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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:20:28 PM

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Sorry, Tazzy. I should have thrown in a few more spaces, or otherewise noted that my second paragraph was in general, rather than a specific reply to you.

Its ok, I understand where you were coming from. Unfortunately, it didnt seem to help. Sorry.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:21:25 PM

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Going off script isn't automatically a screw-up, Tazzy. It's very common, which is why these sites are normally updated from "as prepared" to "as delivered." If the "as delivered" version contains something really stupid, and sites fail to update their content archives, the truth still falls passively down the memory hole.

Now if the thread is going to turn into "Fox lies," I'll repeat my challenge to anyone to top CBS going to air with blatantly forged documents, with something Fox has done. In fact, given that CBS did this on a broadcast network, rather than on a cable/satellite service, I would suggest nothing Fox could ever do in their present form would exceed that crime against journalistic integrity.

The obviously forged emails between Obama and Kenyan President Odinga made up by swift boat liar Jerome Corsi. Which appeared on Fox and Friends. Luckily no one was so stupid to believe anything on Fox and Friends or anything promoted by Corsi.

Some other reecent lies
http://foxnewslies.net/

Thousands more are documented.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:25:23 PM

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Do you deny that the Social Security system is a ponzi scheme? It is the very defenition of a ponzi scheme - look it up.

If you look at it that way, so are insurance companies.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:28:19 PM

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Why so eager to change the subject, Mike? And why would you think for a moment that I care to defend Perry's rhetoric (or even pay much attention to it at this point)?

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:35:02 PM

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The obviously forged emails between Obama and Kenyan President Odinga made up by swift boat liar Jerome Corsi. Which appeared on Fox and Friends. Luckily no one was so stupid to believe anything on Fox and Friends or anything promoted by Corsi.

Some other reecent lies
http://foxnewslies.net/

Thousands more are documented.

Ken, that is so pathetic, I'm going to give you another chance. You want to put chat show like "Fox and Friends" into the ring with the anchor of the evening network newscast? Maybe a comparison to "The View."

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:38:10 PM

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Rich I think I lost you somewhere along the way...my reference to Perry was a direct response to the idiot sanity...and not an attempt to change the subject of my discussion with you.I had neither desire nor need to change "our" discussion.As a matter of fact,unless I missed it(I'll go back and look) I am still wondering how you can compare the CBS Rathergate episode with Fox's persistent and institutional slanting and distorting?

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 2:40:19 PM

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Nope,I checked and you still haven't answered my question.....so no,I am not changing the question...merely waiting for an answer

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 3:25:00 PM

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The obviously forged emails between Obama and Kenyan President Odinga made up by swift boat liar Jerome Corsi. Which appeared on Fox and Friends. Luckily no one was so stupid to believe anything on Fox and Friends or anything promoted by Corsi.

Some other reecent lies
http://foxnewslies.net/

Thousands more are documented.

Ken, that is so pathetic, I'm going to give you another chance. You want to put chat show like "Fox and Friends" into the ring with the anchor of the evening network newscast? Maybe a comparison to "The View."

So a handwave. I didn't expect anything more from you. I could easily present thousands of well documented lies never retracted not sapologized for by FNC, many of which were simply excised from their official transcripts when the mainstream press caught them but what would be the point you'd simply ignore them or claim they weren't as bad just like you claimed Whoopi Goldberg comparing Bush to pubic hair was worse then the Swift Boat lies.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 3:32:01 PM

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So a handwave.

Not my fault you went with such a ridiculously flimsy argument. I was going to grab it by the throat, but my hand moved the air, and it drifted away.

Is that really the best you've got?

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 3:35:33 PM

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Is that why all these deranged leftists are charging me like so many rabid chihuahuas today? Because of the Limbaugh quote in my tagline?

At first I though it must have been the full moon...

Yes mike, Social Security is a ponzi scheme. And why couldnt someone get elected for speaking such a simple and basic truth. Are you on the cusp of admitting what everyone knows, that the news media has been a propaganda machine for the far left for as long as anyone can remember?

No one in their right mind denies that Social Security is going broke. So why not have a rational discussion as to why? The mentality of the status quo though is to ignore the eight hundred pound gorilla in the room, and simply try to kick the can on down the road. This gorilla is getting hungry though, and the left has never had its pet any where near tame or trained...

And the old folks, theyre not stupid. They heard Perry say that no one on Social Security would lose their Social Security, and they know full well that the program is going broke. And everyone can see that conservatives are the only ones who are willing to discuss the problem rationally, without resorting to these empty ad hominems that those of you on the far left are so proud of

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ROFLMAO...do you deny that any candidate stupid enough to characterize Social Security as a ponzi scheme has a snowballs chance in hell of being elected President of The United States of America
By the way my insane friend Social Security is not ,and never has been the "very definition" of a ponzi scheme.There is nothing underhanded or criminal about the program....everything about it is open to public scrutiny ...in other words there is no scheme.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 3:36:49 PM

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So a handwave.

Not my fault you went with such a ridiculously flimsy argument. I was going to grab it by the throat, but my hand moved the air, and it drifted away.

Is that really the best you've got?

It was exactly the same thing. Forged documents attacking a sitting President. How much more on point could it have been?

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:03:32 PM

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So a handwave.

Not my fault you went with such a ridiculously flimsy argument. I was going to grab it by the throat, but my hand moved the air, and it drifted away.

Is that really the best you've got?

It was exactly the same thing. Forged documents attacking a sitting President. How much more on point could it have been?

Hmmm... Let's see... could it be that you are comparing the coverage of a morning cable chat show to the national evening news, a story about a story, to an exclusive report from the CBS news division, and that you are blithely obtuse to what you said yourself about "Fox and Friends" in terms of the credibility of the sources you wish to compare?

It's a very high bar, Ken. Fox is cable, CBS is broadcast. Nobody at Fox has anything like the stature that came with the chair Rather occupied.

But hey, go for it. Your contortions are fun to watch.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:06:22 PM

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so yuo are denying fox because cbs did worse??
wow that sounds to me like ...they did it first mentality,
dont you HATE that?

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:26:16 PM

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so you are denying fox because cbs did worse??

Not at all, Lucy. There is a significant matter of scale, though, the credibility given the program to begin with, and the sourcing of the story, in the coverage.

Nothing anybody digs up from an openly biased cable channel is going to compare to that story on a national broadcast network. You'd need something like a fraudulent, front page story about Pres. Obama in the WSJ, that ran in the weeks before the Presidential election. Rathergate was that big.

edit to correct your typo.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:26:17 PM

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Do you deny that the Social Security system is a ponzi scheme? It is the very defenition of a ponzi scheme - look it up.

No, it isnt the very definition of a Ponzi scheme, simply because of the power to tax. In a Ponzi scheme there will eventually be a "last investor" who will get screwed because there is no one else to pay him back for the money that was used to pay prior investors. The last investor may be reached because of a limited market or because losses get so big that new investors can't be found fast enough to pay earlier investors who call in their investments and they blow the whistle (the Madoff situation).

In Social Security there is no "last investor" as long as there is an economy to tax. It is simply a pay as you go benefit, similar to many corporate pension plans pre-ERISA, and many non-qualified pension plans today.

A NQ plan is essentially a loan to the company, the participant defers his compensation to fund some other company operation, and as long as the company survives and generates enough cash flow to pay the benefits, he will be paid back. In the NQ plan case there is risk to the participant, but he is well aware of that risk. Social Security taxes are more akin to a loan to the SS system, not an investment.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:34:42 PM

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so you are denying fox because cbs did worse??

Not at all, Lucy. There is a significant matter of scale, though, the credibility given the program to begin with, and the sourcing of the story, in the coverage.

Nothing anybody digs up from an openly biased cable channel is going to compare to that story on a national broadcast network. You'd need something like a fraudulent, front page story about Pres. Obama in the WSJ, that ran in the weeks before the Presidential election. Rathergate was that big.

edit to correct your typo.

LMAO picky picky, but thanks, I dont get it Rich, what fox does, to me is fucking atrocious, I didnt go thru the "Rathergate" situation so Im not gonna denigrate it, but..it obviously resonated with you big time.
But as you are the only person I have heard use it recently against the fox lie machine... I thought I would ask your reasoning,
thanks:)
I dont agree with you but appreciate the decent response

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 4:38:05 PM

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Okay Rich you asked why I was changing the subject,when I wasn't ....and yet you still haven't answered my question....what's up?In case it simply slipped your mind allow me to repeat it.
You are comparing an incident which led to the firing of the producer,the end of a long and distinguished career at CBS by Rather with the persistent slanting and outright lies of Fox?
How does that work? CBS when shown to be in error apologized ,careers were ended.....Fox is unrepentant and ongoing.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 5:01:18 PM

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So a handwave.

Not my fault you went with such a ridiculously flimsy argument. I was going to grab it by the throat, but my hand moved the air, and it drifted away.

Is that really the best you've got?

It was exactly the same thing. Forged documents attacking a sitting President. How much more on point could it have been?

Hmmm... Let's see... could it be that you are comparing the coverage of a morning cable chat show to the national evening news, a story about a story, to an exclusive report from the CBS news division, and that you are blithely obtuse to what you said yourself about "Fox and Friends" in terms of the credibility of the sources you wish to compare?

It's a very high bar, Ken. Fox is cable, CBS is broadcast. Nobody at Fox has anything like the stature that came with the chair Rather occupied.

But hey, go for it. Your contortions are fun to watch.

So we're back to your weird ability to discern that pubic hair jokes are worse than making up lies about a hero's military service. I knew I shouldn't expect any more from you.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 5:17:35 PM

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As other posters on here have stated, we all make mistakes.

President Obama erroneously attributed the origins of the Republican party to Lincoln. The founding of that party was over 150 years ago. So, Obama messed up on his history. That's a far less egregious error than the one made by then presidential candidate George W. Bush, who didn't even know the name of the leader of one of the United State's staunchest allies and neighbours, not to mention his lack of geographical knowledge. Quote from Bush referencing Canada: "our most important neighbour to the north of us". Uhm...what other neighbours are to the north of you? Oh yeah, I forgot...St. Pierre et Miquelon. A group of islands no bigger than the gum on the bottom of your shoe. :D Although technically, St. Pierre et Miquelon is north-east of the USA, but why quibble? I'm sure Mr. Bush was considering them as part of his neighbours to the north. *glee*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KwEDgpSWxo

Just in case anyone reading this is as knowledgeable as Mr. Bush was about his neighbours to the north, the Canadian Prime Minister at that time was Jean Chrétien, not Jean Poutine. Poutine is this.

Now I know your point is the PBS "altered" the transcript, but big woo. It wasn't exactly the huge blunder you're making it out to be when "altering" would have implied something much more significant.

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RE: PBS alters transcript to hide Obama gaffe - 9/10/2011 5:59:00 PM

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President Obama erroneously attributed the origins of the Republican party to Lincoln. The founding of that party was over 150 years ago. So, Obama messed up on his history.

What did you have to say about Palin's Paul Revere "gaffe" (disregarding that it can actually be interpreted to be correct)? Just curious.

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