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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/11/2011 5:53:35 PM

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"Why do republicans want to undertax America"

So when old folks like Pops goes to the VA nursing home,they won`t be there.

Keep a couple sleeping bags handy,pops.One to sleep in while you wash your pee out of the other.

Owner, why would I *want* to end up in a V.A. Hospital? Things get that bad you just take a ride down to the beach with a bottle of whiskey and a .38 snubnose.
You and Fargle are making the same mistake, you're assuming that government is your "friend" but they're not.
They are our employees who are out of control.

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/11/2011 7:01:40 PM

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"Why do republicans want to undertax America"

So when old folks like Pops goes to the VA nursing home,they won`t be there.

Keep a couple sleeping bags handy,pops.One to sleep in while you wash your pee out of the other.

Owner, why would I *want* to end up in a V.A. Hospital? Things get that bad you just take a ride down to the beach with a bottle of whiskey and a .38 snubnose.
You and Fargle are making the same mistake, you're assuming that government is your "friend" but they're not.
They are our employees who are out of control.

You may get an illness(god forbid) and lose all that mad money you got,pops and have no other choice.

Ask me if I`m surprised you don`t care about the other, less fortunite vets?

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/11/2011 7:21:15 PM

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thats why he is an independent
he is selfish
*not suggesting all independants are selfish, just in this particular case*

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/11/2011 8:42:50 PM

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"Why do republicans want to undertax America"

So when old folks like Pops goes to the VA nursing home,they won`t be there.

Keep a couple sleeping bags handy,pops.One to sleep in while you wash your pee out of the other.

Owner, why would I *want* to end up in a V.A. Hospital? Things get that bad you just take a ride down to the beach with a bottle of whiskey and a .38 snubnose.
You and Fargle are making the same mistake, you're assuming that government is your "friend" but they're not.
They are our employees who are out of control.

You may get an illness(god forbid) and lose all that mad money you got,pops and have no other choice.

Ask me if I`m surprised you don`t care about the other, less fortunite vets?

Owner, where in this site did I ever say that I don't care for other less fortunate Veterans?
This govt. needs less money because they're doing way more than they should be doing.

You and Fargle seem to be saying that "govt" should be involved in all aspects of our lives? Why?
I don't want them involved in most of the stuff they're doing now! Look at how they've fucked up securing our border and the fact that there are 25 million illegal aliens in this country! And you want to give them even *more money?*

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 1:59:19 AM

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popeye 1250
You and Fargle seem to be saying that "govt" should be involved in all aspects of our lives? Why?
I don't want them involved in most of the stuff they're doing now! Look at how they've fucked up securing our border and the fact that there are 25 million illegal aliens in this country! And you want to give them even *more money?*

This sounds so confused to me.

Pops seems to be complaining about government intervention in his life. Yet the only example he offers - illegal immigration - doesn't relate to any direct government intervention in his life at all. He whinges about SS benefits allegedly going to the 'illegals' but fails to note how their low wages keep so many American businesses afloat or how those low wages keep the price of foodstuffs in the supermarket lower than if American farmers employed legitimate labour.

I don't know if the US Govt gives 'illegals' money or not. But I hear exactly similar moans here from the same looney Right voices, whinging about how the Aussie Govt allegedly gives money to illegal immigrants. The Aussie Govt doesn't - you don't get benefits here unless you prove lawful residence - the complaints are completely unfounded. The basis for the complaints is mythical, non-existent.

Either way how allegedly giving money to 'illegals' increases the level of government intervention in pops' or any one else's life is about as clear as mud to me. This is prolly my fault - expecting the looney Right to sound informed or rational is more than a tad unrealistic ...... even when the looney Right likes to masquerade as a "moderate independent".

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 2:27:19 AM

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Excuse me, madame. I'm a bit confused by your post.

When you refer to the Looney right, are you referring to my right or your right? I'm actually a bit curious as to how this works in Australia. Do Australian conservatives end up spinning in the opposite direction because of the Coriolis Effect, and thus occupy the left wing?

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 5:53:37 AM

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If that is true, then why did the conservative city I live in vote to increase taxes again? Every election there are tax increases on the ballot and they almost always get voted in. If conservatives always vote against taxes, then why is this happening. Is it possible that you don't know how all conservatives think and are just talking out your ass again? It must really suck to live with all that hate.

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 6:34:20 AM

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You can explain something to that one a dozen times and then the thirteenth time it comes up he will ask to have it explained to him as if he has never heard the explanation before

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They dont,they want the government to stop overspending. Taxes are more than sufficient to fund what the government is supposed to be doing AND pay back for prior overspending. All they have to do is commit to not overspending in the future.[/thread]

Back it up with numbers Willbeur.

But you never do, you just spit things out with no documentation.

You wouldnt read it anyway, and heres proof: everything Ive said is in the Ryan budget and the CBO scoring which Ive referenced in many threads. Youve never read it.

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 7:14:54 AM

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You can explain using misinformation, explain devoid of factuality, explain lacking logic and reason as many times as you want.

You haven't ever had any credible citations with numbers that provide the path you ferverently fantasize about.

He is right to ask the question every time someone blowholes such blithering bullshit.

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 7:23:48 AM

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However, the country is running a steep deficit. By raising those taxes, the deficit is reduced. Hopefully reduced enough to create a surplus. And with hope after that, apply said surplus directly towards the principle on the debt, so that future interest will not have to be paid (thus saving us a few trillion over the life of the debt). Its all a matter of mathematics.

This is incorrect. raising taxes in no way reduces deficit. This is a logical fallacy currently being pushed by the left to trick people into voting democrat.

It seems like many people do not fully understand the relation between taxes and the deficit. I'll try to explain:

Tax revenue collected by the government is how much money the gov't has to spend, a deficit is how much per year the gov't chooses to spend more then this amount of taxes collected that year.

Stating that raising taxes reduces deficits is a false statement. You are leaving out the most important part. If taxes are raised, the govt still has to choose to spend less than the current deficit to reduce the deficit.

Raising taxes in no way guarantees that the gov't will then choose to spend at a lower deficit rate then currently being spent.

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RE: Why do republicans want to undertax America? - 9/12/2011 6:25:12 PM

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When you refer to the Looney right, are you referring to my right or your right? I'm actually a bit curious as to how this works in Australia.

All you need to do is change the adjective GC. Apart from name of the the nation they claim to be defending/saving/"taking back from <insert object of looney Right hatred of your choice here> before it's too late", they're pretty much identical.

Both have a pronounced tendency to wrap themselves in the flags of their nations - that's one way to tell them apart. It's just as easy to change the adjective . You could take any post here from the looney Right, and simply replace 'American/US' with 'Aussie" (or vice versa) and you'd get it right, virtually word-for-word, almost all the time.

The only significant difference is that we tend to pay a lot less attention to the looney Right than appears to be the case in the USA, where looney Right figures and policies seem to have hijacked much of the GOP. I suppose you could say we laugh out loud at our lot much more here - it seems to be far from a laughing matter in the US.

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