitable 'insurgency.'

Well the figures I quoted were from the UN for whatever that's worth. They did say though that 40% of the middle classes had fled and many wouldn't return so that may be the info that you were tapping into but your figures are on the excessive side. I'm not defending US policy there but remember that a fair portion of the insurgents are foreign Islamists.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:26:44 PM   
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really surprising how many [insert derogatory phrase here] actually are

Your use of abusive language disqualifies you as a discussion partner. I suppose that you can fool the Mods by phrasing your insults this way, but there are those among us whom you cannot fool.

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RE: 9/11 threat from al Qaeda operative intercepted, of... - 9/10/2011 6:27:50 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or
"Once again you missed the point completely."

No, the point is that 3,000 ain't shit. Five times that number die from medical errors every month. What's missing is the drama. It was a kick in the balls to the world's bully, who now is crying FOR TEN FUCKING YEARS !

If anyone cared they would scrutinize the hospitals, not the airports. Your fucking doctor is more of a threat than Bin Laden ever was.

You are still missing the point but regardless of that 3,000 in one day is a pretty big shit actually. As far as I can tell it represents the single biggest terrorist attack on a state in one day. I doubt the figure from medical errors is true as that would represent 180,000 a year or 493 a day. Even so terrorist violence is more significant as it represents deliberate killing for political reasons. That is why death in this fashion is more significant politically than deaths on roads etc.

A difficult question but it should be asked considering your comment about it being a kick in the balls to a bully: Do you think 9/11 was a legitimate morally justified attack?

On all counts and on all levels...9/11 was as immoral as the world can get and in no way can it be justified.

However the real reason people get a little blase is because if one looks at the big picture, the world suffers the death of an estimated 37,000 children everyday from very preventable diseases.

That must be morally justified as it continues...everyday.


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